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What do multiple indictments do for the indicted? They make them more popular, and they waste their time. But they often, easily backfire on those doing the indicting.

The below article shows that the Deep State is scraping the bottom of the barrel for ideas on how to  get rid of Trump without actually assassinating him. How does doing this work? It makes some people back off with supporting Trump, because they think he has already won.

If you are in favor of Trump, don't stop your support of him, now. Rather, double your support.


CNN Grudgingly Admits 'Very Real Possibility' Trump Could Win in 2024



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/cnn-grudgingly-admits-very-real-possibility-trump-could/
Writer Harry Enten seems surprised that voters don't really care about the never-ending effort of Democrats to investigate, indict and prosecute Trump over the last six years.

Perhaps people are simply looking at what Biden has done with the country and are comparing it to what the country looked like under Trump.

Breitbart News reports:

CNN Warns 'Very Real Possibility' Trump Could Win It All in 2024

There is a "very real possibility" former President Donald Trump could win it all and return to the White House, CNN warned in a Sunday piece, observing the former president is in a "better position to win the general election" now than he was in 2020.

A CNN piece authored by Harry Enten warns the possibility of Trump winning the general election and returning to the White House is "very real," despite the narrative of critics who surmise that the radical left wants Trump to be the nominee– a narrative wholly rejected by many conservatives, particularly in light of the Biden Department of Justice (DOJ) relentlessly targeting the former president and GOP frontrunner…

Despite the continued targeting of trump, CNN observes that "Trump is not only in a historically strong position for a nonincumbent to win the Republican nomination, but he is in a better position to win the general election than at any point during the 2020 cycle and almost at any point during the 2016 cycle." It cites Trump's domination in the polls, as he is garnering majority support in the primary in national and state-level polls.
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Georgia next.

In my opinion, the Georgia case is one of the most serious ones which Trump could be charged with. Not only that we would not be able to pardon himself or convince some Republican president to give him a pardon, it is also one of the cases which have strong evidence to further push it forward.

I don't have any doubt in mind that the famous "I just need 11000 votes, gimme a break" phone call will be played infront of a jury, together with even more damming evidence .

Things are getting interesting...
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Georgia next.
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We've got more charges dropping in a superseding indictment that also names a new third co-defendant, the head of maintenance at Trumps beach club.

I've only skimmed the new stuff but looks like it he wiped or tried to wipe the servers with the security footage that was subpoenaed and showed all the boxes being moved around.
 10 new charges, new lying and obstruction related bringing the total up from 32 to 42.  And his lawyers just met with prosecutors about Trumps plot to steal the election with fake electoral votes so he will probably be indicted tomorrow or next week for something like Conspiracy to defraud the United States or (if Jacks balls are big enough) seditious conspiracy in a whole separate case in Washington DC.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us-v-trump-nauta-de-oliveira-7-27/895d71fac28b2930/full.pdf


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Yep I read about it. They are also indicting by conspiracy some of the personnel that worked for Trump. I do not think that is fair play, but it may be the only way to get to some degree of thruth.

Trump is like an algorithm:
- If someone defies me, I insult.
- If someone says that I have committed a crime, it is a which hunt.
- If someone says I am wrong, is because an agenda.
- If someone says I am lying, it is a partisan issue.

Anyway, I just hope he does not get elected again, it is bad enough to endure a republican agenda without him.

Who likes the Biden team and what they have done to Americans and Ukraine?
- They cause Ukraine to have thousands of her men and boys killed in a war that's being lost.
- The have caused outrageous inflation in America, where people can barely live.
- The have used the US government for their own private gain in the millions.
- The are supporting virus warfare development in Ukraine, China, and around the world.
- They are constantly taking freedoms away from Americans.

But check out all the good things that Trump did - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252.

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We've got more charges dropping in a superseding indictment that also names a new third co-defendant, the head of maintenance at Trumps beach club.

