That's all the info I have for you guys to work with. When NatMcoy shows up, I think he may be the one to be able to piece this all together. Quite happy to do all it takes to secure this wallet in the hands of the Feds.
Let me know what's next.
Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Hardfork block 1042000 - Merge Mine w/BTC! - page 166. (Read 1047085 times)
April 14, 2016, 01:20:15 AM
April 14, 2016, 01:01:44 AM
I have a lot of free time this afternoon.
Here, FallingKnife has been diligently posting the size of the wallets:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/42647-uno-distribution-and-rich-list/?p=200893
For a "cold wallet", it sure changes addresses a lot. Here's a summary going back a few months:
2 November Wallet was uz2bsheM...32115
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4 November: My two withdrawls, see here:
(https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?uMcVndP51FosFnzUF2zyzp85aokUEZJoQe.htm)
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November 15, Wallet was ufRoo5Ja...28291
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(I also made a withdrawl on the 15th of November of 869.04)
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10 December Wallet was uf9vy5md...21052
12 December Wallet was uY8Efd21...19543
21 December Wallet was uU9uNDWD...17912
31 December Wallet was uXejN8Wn...17659
7 January Wallet was udH9uJcT...15842
16 January Wallet was ucVxMWGd...15072
13 March Wallet was ucVxMWGd...15072
11 April Wallet was uWCVvkiy...15200 (This must be the Bittrex Wallet)
Here, FallingKnife has been diligently posting the size of the wallets:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/42647-uno-distribution-and-rich-list/?p=200893
For a "cold wallet", it sure changes addresses a lot. Here's a summary going back a few months:
2 November Wallet was uz2bsheM...32115
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4 November: My two withdrawls, see here:
(https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?uMcVndP51FosFnzUF2zyzp85aokUEZJoQe.htm)
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November 15, Wallet was ufRoo5Ja...28291
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(I also made a withdrawl on the 15th of November of 869.04)
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10 December Wallet was uf9vy5md...21052
12 December Wallet was uY8Efd21...19543
21 December Wallet was uU9uNDWD...17912
31 December Wallet was uXejN8Wn...17659
7 January Wallet was udH9uJcT...15842
16 January Wallet was ucVxMWGd...15072
13 March Wallet was ucVxMWGd...15072
11 April Wallet was uWCVvkiy...15200 (This must be the Bittrex Wallet)
April 14, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
And this is where it went: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?uZHgDCJPuBdnkRT1QNEzD6zHw52P6PCzMg.htm
So URAN is from a long time ago. Is this last address a Bittrex wallet?
So URAN is from a long time ago. Is this last address a Bittrex wallet?
April 14, 2016, 12:32:52 AM
On Cryptsy, it's pretty much all buy orders for Uno. Virtually no sellers.
I don't think there is even 2 btc on the entire buy side of Uno, all the way down to 1555 sats. People don't want to trade Uno for Btc on Cryptsy right now.
The sell side is also thinning out. There is now just under 700 Un for sale beneath 0.006 btc.
To buy the entire visible book up to .011 would cost 20 btc and yield 1907 Un.
It makes me wonder about the 17,659.0 UNO, 8.98 % of supply, that is visible in the Cryptsy cold wallet at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?202172.htm
Why are those coins still there, given the 3 months of problems?
They are not for sale (by virtue of the thin sell side).
The owners don't seem to be accumulating more Uno on Cryptsy (by virtue of there simply being no buy orders).
I am unaware of any reported withdrawal problems for Uno.
It seems irrational to me that the cold wallet is still so large, and that nothing is happening with those coins. But these things are usually rational, in retrospect...
Speculating on some possible scenarios for the Uno Cryptsy cold wallet:
Owners are simply uniformed about Cryptsy's situation
Owners are not concerned about what's going on
Cryptsy is the owner of much of the cold wallet
Owners are anticipating an even higher price by keeping the sell side thin
All we know for certain is that there is a lot of Uno still in a wallet that Cryptsy controls.
Anyway, it is interesting to watch this play out.
