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legendary
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June 12, 2014, 06:43:05 AM
Tends to happen with all market leaders.
Toyota is the world's largest car manufacturer today, yet they didn't start till the 1930's.
But maybe the tautology was tongue in cheek Tongue
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June 12, 2014, 06:26:31 AM
2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?
Did you not read the post above yours - XC mixer is flawed - hard link is proven
I know Chaeplin has lamented that he wishes his English was better (but hey he probably speaks more languages than myself).. So it's not clear to me what was proven.
But since you believe it has been proven can you explain it to us.

Remembering Albert Einsteins words.   "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

I'm starting to like you now. Hehe
legendary
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June 12, 2014, 06:18:55 AM
Thank you AlexGR
legendary
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June 12, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?
Did you not read the post above yours - XC mixer is flawed - hard link is proven
I know Chaeplin has lamented that he wishes his English was better (but hey he probably speaks more languages than myself).. So it's not clear to me what was proven.
But since you believe it has been proven can you explain it to us.

Remembering Albert Einsteins words.   "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
legendary
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June 12, 2014, 06:11:05 AM
I wanted to do a comparison between DRK and XC, and I invite input from anyone.
It seems that DRK has an advantage in that it preceded XC and gained a significant following before XC appeared. However after that I'm not sure how it is better.

1. DRK relies on Masternodes.    With XC each wallet can act as a node.  Better for XC?

DRK "relies" on masternodes, XC "relies" on xnodes... Branding differences. Given that most people open their wallet to transact and then close it, or have their PC off, dedicated hardware is better for network reliability. However there is nothing preventing one from running a masternode on their laptop.

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2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?

DRK has encrypted transactions as a planned feature since January.

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3. Both coins have talented developers, but XC 's developer has important business experience too, which may help in gaining widespread adoption...?

Adoption for cryptocurrencies in general is problematic. It will take years - and I'm not talking about 2-3-5-10 merchants accepting DRK or XC. We are talking about tens of thousands of merchants doing so. The attention span of most people in cryptoland is too short for waiting so long.

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4. It is claimed that XC is building an entire platform ? Is DRK doing this or seeing it as important?

The potential to provide network services that are paid for them, is a DRK concept. The difference being that XC is a PoS coin and as such cannot pay with block generation, so it'll have to do it with fees.

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5. The name Darkcoin is very different in it's connotations to XC 11 coin. Will Darkcoins name possibly impede it's progress?

People said that since the beginning... It's working great so far and the global media love it for portraying it as the darker brother of bitcoin or something. I think the name is a definite hit.

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6. DRK presently trades much bigger volume and is on at least one bigger important exchange

7. XC is a lot cheaper.

Tends to happen with all market leaders.
hero member
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June 12, 2014, 05:55:37 AM
2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?



Did you not read the post above yours - XC mixer is flawed - hard link is proven

did someone get the 100 XC then? who? where?
hero member
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June 12, 2014, 05:42:25 AM
1. DRK relies on Masternodes.    With XC each wallet can act as a node.  Better for XC?

Every bitcoin clone relies on dedicated nodes.
legendary
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June 12, 2014, 05:41:16 AM
2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?



Did you not read the post above yours - XC mixer is flawed - hard link is proven
legendary
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June 12, 2014, 05:29:03 AM
I wanted to do a comparison between DRK and XC, and I invite input from anyone.
It seems that DRK has an advantage in that it preceded XC and gained a significant following before XC appeared. However after that I'm not sure how it is better.

1. DRK relies on Masternodes.    With XC each wallet can act as a node.  Better for XC?

2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?

3. Both coins have talented developers, but XC 's developer has important business experience too, which may help in gaining widespread adoption...?

4. It is claimed that XC is building an entire platform ? Is DRK doing this or seeing it as important?

5. The name Darkcoin is very different in it's connotations to XC 11 coin. Will Darkcoins name possibly impede it's progress?

6. DRK presently trades much bigger volume and is on at least one bigger important exchange

7. XC is a lot cheaper.

I welcome discussion and am happy to be proved wrong if I have got any facts wrong
sr. member
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June 12, 2014, 04:49:38 AM
Ref:




Code:
Hash7337f03cc1d0b726d1fb8b0b9e66bc6cc796853379b75d7dd193e6d5e9c33c4f
Appeared inX11Coin 28533 (2014-06-11 13:25:09)
Number of inputs2 (Jump to inputs)
Total in10
Number of outputs1 (Jump to outputs)
Total out9.99999
Size345 bytes
Fee0.00001
Raw transaction

Inputs

Index Previous output Amount From address ScriptSig
0 235b7cba7a...:1 8.329413 XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb 73:3046...e501 33:03f5...9f33
1 2b46b1f30d...:1 1.670587 XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb 72:3045...3501 33:03f5...9f33
Outputs

