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Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative - page 38. (Read 433438 times)

hero member
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Any thoughts on where this daily bot manipulation will take us? I'll have BTC on the sideline waiting. But obviously want to hit a bottom before gobbling it all up. We're losing about 1000 sats a week or two. So end of year ~6/7k bottom?

I think it all depends on BTC movements right now, in the opposite direction. I don't think that bots can make something other than small waves on the general trend. To have a big movement we need big real buyers/sellers or manipulators. Otherwise the BTC price will just reflect the current USD price following the trend of past months.
hero member
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Any thoughts on where this daily bot manipulation will take us? I'll have BTC on the sideline waiting. But obviously want to hit a bottom before gobbling it all up. We're losing about 1000 sats a week or two. So end of year ~6/7k bottom?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
 
Quote from: TrueAnon
Just submit legit ID info/bank docs and boom, you're on.

    this a request from TrueAnon  huh?  Huh

     but i do agree we need more exposure

Just to let you guys know that VNL report has close to 1100 hits interest seems to be there but do agree a marketing push sure wouldnt be bad either.

Assuming the majority of those are unique, that's quite good for one article on a site that's not that well known.
hero member
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Quote from: TrueAnon
Just submit legit ID info/bank docs and boom, you're on.

    this a request from TrueAnon  huh?  Huh

     but i do agree we need more exposure

Lol the irony... Hand over your bank info. Anon FTW!
hero member
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Twitter: @bitcoin_dad
 
Quote from: TrueAnon
Just submit legit ID info/bank docs and boom, you're on.

    this a request from TrueAnon  huh?  Huh

     but i do agree we need more exposure

Just to let you guys know that VNL report has close to 1100 hits interest seems to be there but do agree a marketing push sure wouldnt be bad either.
legendary
Activity: 1894
Merit: 1001
  
Quote from: TrueAnon
Just submit legit ID info/bank docs and boom, you're on.

    this a request from TrueAnon  huh?  Huh

     but i do agree we need more exposure
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
Did the dev contact 1ex.trade to get setup as yet?  If not please do so...VNL is lacking major exposure and bittrex is just going to shit, u can see volumes dropping weekly.  With the btc coming into 1ex soon and more alts being added after mid-Dec. it should see some nice volume.  Not to mention to pnd crap.   Dev or community lead just sign up, submit a ticket to support as a "dev to have their coin added".  Just submit legit ID info/bank docs and boom, you're on.
sr. member
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No TX Fees #JustRaiBlocks

Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity.

Sorry, the whirlpool xor algorithm is maxed out (optimisation-wise) on public GPU and FPGA implementations. The only way to hash faster is to build an ASIC device. I still have never met anybody with "free" electricity, they either pay for it or steal it. Cool

Thank you for your support.

True, no one has free electricity. But many people have .03c/kwh, and that is almost as good as free to most people who pay .15c/kwh like me.


In some countries you can rent a house all in (for example Netherlands,Belgium) That means you pay your rent with gas,electricity, water included. They do not know you have a huge mining rig which costs a lot more electricity than the "normal" electricity bill, but you dont have to pay because it's all in. A lot of my friends have this!

I'm convinced Vanilla will have a completely higher price in a couple of months, nobody can ignore this great features. I do not understand why people don't see bitcoin is too slow. Sometimes if price grows, network gets overloaded, it takes sometimes half a day to get your coins. It's ZEROTIME that's innovation. Good luck guys
legendary
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Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity.

Sorry, the whirlpool xor algorithm is maxed out (optimisation-wise) on public GPU and FPGA implementations. The only way to hash faster is to build an ASIC device. I still have never met anybody with "free" electricity, they either pay for it or steal it. Cool

Thank you for your support.

True, no one has free electricity. But many people have .03c/kwh, and that is almost as good as free to most people who pay .15c/kwh like me.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
@kryptographer

Thanks guys. Just trying to provide more information to the crypto community in general, the grades are still being tweaked since was my first review need to still work both angles good and bad or what might be lacking from the coin reviewed.

Appreciate the feedback

Wow great job donnyespo! It's a really good summary detailing the impartant fundamental points regarding VNL. I appreciate the analysis and I agreee it's one of the top altcoins.
hero member
Activity: 827
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Twitter: @bitcoin_dad

Thanks guys. Just trying to provide more information to the crypto community in general, the grades are still being tweaked since was my first review need to still work both angles good and bad or what might be lacking from the coin reviewed.

Appreciate the feedback
full member
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86%, not bad. If bitcoin proved anything, internet currency is useful and people are using it. VNL is quite possibly the best internet e-cash.  Smiley
legendary
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180 BPM

Good article and on-point with the positive aspects of VNL Smiley
legendary
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Peaky Blinder
sr. member
Activity: 596
Merit: 251

Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity.

Sorry, the whirlpool xor algorithm is maxed out (optimisation-wise) on public GPU and FPGA implementations. The only way to hash faster is to build an ASIC device. I still have never met anybody with "free" electricity, they either pay for it or steal it. Cool

Thank you for your support.
sr. member
Activity: 596
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For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
It is reduced every 50K blocks. I don't see a problem but I do know that time is in favor of the strong hands. Cool

Thank you for your support.
sr. member
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either one of the two.
If you understand the code well enough you could possibly write something to output ip and public key of a incentivised node by building a network crawler although it would have to obey the consensus rules (purchase 10000 VNL) to do so. This only applies to incentivised nodes and people that are supporting the network in this way understand this transparency is unavoidable since Proof-of-Collateral is required.

Not to bash Dash but they claim they are for privacy and anonymity yet publicly list ip, port, wallet address, last payment, etc on their website for about 3.5 million dollars (as of this posting). Even if they did not do this Dash has no encryption on it's connections so anybody ISP, Gov, Phone Company, Satellite, etc can just sniff this off the wire and find out which persons own how much of the 3.5 million dollars.

You can smell Vanilla but not sniff it. Cool

Thank you for your support.
hero member
Activity: 690
Merit: 500
Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

Thank you for your support.

imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating

ya there's a war, but miners are investors too.
why would miners 'dump' at the current prices? is this serious?

i don't think there are large # of fpga rigs out there, a dozen or 2 maybe,  (guessing) and maybe with their higher efficiency, those using them can sell profitably, but gpu miners are most likely holding, as the equation is not profitable. i run one r9-280x, gets me 10 vnl/day, or $0.3770928. with electricity at ~$0.20/kwh, it's at least $0.50/day + internet to keep the software running

Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity. In this case it is profitable. I doubt that big farm owners will hold any coins - the risks are too high.

It's not a war, it's a normal altcoin market scenario after/between pumps. Also the recent BTC rally played its role.
legendary
Activity: 1894
Merit: 1001
Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

Thank you for your support.

imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating

ya there's a war, but miners are investors too.
why would miners 'dump' at the current prices? is this serious?

i don't think there are large # of fpga rigs out there, a dozen or 2 maybe,  (guessing) and maybe with their higher efficiency, those using them can sell profitably, but gpu miners are most likely holding, as the equation is not profitable. i run one r9-280x, gets me 10 vnl/day, or $0.3770928. with electricity at ~$0.20/kwh, it's at least $0.50/day + internet to keep the software running
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1028
#mitandopelomundo
Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

Thank you for your support.

imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating
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