The Uno rich list at this moment, for the record:
In the past 8 weeks, the size of the cold wallet has nearly halved. 16k Un has been withdrawn.
I don't think there is even 2 btc on the entire buy side of Uno, all the way down to 1555 sats. People don't want to trade Uno for Btc on Cryptsy right now.
The sell side is also thinning out. There is now just under 700 Un for sale beneath 0.006 btc.
To buy the entire visible book up to .011 would cost 20 btc and yield 1907 Un.
It makes me wonder about the 17,659.0 UNO, 8.98 % of supply, that is visible in the Cryptsy cold wallet at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?202172.htm
Why are those coins still there, given the 3 months of problems?
They are not for sale (by virtue of the thin sell side).
The owners don't seem to be accumulating more Uno on Cryptsy (by virtue of there simply being no buy orders).
I am unaware of any reported withdrawal problems for Uno.
It seems irrational to me that the cold wallet is still so large, and that nothing is happening with those coins. But these things are usually rational, in retrospect...
Speculating on some possible scenarios for the Uno Cryptsy cold wallet:
Owners are simply uniformed about Cryptsy's situation
Owners are not concerned about what's going on
Cryptsy is the owner of much of the cold wallet
Owners are anticipating an even higher price by keeping the sell side thin
All we know for certain is that there is a lot of Uno still in a wallet that Cryptsy controls.
Anyway, it is interesting to watch this play out.
The Uno rich list at this moment, for the record:
In the past 8 weeks, the size of the cold wallet has nearly halved. 16k Un has been withdrawn.
This was the Cryptsy cold wallet as of January: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/address.dws?202172.htm
Filled in December, emptied in January.
April 14, 2016, 12:27:19 AM
You're exactly right about how it works F.K. As I posted back on page 567, this is the Cryptsy 'hotter' wallet: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/wallet.dws?20615.htm
I think it's entirely possible that somebody at Cryptsy is arbitraging the markets. If you were able to withdraw bitcoin from Cryptsy, were having money troubles, and saw all these altcoin markets with a guaranteed profit per trade, wouldn't you arbitrage?
It may be someone with balls of unobtanium though, it's hard to know. We could track the Bittrex distribution closely on a daily basis, if you see most of the accounts remaining stagnant with one that moves up and down according to the trade action on Bittrex & Cryptsy, that could be a good indicator of insider arbitrage.
I think it's entirely possible that somebody at Cryptsy is arbitraging the markets. If you were able to withdraw bitcoin from Cryptsy, were having money troubles, and saw all these altcoin markets with a guaranteed profit per trade, wouldn't you arbitrage?
It may be someone with balls of unobtanium though, it's hard to know. We could track the Bittrex distribution closely on a daily basis, if you see most of the accounts remaining stagnant with one that moves up and down according to the trade action on Bittrex & Cryptsy, that could be a good indicator of insider arbitrage.
Possibly of relevence for the researchers.
April 14, 2016, 12:15:42 AM
Hello guys & gals,
Would you like to help stick it to Big Vern? This is your chance.
I spoke again with the Cryptsy conservator today. He explained that the current status of the UNO wallet that was stolen from Cryptsy is that it is frozen by Bittrex. I've been asked to provide reasonable proof connecting the Bittrex wallet to Cryptsy. Bittrex understandably needs to cover themselves from a business & liability perspective. They didn't ask for stolen UNO to be sent to Bittrex, and have cooprated by freezing the wallet. Yet, it is reasonable that they have asked the conservator for some help to trace the funds. Obviously, Bittrex doesn't watch the rockchain as closely as we do, and the conservator has no prior experience with UNO whatsoever, so we were asked to provide some help. I think we can do this. (and no, I'm not getting paid for any of this).
Did you escape Cryptsy with UNO in the final days? I am looking for Cryptsy withdrawal transactions that can be traced directly to the big Cryptsy Cold Wallet.
Here is what would be helpful:
1) Transaction ID of your latest and largest withdrawals from Cryptsy that may have moved the Cold Wallet. I'll take anything at this point. Something from January would be great, but if you pulled out 2k UNO from Cryptsy in 2014, I'll be glad to work with that.