Index Redeemed at input Amount To address ScriptPubKey
0 Not yet redeemed 9.99999 XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D DUP HASH160 20:788b...2bb6 EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG



* block : 28533
* from mixer XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb to XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D : 9.99999



* Search through pattern
Code:
user@sv2:~/x11coin> ./run.py 28500 28590
* ====> Working block height 28527 has 8 tx
* ====> Searchng XTiH1AgxVoFYLuLamAzRLGbvoAYyxhZJV1
tx: 2 percent 94 value 0.006
*===> block reached
* ====> Working block height 28527 has 8 tx
* ====> Searchng XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb
tx: 2 percent 94 value 0.006
*===> block reached

* ====> Working block height 28531 has 4 tx
* ====> Searchng XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa
tx: 2 percent 100 value 10.0
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28533 : diff : 2
*===> XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D 9.99999 link is : XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa <----> XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb

* ====> Working block height 28587 has 5 tx
* ====> Searchng XUZvnU6MrxH49AVaSKwsXJMsyPoicrP6g2
tx: 2 percent 100 value 0.15
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28590 : diff : 3
*===> XE3dFcdQ6aH81J6viKraZwauMk9zcP4Ehz 0.14999 link is : XUZvnU6MrxH49AVaSKwsXJMsyPoicrP6g2 <----> XMDDFuadQFGas9Zn8nTMVFFGz9hUc7Jteo




Possible candidate in 28531

Code:
Hash7315a0968d1aa71e01031583446625bde7189bee1642d3c85737a537d7480778
Previous Blockc2ef588b1680c5498151345eacc4a3c363d77d802aff45674a597c3bdbfac00f
Next Block7e5eeaeecda5745b32be824e5da54a9a95b5b350126a216bf5499c0f6e5fa2c9
Height28531
Version4
Transaction Merkle Roote9c293aa46b5f2bc684349e6b4accbbb196f36b04742e26d2df53811a2a9fdfd
Time1402492966 (2014-06-11 13:22:46)
Difficulty0.000 (Bits: 1e047c41)
Cumulative Difficulty11 973 042.889
Nonce0
Transactions4
Value out2070.657277
Transaction Fees-1.62137
Average Coin Age9.27782 days
Coin-days Destroyed17767.243184
Cumulative Coin-days Destroyed62.9868%

Transactions

Transaction Fee Size (kB) From (amount) To (amount)
c6d0da399b... 0 0.077 Generation: 1.62137 + -1.62137 total fees Unknown: 0
dcd8718986... -1.62139 0.258 XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 1993.671236
Unknown: 0
XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 997.64
XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 997.652626
2c3d8fcfa4... 0.00001 0.229 XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R: 40.99999
XGn7mdvRKy6LYYdejMYsxx8mCocdyuSXmf: 34.364681
XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa: 6.635299
633fe22002... 0.00001 0.23 XGn7mdvRKy6LYYdejMYsxx8mCocdyuSXmf: 34.364681
XZ2zsBE5oqTciM5bkWtPajqqjQKHNv8Cip: 30.99997
XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa: 3.364701

* multiple tx pattern to same destination


* address never used before 28531
* input value matched.



from address XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R to mixer XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa.


* coin flow :
BLOCK 28531
from address XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R to mixer XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa
-->
BLOCK 28533
* from mixer XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb to XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D

: SENDER : XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R
: MIXER INPUT : XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa / never used before
: MIXER OUTPUT : XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb
: PAYEE : XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D


If outputs of address XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa and XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb are
spent as an input for a transaction, Mixer identified.
Link from wallet B to wallet C is identified


As XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa is nerver used before, check XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa's tx.


http://cryptexplorer.com/address/XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa
Code:

Transaction Block Approx. Time Amount Balance Currency
2c3d8fcfa4... 28531 2014-06-11 13:22:46 6.635299 6.635299 XC
633fe22002... 28531 2014-06-11 13:22:46 3.364701 10 XC
0d227a1fcf... 28540 2014-06-11 13:39:49 0.003 10.003 XC
07957c70d0... 28555 2014-06-11 14:03:57 0.001 10.004 XC
dd438f2fbd... 28645 2014-06-11 17:06:04 (0.003) 10.001 XC
fe5ad7f573... 28645 2014-06-11 17:06:04 (0.001) 10 XC
36e6e4f1bb... 28646 2014-06-11 17:08:27 (3.364701) 6.635299 XC
d24770a89a... 28653 2014-06-11 17:20:52 (6.635299) 0 XC
8e708043fa... 28847 2014-06-11 22:52:01 0.0001 0.0001 XC

Block 28645 has hard link.

http://cryptexplorer.com/block/4255ac4c5e93fa1769f58312d76338779229424538357dc4cf00a07fc1aafb74








* Hard Link is real.


sr. member
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June 12, 2014, 04:26:59 AM
its funny how you keep switching threads when the arguments you give are made senseless by the dev, you just start over here.. Smiley

Either way, it's not relevant anymore, V2 of XC will have even better full anonymity. Don't waste your time on downtalking something that is continuously being improved.

