seems that the current pump on btc is going for a ponzi scheme promoted on poor countries by a famous russian scammer.
believe it or not
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115425/btcc-ceo-bobby-lee-warns-bitcoin-investors-about-mmm-ponzi-scheme
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/mmm-global-republic-of-bitcoin-cryptos-next-scandal
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-breaks-260-to-hit-two-month-high/
http://beta.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/russian-fraudster-hits-s-africans-1911289
last night this ponzi scheme came to china and the price difference between huobi and bitfinex reached $30
Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative - page 56. (Read 433438 times)
October 30, 2015, 07:03:19 AM
October 30, 2015, 06:45:20 AM
I think this coin was hyped and pumped too early. Really you guys that worked so hard hyping the coin are at fault now for the low price.
VanillaCoin is legit, and the dev is legit. The guy seems to be constantly working to improve and add features and all I see here is arguing and despair.
If you dont like how it's going then dump and move on, it's that simple.
VanillaCoin is legit, and the dev is legit. The guy seems to be constantly working to improve and add features and all I see here is arguing and despair.
If you dont like how it's going then dump and move on, it's that simple.
Yeah seriously. Some people don't like the situation that they risked getting into when buying into a coin, then start throwing their toys out the pram. Just STFU and sell or hold, nobody gives a shit what price you bought in at.
October 30, 2015, 06:36:31 AM
Inb4 John announces he's Satoshi
my money on Satoshi's prodigy son
October 30, 2015, 05:40:13 AM
Inb4 John announces he's Satoshi
October 30, 2015, 04:44:35 AM
The way I see it, PR and development should go hand in hand...
Unless your product is still in the development phase and isn't sold in stores yet, PR is a crucial factor for the future succes of your product.
IF VNL wasn't trading already on Poloniex and Trex, I could agree with the fact that PR should come later.
BUT, VNL is a product sold in stores, thus needs PR, even though it is still in the development phase.
VNL can be an awesome succes, but I think, as with all succesfull companies, VNL needs a PR department.
John is the most awesome developer out there, but the worst PR person I could think of.
The only way I can find a logic in that behaviour is to artificially keep the price down during develoment phase.
This could be a dangerous strategy though and it will be hard to change peoples perspective towards VNl in the future.
I'm not saying we should hype VNL to death, but some healthy, honest PR wouldn't do us wrong for sure...
Just my two cents...
Regards
Goldmaxx
Unless your product is still in the development phase and isn't sold in stores yet, PR is a crucial factor for the future succes of your product.
IF VNL wasn't trading already on Poloniex and Trex, I could agree with the fact that PR should come later.
BUT, VNL is a product sold in stores, thus needs PR, even though it is still in the development phase.
VNL can be an awesome succes, but I think, as with all succesfull companies, VNL needs a PR department.
John is the most awesome developer out there, but the worst PR person I could think of.
The only way I can find a logic in that behaviour is to artificially keep the price down during develoment phase.
This could be a dangerous strategy though and it will be hard to change peoples perspective towards VNl in the future.
I'm not saying we should hype VNL to death, but some healthy, honest PR wouldn't do us wrong for sure...
Just my two cents...
Regards
Goldmaxx
+1
This is what we need constructive, honest conversation.
@traumschiff
You should stop freaking out when anyone is trying to say something or get an answer (except lies).
October 30, 2015, 04:22:20 AM
The way I see it, PR and development should go hand in hand...
Unless your product is still in the development phase and isn't sold in stores yet, PR is a crucial factor for the future succes of your product.
IF VNL wasn't trading already on Poloniex and Trex, I could agree with the fact that PR should come later.
BUT, VNL is a product sold in stores, thus needs PR, even though it is still in the development phase.
VNL can be an awesome succes, but I think, as with all succesfull companies, VNL needs a PR department.
John is the most awesome developer out there, but the worst PR person I could think of.
The only way I can find a logic in that behaviour is to artificially keep the price down during develoment phase.
This could be a dangerous strategy though and it will be hard to change peoples perspective towards VNl in the future.
I'm not saying we should hype VNL to death, but some healthy, honest PR wouldn't do us wrong for sure...
Just my two cents...
Regards
Goldmaxx
Unless your product is still in the development phase and isn't sold in stores yet, PR is a crucial factor for the future succes of your product.
IF VNL wasn't trading already on Poloniex and Trex, I could agree with the fact that PR should come later.