2) This is a bonus: you still control the wallet that received the UNO from Cryptsy, and ideally you have the ability to sign a message from the wallet.
3) Super bonus: you would be ok identifying yourself to the conservator who is trying to recover the Cryptsy wallet, perhaps making a statement that you did indeed trigger that transaction which moved the Cryptsy cold wallet.
I'll be happy with #1, but #2 & #3 would clinch it. If you PM me the transaction, I will keep it confidential. If you feel comfortable posting the info here, then go ahead do that so everyone in the world can also sleuth the rockchain, but just know that you will be revealing your wallet.
Would you like to help stick it to Big Vern? This is your chance.
I spoke again with the Cryptsy conservator today. He explained that the current status of the UNO wallet that was stolen from Cryptsy is that it is frozen by Bittrex. I've been asked to provide reasonable proof connecting the Bittrex wallet to Cryptsy. Bittrex understandably needs to cover themselves from a business & liability perspective. They didn't ask for stolen UNO to be sent to Bittrex, and have cooprated by freezing the wallet. Yet, it is reasonable that they have asked the conservator for some help to trace the funds. Obviously, Bittrex doesn't watch the rockchain as closely as we do, and the conservator has no prior experience with UNO whatsoever, so we were asked to provide some help. I think we can do this. (and no, I'm not getting paid for any of this).
Did you escape Cryptsy with UNO in the final days? I am looking for Cryptsy withdrawal transactions that can be traced directly to the big Cryptsy Cold Wallet.
Here is what would be helpful:
1) Transaction ID of your latest and largest withdrawals from Cryptsy that may have moved the Cold Wallet. I'll take anything at this point. Something from January would be great, but if you pulled out 2k UNO from Cryptsy in 2014, I'll be glad to work with that.
2) This is a bonus: you still control the wallet that received the UNO from Cryptsy, and ideally you have the ability to sign a message from the wallet.
3) Super bonus: you would be ok identifying yourself to the conservator who is trying to recover the Cryptsy wallet, perhaps making a statement that you did indeed trigger that transaction which moved the Cryptsy cold wallet.
I'll be happy with #1, but #2 & #3 would clinch it. If you PM me the transaction, I will keep it confidential. If you feel comfortable posting the info here, then go ahead do that so everyone in the world can also sleuth the rockchain, but just know that you will be revealing your wallet.
So,
1). If that transaction from November 2015 I have provided helps, (it was in 2 succesive transactions, my wallet doesn't allow transactions larger than 999 kg for some reason), then Bob is our Uncle.
2) I still own and control that wallet. Somebody will have to tell me how to "sign" a transaction.
3) I'm American. Have no problem identifying myself to the conservator (I've already emailed him once, and published the contents here).
So let me know if you can trace that transaction back to URAN and let me know how to sign a statement from that wallet.
April 13, 2016, 11:46:35 PM
1,180 coins removed from Cryptsy, HELL YA, Rock on mystery withdrawer!
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?685980.htm
From 16.37% of total coins to 15.76%. Let's take it below 15% in November!
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?685980.htm
From 16.37% of total coins to 15.76%. Let's take it below 15% in November!
Actually, 1904.
uMcVndP51FosFnzUF2zyzp85aokUEZJoQe
Amazing what happens when basic infrastructure like Mac wallets just work.
Nice Gekko!
Make it 2,062
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?686006.htm
It's below 30,000 now, 15.22% of total.
@FK: Here are two transactions from November 4 and blockchain references. This is from page 551 of this thread. The uMcVnd wallet was and still is mine.
Further, on 15 December, NatMcoy was doing some sort of blockchain research. This was during the time that there was an arb between the Cryptsy price and everyone else, since UNO was one of the only coins that was freeflowing when Cryptsy turned most wallet withdrawls off. He requested some transactions at that time, which I provided him. However I was mostly buying on Bittrex, and selling on Cryptsy at that time. When I was done, I exited Cryptsy completely with Doge, as it was a better deal.