There will be a big bounty in 2 week when V2 is finished, and hopefully we attract some serious people that have a critical and constructive look at the technology

Never improved Grin
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June 12, 2014, 03:51:18 AM
its funny how you keep switching threads when the arguments you give are made senseless by the dev, you just start over here.. Smiley

Either way, it's not relevant anymore, V2 of XC will have even better full anonymity. Don't waste your time on downtalking something that is continuously being improved.

There will be a big bounty in 2 week when V2 is finished, and hopefully we attract some serious people that have a critical and constructive look at the technology
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 08:23:05 PM
Ref:

Dev read this.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7259577

You have to fix something.


no, those transactions were set after I revealed the address details

in attempt to FUD the system

**edit**

the only thing I see is that you searched a block for any value that equals 2.2

Links are appear.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7261379
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7261411

Should be fixed.
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 08:03:14 PM
ref:

ver. XCv0.9.1.41x11-coin-1.0

sendfrommixer "1" XH2xAiXB2H6tXSraubgfxWHKRUJR8rWdHm 0.1

Its my mintpal deposit adress and that is working i have now 0.09999 at my mintpal deposit.
I have searched a direct link to this transaction but i cant find one with my user perspective.
Xnode has been paid for but its not mine i'm curious to know what is the xnode that has been paid for this transaction.

Nice work ATCsecure !



!!

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?95279.htm
Code:

Hash a57d4def3d08fe7753a77f8ac05b7a757105d72dcf0f33dd6aafd910a51a0ed0
Blockheight 28315 (142 confirmations)
Date/Time 2014-06-11 03:16:37
Total Output 16.372583 XC
Fee 0.0 XC

 
Inputs / Outputs
Raw Transaction
Inputs
Index Previous output Address Amount
0 40f01abd6d11...:0 XHaUgNe5rZ6Avf7bwXGBCWdxD5nCxqAxVo 16.382583 XC
Outputs
Index Redeemed in Address Amount
0 Not yet redeemed XWtcrjseXhMBDBvGPfwXq3SVKhdv7qiLcG 16.310359 XC
1 Not yet redeemed XSroWK3bng8awEdZs5eZXUqXgyn4RPr7cG 0.062224 XC

-->
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?93622.htm
Code:
Hash 40f01abd6d11e15a0d722c1419a31358d7b399d5e9a4f3d742959122462a03d6
Blockheight 27754 (703 confirmations)
Date/Time 2014-06-09 19:43:38
Total Output 16.45 XC
Fee 0.0 XC

 
Inputs / Outputs
Raw Transaction
Inputs
Index Previous output Address Amount
0 afe2802947d5...:1 XEuKHQieqYF2xJQ73m92GsY6nkiRjToE9R 16.46 XC
Outputs
Index Redeemed in Address Amount
0 a57d4def3d08... XHaUgNe5rZ6Avf7bwXGBCWdxD5nCxqAxVo 16.382583 XC
1 Not yet redeemed XHx9XtGvaN5kbzfjpEqgSy4pjw6aU6vjae 0.067417 XC

-->
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?93120.htm
Code:
Hash afe2802947d5737695fd90c6fab5061fdb2a75fd8fe2bbf2be34b74f0925d093
Blockheight 27557 (900 confirmations)
Date/Time 2014-06-09 10:10:06
Total Output 32.928647 XC
Proof of Stake + Fees 0.028647 XC

 
Inputs / Outputs
Raw Transaction
Inputs
Index Previous output Address Amount
0 9ff63a3e7c94...:1 XEuKHQieqYF2xJQ73m92GsY6nkiRjToE9R 32.9 XC
Outputs
Index Redeemed in Address Amount
0 40f01abd6d11... XEuKHQieqYF2xJQ73m92GsY6nkiRjToE9R 16.46 XC
1 44f76163aca2... XEuKHQieqYF2xJQ73m92GsY6nkiRjToE9R 16.468647 XC



Block 28315 to 28320
Code:
* ====> Working block height 28315 has 12 tx
* ====> Searchng XSroWK3bng8awEdZs5eZXUqXgyn4RPr7cG
tx: 2 percent 100 value 0.1
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28320 : diff : 5
*===> XH2xAiXB2H6tXSraubgfxWHKRUJR8rWdHm 0.09999 link is : XSroWK3bng8awEdZs5eZXUqXgyn4RPr7cG <----> XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC

