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February 26, 2023, 11:02:19 PM

Unless if you do have lots of source of income which your savings stash couldnt really be touched up completely or would be used since it would really replenish out.This is case to case basis only because not all would really be that having the opportunity to have the chance on getting those sources but rather we are really just basing up on our monthly earning.This is why its really that hard not to snip out with those savings
when you are in need, but wait? whats the main purpose of savings after all if you arent gonna make use of it? This would be your last resort if you dont have any sources that you could make use into.
This is why you should really obliged yourself on saving up money because we dont know on what would happen in years to come or situation or whatever.
Lucky are those who have untouched savings. I have seen on TV there was man in Turkey who owned 78 KG of gold - and even after the building was destroyed the police found the owner and handed his gold to him.
There is always a benefit of saving - but along side we should always pray god to save us from bad times and bad people.
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February 24, 2023, 04:47:46 PM
You can try to spend less all the time while the future is uncertain. But it wouldn't be right to make the money you save to be untouchable. One that you can do is sell your watch and jewelry to a pawnshop or to your rich friend as your last resort.

It's not good to hide your fiat money these days because inflation will eat up its purchasing power which in the end, you won't be able to buy anything out of it. If there is anything that you could make untouchable savings, its BTC in your private wallet.
Great idea. There’s no chance that our savings will remain untouchable for the rest of our lives. We save so we can use it in the future, so meaning we save so we can spend it in the future and not to keep it untouchable. However, it’s not that useful if we insist saving fiat for life as it’s value will only depreciate in time. Better shift to bitcoin and invest and keep it for as long as you want, at least the profits are very huge by then.
Unless if you do have lots of source of income which your savings stash couldnt really be touched up completely or would be used since it would really replenish out.This is case to case basis only because not all would really be that having the opportunity to have the chance on getting those sources but rather we are really just basing up on our monthly earning.This is why its really that hard not to snip out with those savings
when you are in need, but wait? whats the main purpose of savings after all if you arent gonna make use of it? This would be your last resort if you dont have any sources that you could make use into.
This is why you should really obliged yourself on saving up money because we dont know on what would happen in years to come or situation or whatever.
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February 24, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
You can try to spend less all the time while the future is uncertain. But it wouldn't be right to make the money you save to be untouchable. One that you can do is sell your watch and jewelry to a pawnshop or to your rich friend as your last resort.

It's not good to hide your fiat money these days because inflation will eat up its purchasing power which in the end, you won't be able to buy anything out of it. If there is anything that you could make untouchable savings, its BTC in your private wallet.
Great idea. There’s no chance that our savings will remain untouchable for the rest of our lives. We save so we can use it in the future, so meaning we save so we can spend it in the future and not to keep it untouchable. However, it’s not that useful if we insist saving fiat for life as it’s value will only depreciate in time. Better shift to bitcoin and invest and keep it for as long as you want, at least the profits are very huge by then.
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February 24, 2023, 09:34:00 AM
yes, It applies to me very well and lot of middle class families too,
we save money for our hard times(like covid pendamic), children's education, health etc.
sometimes saved money helps but sometimes that money being invested by our next generations
Before there was covid, people saved for health and to continue their children's education and never thought about covid. And when there is Covid, it will be very difficult for anyone to save at that time because access to leaving the house is limited so that all items become expensive at that time. So, when you and your family have experienced how difficult the covid period was, of course there are some people who say that they are saving for covid, even though that is really not the right thing to say because everyone can save for health matters and also for a better future.

Likewise with the next generation who start using money from their family's savings for investment or the like, I think this is a very natural thing to do because when the leader in your family is getting old and can't afford to work anymore, it won't be wrong if that generation then the family uses the money for investment in order to get more profit.
I have started to save some earnings. And not touching them at all because I have some goals set for life.
I wish I should have done this earlier in my life.
But then again - it's never too late.
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February 24, 2023, 02:50:00 AM
yes, It applies to me very well and lot of middle class families too,
we save money for our hard times(like covid pendamic), children's education, health etc.
sometimes saved money helps but sometimes that money being invested by our next generations
Before there was covid, people saved for health and to continue their children's education and never thought about covid. And when there is Covid, it will be very difficult for anyone to save at that time because access to leaving the house is limited so that all items become expensive at that time. So, when you and your family have experienced how difficult the covid period was, of course there are some people who say that they are saving for covid, even though that is really not the right thing to say because everyone can save for health matters and also for a better future.

Likewise with the next generation who start using money from their family's savings for investment or the like, I think this is a very natural thing to do because when the leader in your family is getting old and can't afford to work anymore, it won't be wrong if that generation then the family uses the money for investment in order to get more profit.
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February 24, 2023, 12:41:46 AM
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What you describe is something I can relate to very well. But in my opinion you are describing something that is quite common for older people. They tend to save more than the younger generations do today. In relative terms of course to their income. A bad consequence that often occurs when older people save a lot of money or keep valuable assets like jewelry or art is that children and even grand children might end up fighting for it and not trust each other. That is particularly the case when there is no well defined last will. That doesn't mean saving is bad because people could be fighting about it. It rather means that with lots of savings still comes some responsibility.