So I'm thinking that NatMcoy may have already done some of this Bangladeshi tracing work.
You fucking rock!
@BitcoinNational: re:
URan
UHid
UFukdup
April 13, 2016, 11:14:57 PM
Why is Sallah not actually hiring Bryce to take those cryptsy-harddrives and history on them apart? All the info Sallah could ever ask for is already at his disposal. He aparently just needs help processing it.
April 13, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
https://twitter.com/cryptsy/status/719773151098327040
Tweet by Cryptsy reads: "Internet & wallet server physical location has been given to the receivership representative. Bittrex held funds information was also given."
I'm so confused.
"Bittrex held funds" implies that the recent movements were not meant to be underhanded. Given how brazen they were I would be inclined to believe that if it weren't for the immediate selling of UNO once the transaction got the necessary confirmations.
Tweet by Cryptsy reads: "Internet & wallet server physical location has been given to the receivership representative. Bittrex held funds information was also given."
I'm so confused.
"Bittrex held funds" implies that the recent movements were not meant to be underhanded. Given how brazen they were I would be inclined to believe that if it weren't for the immediate selling of UNO once the transaction got the necessary confirmations.
Thats new. The servers are at Digital Ocean. So what. Did he provide the passwords to the servers and coin wallets along with the "server location"? Thats the big question.
Giving up the physical location of the servers is hardly cooperation.
Lets deprive him of his UNO wallet, and then help put his ass in jail for stealing frozen funds from a court. The UNO community may be the only people who can do this. We can prove that wallet originated at Cryptsy, and then Bittrex can prove that he began to liquidate that wallet. Then we wait.
this needs repeated:
"stealing frozen funds from a court" = prison
in crypto you can:
- Steal $millions in LTC, BTC, Doge, Ripple, Dash from your clients and likely get away with it.
- Claim a 'hacker' did it, file for bankruptcy, legally CYA, but Karma might still be a mean bitch to deal with.
But moving funds explicitly against a court order, that is grand theft, and you never steal from the government because they absolutely loathe competition.
URan
UHid
UFukdup
April 13, 2016, 10:58:19 PM
1,180 coins removed from Cryptsy, HELL YA, Rock on mystery withdrawer!
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?685980.htm
From 16.37% of total coins to 15.76%. Let's take it below 15% in November!
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?685980.htm
From 16.37% of total coins to 15.76%. Let's take it below 15% in November!
Actually, 1904.
uMcVndP51FosFnzUF2zyzp85aokUEZJoQe
Amazing what happens when basic infrastructure like Mac wallets just work.
Nice Gekko!
Make it 2,062
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/uno/block.dws?686006.htm
It's below 30,000 now, 15.22% of total.
@FK: Here are two transactions from November 4 and blockchain references. This is from page 551 of this thread. The uMcVnd wallet was and still is mine.
Further, on 15 December, NatMcoy was doing some sort of blockchain research. This was during the time that there was an arb between the Cryptsy price and everyone else, since UNO was one of the only coins that was freeflowing when Cryptsy turned most wallet withdrawls off. He requested some transactions at that time, which I provided him. However I was mostly buying on Bittrex, and selling on Cryptsy at that time. When I was done, I exited Cryptsy completely with Doge, as it was a better deal.
So I'm thinking that NatMcoy may have already done some of this Bangladeshi tracing work.
April 13, 2016, 10:35:02 PM
Also as said above the blockexplorer creates confusion by mislabeling all of bittrex as cryptsy now.
As always we're sourrounded by total amateurs on all sides
As always we're sourrounded by total amateurs on all sides
April 13, 2016, 10:17:27 PM
Uran-wallet to be cryptsy-wallet is easy to prove by how it was created. It was a big transaction drawing from many hotwallets, same day as the aledged "hack" occured.
So you can produce prove also with old, old deposits to cryptsy as the uran-wallet should be tainted with all the old desposits of a lot of people. Basically anyone can produce tons of prove. I'd think anyone in here could trace coins from his old, old wallets to uran in taint-analysis?
It would go two way - input and output.