I've only skimmed the new stuff but looks like it he wiped or tried to wipe the servers with the security footage that was subpoenaed and showed all the boxes being moved around.
 10 new charges, new lying and obstruction related bringing the total up from 32 to 42.  And his lawyers just met with prosecutors about Trumps plot to steal the election with fake electoral votes so he will probably be indicted tomorrow or next week for something like Conspiracy to defraud the United States or (if Jacks balls are big enough) seditious conspiracy in a whole separate case in Washington DC.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us-v-trump-nauta-de-oliveira-7-27/895d71fac28b2930/full.pdf




Yep I read about it. They are also indicting by conspiracy some of the personnel that worked for Trump. I do not think that is fair play, but it may be the only way to get to some degree of thruth.

Trump is like an algorithm:
- If someone defies me, I insult.
- If someone says that I have committed a crime, it is a which hunt.
- If someone says I am wrong, is because an agenda.
- If someone says I am lying, it is a partisan issue.

Anyway, I just hope he does not get elected again, it is bad enough to endure a republican agenda without him.
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We've got more charges dropping in a superseding indictment that also names a new third co-defendant, the head of maintenance at Trumps beach club.

I've only skimmed the new stuff but looks like it he wiped or tried to wipe the servers with the security footage that was subpoenaed and showed all the boxes being moved around.
 10 new charges, new lying and obstruction related bringing the total up from 32 to 42.  And his lawyers just met with prosecutors about Trumps plot to steal the election with fake electoral votes so he will probably be indicted tomorrow or next week for something like Conspiracy to defraud the United States or (if Jacks balls are big enough) seditious conspiracy in a whole separate case in Washington DC.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us-v-trump-nauta-de-oliveira-7-27/895d71fac28b2930/full.pdf


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Doesn't matter if they were classified.  Here's the law he's being charged with for the 31 documents he refused to return, attempted to hide, and lied to the government about.


(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

In other words, if you have have government documents about nuclear capabilities of the US and foreign countries, and the government asks you to give them back, then tells you to give them back, then subpoenas you to give them back, you can either give them back or be indicted on federal charges.



Serious question: did you agree with Trump when he said these things:




It is quite ridiculous all the argument about the hearsay when speaking of secret documents, but look, I am not saying Trump is guilty, I am saying that he is being indicted for acts that are actually quite serious and certainly illegal. That is not hearsay, that is the nature of the charges.

Now, if these can be proven or not is a different matter, but this is not about which hunting, is about not being fit for holding an office - in other words, you can do whatever politics you want, but not convert facts in a partisan issue.
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More and more the whole Trump prosecution looks like a political sham, designed to keep Trump out of the White House.


REVEALED: Corrupt DOJ Prosecutor Caught Trying to Bribe Lawyer Redacted Every Reference to Trump Cooperating with Subpoenas



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/revealed-corrupt-doj-prosecutor-caught-trying-bribe-lawyer/
New court documents show that DOJ prosecutor Jay Bratt, an Obamaite-Russiagate-DNC donor, redacted every reference to Trump cooperating with subpoenas.

Recall, Jay Bratt tried to bribe Walt Naut's lawyer Stanley Woodward in order to get his client to testify against Trump.

New court documents show Jay Bratt purposely redacted all references to Trump cooperating with grand jury subpoenas.

Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approved new aspects of the Trump Mar-a-Lago search warrant to be unsealed.

Last August the Biden Justice Department released a highly redacted Trump raid affidavit.

Media organizations asked to unseal the affidavit in support of the search warrant.

Only a redacted version was previously unsealed.

The newly unredacted search warrant affidavit reveals Jay Bratt used dirty tricks to make Trump look uncooperative.

More proof the FBI raid was a political hit job.

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BREAKING: In another sign the Mar-a-Lago raid was political, the DOJ prosecutor who authorized it --DNC donor and Russiagate alum Jay Bratt --blacked out every reference to Trump cooperating with subpoenas from the publicly released search warrant affidavit, new court docs reveal
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Doesn't matter if they were classified.  Here's the law he's being charged with for the 31 documents he refused to return, attempted to hide, and lied to the government about.


