Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Hardfork block 1042000 - Merge Mine w/BTC! - page 305. (Read 1047075 times)

I do not agree.  It is not just another altcoin, it is the testnet for UNO. If the UNO testnet becomes heavily mined or traded in its own right its value as a test environment is compromised.

If what was wanted was an altcoin that looked like UNO then one should have been created - uno2 or whatever and that could have had exactly the same characteristics as UNO.

Further, I would argue that the only people mining Proto are those that would have been mining UNO so it is siy cannibalising UNO hashrate. However, given that merge mining is in  place that probably won't have a serious impact.

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We also have a low liquidity score, but that's just due to low volume and shouldn't necessarily be something we want to increase. If UNO is considered a commodity worthy of holding, low volume relative to the market cap is just fine.

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Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin.

Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it.

You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do.
If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node.
As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it.

You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment.

EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000
3 TH/s on testnet.

https://www.bitgo.com/api/v1/tx/26d80a02ebdd9886b5a859c69c3470b2150488324e31f309d7981f575662a726   <<< confirmed it is blockchain.info derping about again. satoshi's coins haven't moved.

blockchain.info has been hacked (probably).... It was showing Satoshi's block 1 coins move but all other explorers say it's not true...

yes not talking peg a product to UNO
word association linking a product to UNO

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bitcoin breaking?
took 2 hours to mint 1 block?
https://insight.bitpay.com/block/00000000000000000b960bb9ef694c8df73e0565a73f3282c6c71a0e353d99f2

blockchain.info way off, not sure what is going on.

FYI that version still won't open on my mac.  probably not compatible with current versions of OSX.

pnoch's "Unobtanium Core version v0.10.0.0-gf8e2039-preMM (64-bit)" works great though

Try deleting peers.dat and re-opening the wallet, should synch at that point.

I works fine with these settings

"Association" as marketing tactic? Yup!

Not peg.

Peg? No.

'a s s o c i a t i o n'

re: case use of UNO

This is always a constant question raised by newb investors / investigators.

First, once you have a deeper understanding of what is UNO, then you get a sense of the case use but it does not translate well for a 30 sec pitch.  You have to capture nano-attention spans.  So the nuts and bolts stuff is on another level.  Those investors are already here or circling in on UNO already.

So what's the case use?

I say stick with PMs.  Many here already like PMs and hold.  We have a beta tested program.  Also there was also a rare gemstone mentioned in a thread.  Perhaps something like that.  We offer a specific rare an expensive product as the case use.

Hold your horses

I am not suggesting it is the one and only product in the inventor.  Once your lured into the uno-verse, then you start to crack open the value of being attached to the hash rate power and tech support of btcNET, the rarity, the fair distro, the mature core community, and other things.  

But what would be the one product people can instantly associate UNO with?
Like Amber coin is associated with amber.  
Nucoin is associated with one u$d.  
Archcoin is associated with some boat thing.
etc.

We've toyed with this idea for awhile, but I am putting on the table that we need to be marketing a simple tag line by Feb 2016 ...

"Uno = XXX"

*It has to be something real and tangible.

here's my idea: mini-sized gold coins in sacks

" I think I recall discussing how to use the jswallet offline with IMZ ( if you are really nuts about security)."

It wasn't actually me, S.; and I am embarrassingly far behind you guys; but I have come a long long way, and am keen to keep making progress.

And 'being nuts about security' is gonna be a saleable product.

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Yes, it produces entropy randomly via mouse movements. I think I recall discussing how to use the jswallet offline with IMZ ( if you are really nuts about security).

This: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-bitcoin-address-with-a-ti-89-calculator
and
This: http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html

High quality links, thanks.

It's a very serious problem in some implementations. An attacker doesn't even need the network for these attacks, just a local copy of the blockchain and a phrase source. The attack can be performed off-line on fast machines, clusters, etc... Most guidance is to never use a brainwallet unless the characters or phase is generated with proper entropy. The general paperwallet method (mouse movement) is considered safe by most. jswallet I consider safe because of the way the brainwallet is generated (via mouse movement as well). You could take a large numerated word list and use dice to calculate a brainwallet phrase... I believe that's similar to how an Electrum seed is generated (minus the dice, plus /dev/urandom)

@ Cryptapus, gonna look at co-pay, then ask more questions.

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Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/  It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reused-r-values-again-581411.

For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBac

"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."

Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?

Wow!

10 words is probably close, depending on the words. If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems. If they are a meaningless un-ordered phrase you're probably in good shape. Both the paperwallet and brainwallet javascript is altered from the bitcoin version so definitely take advantage of any security questions you google from those.

Copay is pretty neat (thank Bitpay, viva open-source) but it is very beta. I have some concerns that I may need to pull the plug on it in the future so to make it easy on yourself you'll probably only want to store small amounts in it.

Thanks for testing it out!

Well, because they (we) don't have to to ask. It's open source and if I had to wait for some permission before I did anything I wouldn't get anything done...

This Proto thing is a fine HB experiment. If he has the itch I say scratch it. But at the end of the day it's just another altcoin, one with a, what is it now? ~10% premine? I think it was ~block 35000 at release... If that seriously threatens UNO then I guess there are bigger problems... If you assign value to it then that's your prerogative, "live and let live" so to speak...

I will say that the heavy mining of a testnet is usually frowned upon, since there is usually a gentlemen's agreement that test mining can be done with simple hardware, but no coin other than Bitcoin seems to actually use a testnet that I'm aware of so probably no big deal...