You guys should basically all be able to trace from your old wallets to your old personal cryptsy-deposit-adress to Uran-wallet. The receiver should have the info on what your old deposit-adresses on cryptsy were. So all he needs to produce bullet-prove proof is just a few people signing with their old wallets. Mr. Sallah should actually not even need our help as he should have all the data on the cryptsy-computers. He should know all your adresses and everything else if he's in posession of Verns old hardware. Even if it was deleted it can be brought back.
Mr. Sallah can already produce the prove himself if he has the cryptsy-hardware with deposits and witdrawal history on them. Just sayin'! Why is he even asking for aditional info? He has all of that and then some! All the info we could provide, he has already in his posession or am i missing something?
Man, Sallah should even have the privatekeys to sign the bloody Uran-wallet himself!
In fact he has so much info that i could send him some dust from a change-adress and he should be able to tell me all my wallets, my name, my adress, my IPs, the name of my mother and the cause of death of my grandgrandfather. He should even be able to call my doctor or old classmates if he puts some work behind it.
Mr. Sallah in theory should sit on an overwhelming mountain of info.
So you can produce prove also with old, old deposits to cryptsy as the uran-wallet should be tainted with all the old desposits of a lot of people. Basically anyone can produce tons of prove. I'd think anyone in here could trace coins from his old, old wallets to uran in taint-analysis?
It would go two way - input and output.
You guys should basically all be able to trace from your old wallets to your old personal cryptsy-deposit-adress to Uran-wallet. The receiver should have the info on what your old deposit-adresses on cryptsy were. So all he needs to produce bullet-prove proof is just a few people signing with their old wallets. Mr. Sallah should actually not even need our help as he should have all the data on the cryptsy-computers. He should know all your adresses and everything else if he's in posession of Verns old hardware. Even if it was deleted it can be brought back.
Mr. Sallah can already produce the prove himself if he has the cryptsy-hardware with deposits and witdrawal history on them. Just sayin'! Why is he even asking for aditional info? He has all of that and then some! All the info we could provide, he has already in his posession or am i missing something?
Man, Sallah should even have the privatekeys to sign the bloody Uran-wallet himself!
In fact he has so much info that i could send him some dust from a change-adress and he should be able to tell me all my wallets, my name, my adress, my IPs, the name of my mother and the cause of death of my grandgrandfather. He should even be able to call my doctor or old classmates if he puts some work behind it.
Mr. Sallah in theory should sit on an overwhelming mountain of info.
April 13, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
I don't remember Crypto.id having the Cryptsy mega-wallet labelled, but now every Bittrex address is flagged as part of the "Cryptsy cold wallet."
Maybe that is their subtle way of saying, "Yes Bittrex, that address belonged to Cryptsy."
I messaged Fairglu and he labeled the Cryptsy wallet at Bittrex for us, just to help keep it straight. Despite being at Bittrex now thanks to Paul Vernon's theft attempt, it is still the Cryptsy Cold wallet.Maybe that is their subtle way of saying, "Yes Bittrex, that address belonged to Cryptsy."
The very first Cryptsy cold wallet was uRAN4dj3yG8n93obakUHT8siVQap47bHrN , which just by happy coincidence appeared the same day as the alleged Cryptsy "hack" that Vernon reported. I posted on that earlier.
Every time Cryptsy had to tap the cold wallet, they rolled all the coins to a new address. There is a path in the blockchain that starts at uRAN and runs all the way to the Bittrex wallet. It's just a pain in the ass to map it out with the manual tools we have (i/e an annoyed guy in Bangladesh).
For those who have watched the UNO blockchain closely for 2 years, there is absolutely NO question that the Cryptsy cold wallet was sent to Bittrex. Zero. But for court, we need to make a reasonable case. We're closing in on that.
April 13, 2016, 06:46:32 PM
I don't remember Crypto.id having the Cryptsy mega-wallet labelled, but now every Bittrex address is flagged as part of the "Cryptsy cold wallet."
Maybe that is their subtle way of saying, "Yes Bittrex, that address belonged to Cryptsy."