(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

In other words, if you have have government documents about nuclear capabilities of the US and foreign countries, and the government asks you to give them back, then tells you to give them back, then subpoenas you to give them back, you can either give them back or be indicted on federal charges.



Serious question: did you agree with Trump when he said these things:




An even more serious point about your serious question: Trump, in his handling of government docs, was doing what he said.

You seem to want to focus on a Trump needle in the Biden haystack of criminality. Trump is attempting to bring down that haystack. And all you can do is focus on something that Trump had the right to do.

So we see. You are against the United States... or at least in favor of being paid off enough that you don't seem to care. Don't you even realize that the Biden criminality that Trump is trying to curtail is destroying more and more of your freedoms all the time? And that even if you are living in a different country?

It is American freedom that is keeping the world free. And MAGA is Trump's process to make America strong so that she can continue to keep the world free.

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EDIT: Almost anything that the Dems do against Trump can be called election interference, and open them up to all kinds of prosecution. Maybe Hunter should run for President, just to protect himself from laptop prosecution - "Election Interference!": Trump Rages, Comer Condemns Hunter Biden's "Slap On The Wrist" Misdemeanor Deal >>> https://zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-plead-guilty-tax-crimes-admit-gun-charge.
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Doesn't matter if they were classified.  Here's the law he's being charged with for the 31 documents he refused to return, attempted to hide, and lied to the government about.


(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

In other words, if you have have government documents about nuclear capabilities of the US and foreign countries, and the government asks you to give them back, then tells you to give them back, then subpoenas you to give them back, you can either give them back or be indicted on federal charges.



Serious question: did you agree with Trump when he said these things:


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^^^ You have read the documents? You have determined that they are top secret and classified? Or are you only listening to hearsay?

Why is your determination greater than the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who declassified these documents his last day in office? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62425530

If you read the documents, and you think they should remain classified, aren't you the real criminal by your own admittance, by voluntarily reading documents that you say are classified? Or show us your top secret clearance.

But if you didn't read them, why are you simply believing a bunch of blabbermouths who say they were or should be classified over what the President said and did... declassification?

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No, I cannot read them, they are Top Secret and I do not have clearance and I have not participated in parties at Mar-a-Lago, which is the other way of having direct access to these.
That's the point. You still think that they are classified, so you won't read them even if you have access to them... right? Or would you read them?


I guess we will have to wait for the answer to these things. Neither of us, nor the major media, has the ability to adjudicate this.



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“As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t,” Trump says, according to the transcript.

No, Trump cannot declassify just like that:
That is simply rhetoric. It's like if you were in and out of your house all yesterday. Then, this morning you locked yourself out. Then you said, " As owner of the house, I could have gotten in all day yesterday, but now I can't get in."

President's don't simply do things that they can't. Trump checked into all the details before he declassified the docs, to make sure he was allowed.



https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/

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Trump lacked power to declassify secret nuclear arms document, experts say
Hearsay, until we get down to the nitty-gritty. Did the experts check into all the reasoning why Trump declassified?... if they even said this? Other experts, including Clinton's attorney in the case Clinton won, said that Trump had every right... Clinton Case VINDICATES Trump! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345301-2023-06-13-clinton-case-vindicates-trump.htm.



No, my sources of information are an order of magnitude better than yours. That can be checked across your post history easily.

Finally note that I say, subject to verdict. Innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately, it is more likely that Trump did everything he is accused of than the FBI and the doj being in cahoots on a super-conspiracy that would require the involvement of hundreds of people.

As you said. Your sources don't mean anything, because innocent until proven guilty. However, because US law is by contract more than it is by Constitution or 'black letter law', Trump could lose. But the real point is, guilty or innocent, Trump is being pressured politically by the Biden administration to keep him out of the Presidency in 2024.

