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Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative - page 260. (Read 433405 times)

legendary
Activity: 1120
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Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.

What is this more valuable coin ?
member
Activity: 81
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It was only the wind.
hero member
Activity: 1974
Merit: 502
Vave.com - Crypto Casino
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1004
I was just asking. I don't care about the block time and the difficulty because I can use my PC when its mine, and this is one of the advantages of WPX.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 1002
It was only the wind.
Da fuck am I doin wrong?


@echo off
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
sgminer.exe --algorithm whirlpoolx -o stratum+tcp://mine1.vnl.nonce-pool.com:4333 -u zono.zono -p abc -I 19 -g 2 -w 64 --gpu-platform 1 --no-submit-stale --failover-only





wolf0 is there some of your .bins out already?

~500+ MH/s > ~115 MH/s such a damn huge difference

HELP PLS!

Well, let's see. Not reading the README, using --no-submit-stale, not telling us your card type... am I close?

Close enough Smiley
I'm using 280X, "not reading README": guilty...

So I should remove "--no-submit-stale" ?

Of course. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: SGMiner doesn't know if a share is stale. It GUESSES. You have nothing to lose by submitting it, and by not doing so, you won't get paid for it even if it is valid.

I wrote the README for a reason. Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now


Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother Smiley
hero member
Activity: 1974
Merit: 502
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Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 1002
It was only the wind.
Da fuck am I doin wrong?


@echo off
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
sgminer.exe --algorithm whirlpoolx -o stratum+tcp://mine1.vnl.nonce-pool.com:4333 -u zono.zono -p abc -I 19 -g 2 -w 64 --gpu-platform 1 --no-submit-stale --failover-only





wolf0 is there some of your .bins out already?

~500+ MH/s > ~115 MH/s such a damn huge difference

HELP PLS!

Well, let's see. Not reading the README, using --no-submit-stale, not telling us your card type... am I close?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

Saw that ! The coin can multiply his difficulty by 2 and then divide it by 3, in just 3 blocks !

Difficulty is just 1 of the 2 factors that determines the supply, read my last comment.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1004
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

Saw that ! The coin can multiply his difficulty by 2 and then divide it by 3, in just 3 blocks !
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.
hero member
Activity: 1974
Merit: 502
Vave.com - Crypto Casino
Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.
full member
Activity: 134
Merit: 100
Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)


whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...


when you say "original" do you mean this ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10856770

(because this is new "original" for some time now)

Yes, that one. I get 105Mh/s max on R9-270X with it, maybe somebody has better hashrates with it.

ok, i've cleaned and restarted everything including coffee, result:
280x, amd 15.3, w7x64, 1100/1100, -X 4096 -g 2 -w 64, room +24
original - 245MH, new - 80MH.


Did you try -w 256?
I get with -w 64 70MH/s, -w 128 122MH/s, -w 256 150MH/s


legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)



whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...



I'm using an ASUS 270x and tried --xintensity 1024 and 4096 and -w 64 and 256, but neither option helped me to get over 123 MH/s which I got with the original .cl also.

Could you maybe upload your bin file?

Here is my bin file

https://mega.co.nz/#!nlwkBbDZ!400fwacmkXCmiYBFbCr28pFgQE6jwpsGGMEFRWDABY0

I Have installed 14.11.2 Beta driver and in sgminer directory opencl ddls from 15.3 driver

https://mega.co.nz/#!jtwjUIKB!JQsNS4rkTAJEVwtpa8rmjgzbJoZ6pq9gdgSMLebAeIo




Thank you very much, I'll try it out and report back!

Good job mate, I'm on 1024 --xintensity (4096 and 2048 gave me HW-s) and -w 256 and got the 159 MH/s with the 270x. Send me an addy in PM and I'll tip some.

Edit: got HW error with 1024 also with -w 256, trying out some different settings. -w 128 gives 120 MH/s hash so that's not an option.

Edit2: doesn't matter how hard I try, I get HW errors after sometime. Tried every combination of -w -X -g etc (only way to get high hash is with -w 256)

14.12 caralyst with the dlls added to the sgminer

My card doesn't seem to like -w 256.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1004
Why is the difficulty so low ?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1001
180 BPM
Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)



whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...



I'm using an ASUS 270x and tried --xintensity 1024 and 4096 and -w 64 and 256, but neither option helped me to get over 123 MH/s which I got with the original .cl also.

Could you maybe upload your bin file?

Here is my bin file

https://mega.co.nz/#!nlwkBbDZ!400fwacmkXCmiYBFbCr28pFgQE6jwpsGGMEFRWDABY0

I Have installed 14.11.2 Beta driver and in sgminer directory opencl ddls from 15.3 driver

https://mega.co.nz/#!jtwjUIKB!JQsNS4rkTAJEVwtpa8rmjgzbJoZ6pq9gdgSMLebAeIo




Thank you very much, I'll try it out and report back!
full member
Activity: 134
Merit: 100
Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)


whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...


when you say "original" do you mean this ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10856770

(because this is new "original" for some time now)

Yes, that one. I get 105Mh/s max on R9-270X with it, maybe somebody has better hashrates with it.
full member
Activity: 134
Merit: 100
Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)



whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...



I'm using an ASUS 270x and tried --xintensity 1024 and 4096 and -w 64 and 256, but neither option helped me to get over 123 MH/s which I got with the original .cl also.

Could you maybe upload your bin file?

Here is my bin file

https://mega.co.nz/#!nlwkBbDZ!400fwacmkXCmiYBFbCr28pFgQE6jwpsGGMEFRWDABY0

I Have installed 14.11.2 Beta driver and in sgminer directory opencl ddls from 15.3 driver

https://mega.co.nz/#!jtwjUIKB!JQsNS4rkTAJEVwtpa8rmjgzbJoZ6pq9gdgSMLebAeIo


member
Activity: 81
Merit: 1002
It was only the wind.
If you have some easy optimizations to cut/paste and copy into the cl file, that is one thing us non-coders can do, please share. Just because it is easy for you, Wolf, Smolen, or djm38 doesn't mean it can be done by anyone else.

Let me remind old story from early Bitcoin days. Shortly after creation of GPU miners, kernels were optimized almost to the last by top-notch programmers (Kolivas, ArtForz, you name it). Then a newcomer appeared in newbie section and proposed simple single line change overlooked by professionals. And in altcoin (under)world there are much more wasted cycles and broken algorithms, newbies still have a chance to feel a taste of victory.


Quite right. And it's very nice that they can - if you look around, there's so much bad PoW code. There's enough low-hanging fruit to feed an army. So newbies can work at it and make their own progress - nobody loves easy more than me, but nothing worth doing is easy.
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