BUT, VNL is a product sold in stores, thus needs PR, even though it is still in the development phase.
VNL can be an awesome succes, but I think, as with all succesfull companies, VNL needs a PR department.
John is the most awesome developer out there, but the worst PR person I could think of.
The only way I can find a logic in that behaviour is to artificially keep the price down during develoment phase.
This could be a dangerous strategy though and it will be hard to change peoples perspective towards VNl in the future.
I'm not saying we should hype VNL to death, but some healthy, honest PR wouldn't do us wrong for sure...
Just my two cents...
Regards
Goldmaxx
October 30, 2015, 04:20:04 AM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on
It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. 
Thank you for your support.
And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
Thank you for your support.
Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.
And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).
Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.
Did you read my last comment? Just asking because you actually suggest again that promotion in itself will help in this market.
It's easy to skip facts and spam the same comment again, right?
Ofcourse it will help. Why other coins can go up? Compare digibyte and vnl websites (it's only example) I follow'em on twitter and I can see they have one main goal: MAKE THEIR COIN TO BE USEFULL IN REAL.
Promotion will bring us more and more community members what is necessary (I think it's most important).
October 30, 2015, 04:03:28 AM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on
It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Thank you for your support.
And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
Thank you for your support.
Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.
And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).
Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.
Did you read my last comment? Just asking because you actually suggest again that promotion in itself will help in this market.
It's easy to skip facts and spam the same comment again, right?
October 30, 2015, 03:50:06 AM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on
It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Thank you for your support.
And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
Thank you for your support.
Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.
And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).
Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.
October 30, 2015, 03:47:33 AM
John may be a good developer but his prediction of markets just plain sucks. Since when is Bitcoin's price based on miners?
since no one is buying? (current pump not withstanding)
i've accumulated millions of alts since i started mining/trading a couple of years ago. what are they worth now? approximately what it cost to make them ...
October 30, 2015, 03:38:17 AM
John may be a good developer but his prediction of markets just plain sucks. Since when is Bitcoin's price based on miners?
October 30, 2015, 02:36:47 AM
Tells us the price from future
October 30, 2015, 01:43:27 AM
what if told u you're not the only one from the future John
October 29, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
where is dump to 5k 
You missed 5K 7 months ago. There is no going back now without a delorean. Thank you for your support.
October 29, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on
It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Thank you for your support.
And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
Thank you for your support.
October 29, 2015, 04:52:38 PM
I kind of agree with the hype-theory.
We had a lot of millitant members throw rocks at the hornets nest (XMR, DASH, BTC core devs) way too early and they tore strips off of VNL.
There were at least 5 threads being created per day about trying to double spend ZT and premature code reviews. Of course those communities were ready because they've been fighting shitclones for a few years now.
Remember - Icebreaker and Smooth were policing this thread and throwing every bit of FUD at their disposal. I hope you people are mature enough to see through that, and realise how desperate those individuals became to shut us down. And like magic now, nowhere to be seen. Yet the coin is just getting better.
More time is needed.
We had a lot of millitant members throw rocks at the hornets nest (XMR, DASH, BTC core devs) way too early and they tore strips off of VNL.
There were at least 5 threads being created per day about trying to double spend ZT and premature code reviews. Of course those communities were ready because they've been fighting shitclones for a few years now.
Remember - Icebreaker and Smooth were policing this thread and throwing every bit of FUD at their disposal. I hope you people are mature enough to see through that, and realise how desperate those individuals became to shut us down. And like magic now, nowhere to be seen. Yet the coin is just getting better.
More time is needed.
October 29, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
October 29, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
there is almost zero hype, that has to be one of the less hyped coin ever considering the features, but well as you wish, it's a matter of perception i guess 
where is dump to 5k
where is dump to 5k
October 29, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
Just doesn't mean because you don't love this situation you'll need to sell absolutly ! Did you trade with emotion ?
I only own a few of these coins, so I have no emotional attachment to VNL.
I just come here to read the thread from time to time and gather info about the project, and noticed all the upset and finger pointing about the price drop.
VNL is an interesting coin and was doing very well right up until all the hyping started.
Once you unhappy crowd dump all your bags and move on, then the coin will rebound.
But if you stay, please stop with all the hype. Intelligent people can and will find this project if its worthwhile.
October 29, 2015, 01:52:42 PM
Just doesn't mean because you don't love this situation you'll need to sell absolutly ! Did you trade with emotion ?
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