How do we know? Because the tiny amounts of something that Trump might have done illegally or immorally are nothing compared with the 'big bad' Biden is doing out in the open all the time. The Dems behind Biden have found the Trump-needle in the Biden haystack, and that is all they are focusing on, and trying to keep us focused on.



Former federal prosecutor finds numerous problems with indictment documents against Trump




https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-06-19-former-federal-prosecutor-half-dozen-problems-indictment-docs-against-trump.html
A former assistant U.S. attorney has looked at the 37-count indictment against former President Donald Trump and has concluded that the case is essentially political in nature and should never stand up in a real court of law.

Trump was charged last week in connection with his handling of classified documents. He appeared in a federal court in Miami on Tuesday and pleaded not guilty to all of them. In comments since, Trump has said that, under provisions of the Presidential Records Act, he and he alone, as president, had the authority to declassified documents at will and declare them non-presidential records.

Now, Will Scharf, writing in The Federalist, laid out six problems he sees with the indictment.

“Interplay” between the Presidential Records Act and the Espionage Act

Section 793(e) of the Espionage Act, which Trump has been charged under, “requires the government to prove that the defendant knew he had National Defense Information (NDI) in his possession, knew there was a government official entitled to receive the information, and then willfully failed to deliver it to that official,” Scharf wrote.

“This is a very high set of mens rea bars to jump in any circumstance. Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act,” he said, adding:

The Presidential Records Act sets up a system where the president designates all records that he creates either as presidential or personal records (44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)). A former president is supposed to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), and he has the right to keep his personal records.
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Based on the documents I’ve read and his actions I’ve read about, I believe Trump viewed his “boxes” as his personal records under the PRA.

National Defense info and classification
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^^^ You have read the documents? You have determined that they are top secret and classified? Or are you only listening to hearsay?

Why is your determination greater than the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who declassified these documents his last day in office? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62425530

If you read the documents, and you think they should remain classified, aren't you the real criminal by your own admittance, by voluntarily reading documents that you say are classified? Or show us your top secret clearance.

But if you didn't read them, why are you simply believing a bunch of blabbermouths who say they were or should be classified over what the President said and did... declassification?

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No, I cannot read them, they are Top Secret and I do not have clearance and I have not participated in parties at Mar-a-Lago, which is the other way of having direct access to these.

No, Trump did not declassify the documents.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/trump-tape-didnt-declassify-secret-information/index.html

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“As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t,” Trump says, according to the transcript.

No, Trump cannot declassify just like that:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/

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Trump lacked power to declassify secret nuclear arms document, experts say

No, my sources of information are an order of magnitude better than yours. That can be checked across your post history easily.

Finally note that I say, subject to verdict. Innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately, it is more likely that Trump did everything he is accused of than the FBI and the doj being in cahoots on a super-conspiracy that would require the involvement of hundreds of people.
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^^^ You have read the documents? You have determined that they are top secret and classified? Or are you only listening to hearsay?

Why is your determination greater than the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who declassified these documents his last day in office? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62425530

If you read the documents, and you think they should remain classified, aren't you the real criminal by your own admittance, by voluntarily reading documents that you say are classified? Or show us your top secret clearance.

But if you didn't read them, why are you simply believing a bunch of blabbermouths who say they were or should be classified over what the President said and did... declassification?

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On August 8, 2022, the FBI, pursuant to a search warrant, raided the home of the legitimately elected former President, Donald Trump. This was an unprededented event and was clearly motivated by politics.

It appears that the DOJ intended to "prosecute" Trump via leaks to the friendly press by leaking either inaccurate information or information that is taken out of context. An example of this to date includes leaks to the Washington Post suggesting that some of the "classified" documents in Trump's home were related to "nuclear" secrets.

From the looks of it, the dispute in question appears to be a document dispute between Trump and the National Archives. There is no evidence presented to date that suggests a search warrant was necessary.