LINK : http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?95679.htm BLOCK 28460

Code:
Details for Transaction
Hash 9026a3920f2f91983f448b5d5789e1413ec7fc77d2eb74da3c9a951d16228332
Blockheight 28460 (431 confirmations)
Date/Time 2014-06-11 12:11:23
Total Output 6.048076 XC
Fee 2,E-5.0 XC

 
Inputs / Outputs
Raw Transaction
Inputs
Index Previous output Address Amount
0 fc32a52d05e8...:1 XCYKD4UDBAwdSePgW7tfNyBtxLXQzQ2y8p 0.001429 XC
1 05b2f027a8e0...:1 XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC 0.00002 XC
2 45f0ca0cdc8c...:1 XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC 0.00002 XC
3 d7f735ddc6f6...:1 XKLGYgnbnhTNmA25y97MMy3JnULoME6DhA 0.002811 XC
4 4c539a33adb3...:1 XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC 0.00002 XC
5 ee8c8637ef6a...:1 XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC 0.00002 XC
6 3dd4c6f4142d...:2 XSjLtzrRRquusicuUfFMvFbkBJzYe5mHEk 0.003 XC
7 0a17a0ab48af...:0 XSroWK3bng8awEdZs5eZXUqXgyn4RPr7cG 0.003 XC
8 8c5e2b1532af...:1 XRV24U9rqSj2zexsj9vHTEyagGAHzyssGh 3.0 XC
9 b8758cba5977...:1 XRV24U9rqSj2zexsj9vHTEyagGAHzyssGh 3.0 XC
10 936f1b732a43...:1 XSroWK3bng8awEdZs5eZXUqXgyn4RPr7cG 0.037776 XC
Outputs
Index Redeemed in Address Amount
0 7534a7809955... XJptWzwxrgEC1WLhZ4r1LnEPQPZiWm7Hn9 0.010001 XC
1 Not yet redeemed XBPMEncv8HzCqvjxdF6SbbfpvB4pTC24Da 6.038075 XC
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 06:44:32 PM
Active spamming.

Code:
user@sv2:~/x11coin> ./who.py 28617
* ====> Working block height 28617 has 10 tx
* ====> Searchng XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb
tx: 7 percent 95 value 2.2
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28618 : diff : 1
*===> XV49MnmtTirtZSQ2jtgisvNhNr6DduzCNu 2.19999 link is : XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb <----> XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC

x11coind sendmany 123 '{"XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb": 0.0001, "XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC":0.0001}'

user@sv2:~/x11coin> x11coind sendmany 123 '{"XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb": 0.0001, "XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC":0.0001}'
0a50c8b4408aec0b6acdae11dbd9d88ce4b67092a55cf634ff3cde9d48089784
legendary
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June 11, 2014, 06:43:51 PM
all these challenge craps is just nonsense when you don't get the solid answer or question. do real challenge and put answer somewhere with TIME STAMP, perhaps youtube video then reveal the video/answer at specific time. if no video or answer with time stamp this mean the code still crackable and if the answer/video reveal then chance the answer is wrong. I never see real solid challenge or answer, all i see is craps throwing arounds. if you have confidence with your coding please do real challenge, upload answer somewhere with time stamp with reputative sites, like youtube or flickr etc..
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
chaeplin's point is that the user is depositing i XC into a new unspent output, which is not moved. Then sometime later but not excessively far in the future i pops out at some other address. He says that this is a link and is correct. The dev wants a physical path to follow when there isn't technically one, yet there is still a path. You just have some patience and some scripting experience.

That is what I gathered, anyway.

Didn't Chaeplin just send those amounts to both addresses after ATC revealed them?

Yup.

Chaeplin couldn't solve ATC'c challenges.

I mean... ya after both sender and receiver's address has been revealed... then he go and make some fake transactions and now he says it's linked..
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June 11, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
chaeplin's point is that the user is depositing i XC into a new unspent output, which is not moved. Then sometime later but not excessively far in the future i pops out at some other address. He says that this is a link and is correct. The dev wants a physical path to follow when there isn't technically one, yet there is still a path. You just have some patience and some scripting experience.

That is what I gathered, anyway.

Didn't Chaeplin just send those amounts to both addresses after ATC revealed them?

Yup.

Chaeplin couldn't solve ATC'c challenges.
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June 11, 2014, 06:31:21 PM
chaeplin's point is that the user is depositing i XC into a new unspent output, which is not moved. Then sometime later but not excessively far in the future i pops out at some other address. He says that this is a link and is correct. The dev wants a physical path to follow when there isn't technically one, yet there is still a path. You just have some patience and some scripting experience.

That is what I gathered, anyway.

Didn't Chaeplin just send those amounts to both addresses after ATC revealed them?
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