Maybe that is their subtle way of saying, "Yes Bittrex, that address belonged to Cryptsy."
April 13, 2016, 06:36:00 PM
It's funny how all of this Unobtanium>Bittrex hubbub caused them to tweet for the first time in nearly 3 months. Apparently they haven't completely abandoned the situation, they still feel some need to defend themselves & ease people's nerves.
I'm not too sure how eased peoples' nerves are by that Tweet. Who really controls the Twitter account?
Tips are already coming in. Just got a direct "Cryptsy to Bittrex" withdrawal along the cold wallet transaction chain. Thanks much to the tipper. This should make it easier for Bittrex. Still looking for more UNO withdrawals from Cryptsy. Anything from January would be heaven.
April 13, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
It's funny how all of this Unobtanium>Bittrex hubbub caused them to tweet for the first time in nearly 3 months. Apparently they haven't completely abandoned the situation, they still feel some need to defend themselves & ease people's nerves.
I'm not too sure how eased peoples' nerves are by that Tweet. Who really controls the Twitter account?
April 13, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
Now I'm pissed. If I have to I will fucking hire a guy in Bangledesh to do nothing but trace every transaction in the uRan wallet to Bittrex. I bet he could do it in a week. This is personal when you screw with my Unobtanium. WHEN BigVern is finally brought up on criminal charges, we will have the proof ready, just waiting for him.
April 13, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
Haha, so that tweet could just mean, "Our encrypted servers are in Belize & we admit that yesterday we sent 15,000 UNO to Bittrex. Now leave us alone."
It's funny how all of this Unobtanium>Bittrex hubbub caused them to tweet for the first time in nearly 3 months. Apparently they haven't completely abandoned the situation, they still feel some need to defend themselves & ease people's nerves.
Edit: I just realized that is the same Cryptsy twitter account that as of a few days ago was named "Big Vern" & had a Picture of Paul's face.
It's funny how all of this Unobtanium>Bittrex hubbub caused them to tweet for the first time in nearly 3 months. Apparently they haven't completely abandoned the situation, they still feel some need to defend themselves & ease people's nerves.
Edit: I just realized that is the same Cryptsy twitter account that as of a few days ago was named "Big Vern" & had a Picture of Paul's face.
April 13, 2016, 06:19:08 PM
https://twitter.com/cryptsy/status/719773151098327040
Tweet by Cryptsy reads: "Internet & wallet server physical location has been given to the receivership representative. Bittrex held funds information was also given."
I'm so confused.
"Bittrex held funds" implies that the recent movements were not meant to be underhanded. Given how brazen they were I would be inclined to believe that if it weren't for the immediate selling of UNO once the transaction got the necessary confirmations.
Tweet by Cryptsy reads: "Internet & wallet server physical location has been given to the receivership representative. Bittrex held funds information was also given."
I'm so confused.
"Bittrex held funds" implies that the recent movements were not meant to be underhanded. Given how brazen they were I would be inclined to believe that if it weren't for the immediate selling of UNO once the transaction got the necessary confirmations.
Thats new. The servers are at Digital Ocean. So what. Did he provide the passwords to the servers and coin wallets along with the "server location"? Thats the big question.
Giving up the physical location of the servers is hardly cooperation.
Lets deprive him of his UNO wallet, and then help put his ass in jail for stealing frozen funds from a court. The UNO community may be the only people who can do this. We can prove that wallet originated at Cryptsy, and then Bittrex can prove that he began to liquidate that wallet. Then we wait.
April 13, 2016, 06:15:08 PM
Seriously though, I don't think a lone TxID would prove anything.
If we know that you withdrew from Cryptsy to an address that you control, that the transaction originated on the transaction chain between the uRAN wallet and the Bittrex wallet, that should be reasonable proof that Cryptsy ultimately controlled the wallet. I am not an attorney, but I play one on Bitcointalk. This is not a criminal case, it's civil, which has a lower standard of proof.
I'll have more to share soon, but if anyone has withdrawal transactions they can share with me, we can stick it to Big Vern in a big way.
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