The unredacted version of the affidavit that was used to support the search warrant on Trump's home contained no information that suggested evidence of a crime would be found at Trump's home. Prior to the DOJ being ordered to release a redacted version of said affidavit, both Trump and Republican lawmakers have been calling for the DOJ to become transparent regarding the investigation and the case. After the affidavit was released, with its heavy redactions, many continue to slam the DOJ for their lack of transparency.

All of this comes after the DOJ described angry parents who were critical of the Biden Administration's allies (the teacher's unions) as "terrorists".

What do you think? Has Biden weaponized the DOJ against his political opponents? Has the DOJ and FBI lost all credibility?

1 - No, this is not a political raid. It is a raid by the law enforcement.
2 - Trump is not a victim. He has committed, pending a verdict, a number of federal crimes that place the US in jeopardy. These include leaving Top Secret documents in places where many people could have access and not returning the documents even after no longer being President and being officially requested to do so.
3 - It would actually be unfair for the people who have actually gone to prison or even being executed for failing to protect secrets not to judge Trump.

Again, playing the victim card over and over. do you remember the saying "the fact that I am paranoid does not mean I am not being followed?", well, the fact that he has made many enemies does not mean he is not guilty of quite a few crimes.
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Now you know why Trump declassified government documents his last day in office. It was so that he could take them legally, and use them in his fight to destroy the evil deep state.


Now you know why they raided Mar a Lago...



https://twitter.com/dc_draino/status/1666443247416164355
Signed letter from President Trump on Jan 19, 2021, the day before he left office, declassifying “Crossfire Hurricane” docs showing Obama, Biden, the CIA, DOJ, and FBI spied on him
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It appears that the DOJ intended to "prosecute" Trump via leaks to the friendly press by leaking either inaccurate information or information that is taken out of context. An example of this to date includes leaks to the Washington Post suggesting that some of the "classified" documents in Trump's home were related to "nuclear" secrets.

What do you think? Has Biden weaponized the DOJ against his political opponents? Has the DOJ and FBI lost all credibility?

Well...we have an update and tons of answers with a 49 page federal indictment and 31 federal charges against Trump, mostly violations of the espionage act.

It appears that the DOJ intended to "prosecute" Trump via leaks to the friendly press by leaking either inaccurate information or information that is taken out of context. An example of this to date includes leaks to the Washington Post suggesting that some of the "classified" documents in Trump's home were related to "nuclear" secrets.

It turns out that the Washington Post was correct.  Document #19:



The specific location the documents were stored in was the same location that classified documents were stored in when Trump was President. The entire compound is under 24/7 secret service protection, and the location in question is likely more secure than many SCIFs, including the one in Hilary Clinton's closet. There was no urgency in getting the documents back. There is no reason why the government couldn't have sought to enforce the subpoena.

Actually, the documents weren't stored in a SCIFF. 

They were stored in a few different places while Trump directed his people to move them around a few times while they were hiding the documents from the United States and lying about it.



And we've got pictures:





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Trumps lawsuit was thrown out today.  It was clearly nothing more than a delay tactic, but the way things were going I'm surprised the appeals court ended it so abruptly.

The FBI now has full access to all the stolen documents recovered from Trumps basement, as well as the classified documents recently found in one of his storage units.



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Trump tried to get SCOTUS involved with 11th circuit appeals court ruling:


https://i.gyazo.com/5e11ec3faf0fecdcd5f56a13d93a0ae5.png

You can only try. For this kind of action, it has to be a claim, man to man directly, with evidence and at least one witness. This means no attorneys can be formally involved. Otherwise, Gore would have won against Bush back in 2000. SCOTUS is on the ball.

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Trump tried to get SCOTUS involved with 11th circuit appeals court ruling:


https://i.gyazo.com/5e11ec3faf0fecdcd5f56a13d93a0ae5.png

You can only try. For this kind of action, it has to be a claim, man to man directly, with evidence and at least one witness. This means no attorneys can be formally involved. Otherwise, Gore would have won against Bush back in 2000. SCOTUS is on the ball.

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Trump tried to get SCOTUS involved with 11th circuit appeals court ruling:


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