When you watch someone saving so much and they just stay home for the sake of saving more without exploring the world or having a hobby, then I am totally with you in that they are too stingy with themselves. It is almost sad to see if someone has the possibility to live a great life but psychologically feel the urge to restrict themselves. It shouldn't be that way, but then again if it helps those people living a life without stress and feeling comfortable, I guess there isn't really anything you can blame them for.
i'm sure people who, as i said, have excessive fear because they (old people over 70 years old) have gone through difficult times during wars and economic revolutions in their respective countries so the trauma made them try hard to collect as much money and property as possible so that in the future he/her and his/her family will not have economic difficulties, but the long-term effects are worse because now times have changed, even though there is a potential for war or a pandemic, it won't last long.  i emphatically say that saving is very important and must be owned by everyone, but hoarding money and assets without ever touching or using it is a very bad thing.
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February 23, 2023, 12:27:37 PM
I stumbled upon this interesting tweet days ago.


https://twitter.com/SchrodingrsBrat/status/1622320014215856128?cxt=HHwWgIC-9aPd0YMtAAAA

Many of the comments are equally interesting. They apply the idea to all kinds of things including the game Resident Evil. And then I thought perhaps this is also true in the economic aspect of life. Perhaps this aptly applies to those whose economic lives are like the desert and whose little money they have they keep tightly for the hardest of days.

When I was studying in the university far from family and relatives or even family friends, I had a difficult time. Money is extremely scarce. Early mornings are usually for hot drinks-- coffee, chocolate, milk, tea, or whatever. I realized that what made those drinks important is that they are hot. So I learned to drink only a hot cup of water which I could easily ask for free from the eatery in front of where I stayed.

Come meal time, I would also request that the serving be made in half. That's to save money. But I had the money. I always made sure I have some. Emergencies and unforeseen expenses may arise anytime. So I need to have money all the time, but I won't touch it. Ironically, it also gave me hunger, inconvenience, discomfort at times.

My story is rather uninteresting, but let me know yours. Does this idea also apply to you? You could have the money to buy a new car to replace your old and broken one but you prefer not to touch it. Do you hold yourself from spending what you have to the point of depriving yourself of what you deserve? Do you keep significant savings for occasions that might only happen in your imagination? Or at what point would you allow yourself to be drained of your last penny?

yes, It applies to me very well and lot of middle class families too,
we save money for our hard times(like covid pendamic), children's education, health etc.
sometimes saved money helps but sometimes that money being invested by our next generations
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February 23, 2023, 12:06:39 PM
i don't have untouchable saving, by the way untouchable saving sounds really old school imo!!  My grandmother used to be known as a very stingy and thrifty person, and she rarely even gave money to her children and grandchildren. As a result, when she died, all the money she collected was taken by her children (one of them was my father), since then i think people who save too much money (untouchable saving category), are very stingy with themselves and others just do things in vain. 

What you describe is something I can relate to very well. But in my opinion you are describing something that is quite common for older people. They tend to save more than the younger generations do today. In relative terms of course to their income. A bad consequence that often occurs when older people save a lot of money or keep valuable assets like jewelry or art is that children and even grand children might end up fighting for it and not trust each other. That is particularly the case when there is no well defined last will. That doesn't mean saving is bad because people could be fighting about it. It rather means that with lots of savings still comes some responsibility.

When you watch someone saving so much and they just stay home for the sake of saving more without exploring the world or having a hobby, then I am totally with you in that they are too stingy with themselves. It is almost sad to see if someone has the possibility to live a great life but psychologically feel the urge to restrict themselves. It shouldn't be that way, but then again if it helps those people living a life without stress and feeling comfortable, I guess there isn't really anything you can blame them for.
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February 23, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
There is a huge difference between untouched savings and untouchable savings.

Rational people will have, if they can afford it (!), some savings they will not touch unless something big and bad happens. Does this means they'll die before spending all their money? Yes, and it's fine. Having a certain peace of mind has its costs.

Untouchable savings is imho stupidly risky. They have their purpose in case of people with certain addictions, but it's something that has to be treated with extreme attention. It's more advisable to allow other (trusted!) person/entity take care of those savings than lock them and make them untouchable, since if a health issue comes up, one may need that money, but may not be able to touch it.


I couldn't agree more.

Untouched savings for me is the emergency fund, that will only be spend when an emergency happens, obviously, but that doesn't mean that I will not have any more money in my wallet or bank account. While untouchable savings from me I believe is the savings that we think that is not worthy to be spend on anything because it could be use in something more worthy in the future but the reality is that the owner don't want to spend it, like it is just a display in its storage.
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February 22, 2023, 11:38:28 AM
i don't have untouchable saving, by the way untouchable saving sounds really old school imo!!  My grandmother used to be known as a very stingy and thrifty person, and she rarely even gave money to her children and grandchildren. As a result, when she died, all the money she collected was taken by her children (one of them was my father), since then i think people who save too much money (untouchable saving category), are very stingy with themselves and others just do things in vain. 
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February 22, 2023, 10:26:52 AM
If I wanted, I could spend more money than I ever spent overnight. But I didn't do that, not because I was stingy, I preferred to save money to meet other needs.
Unexpected things always happen in our lives, having an emergency fund is a solution to overcome life's problems that can come to us at any time. The wheel of life always turns, sometimes we are above, sometimes we are below. Life is full of uncertainties, you might need sudden funds for emergency medical needs, home renovations, unexpected trips and moving domiciles.
An emergency fund can provide some peace of mind, since I actively set aside a few dollars a week, it really helps me build a financial reserve.
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February 22, 2023, 10:24:42 AM
Is it really possible to have untouchable money? I believe that everyone who saves does so for future purposes, such as saving to buy something that one's salary cannot afford at the time or don't have much money to buy it once. And if this is the case, I'm not sure why I can't use the money whenever I have a problem to salve. The only condition is that you should return any money you take from savings account; otherwise, you can't continue to afford money to buy dream things. As for me, I have a savings account for emergencies, but I wouldn't call it an untouchable account because I can use it whenever I want, but not for anything that doesn't have compelling reasons.
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February 22, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Unfortunately I don't have untouchable savings because every cents has their own goals and I think it would look stupid if there were people who still had savings but couldn't even enjoy life properly because they prefer to keep saving it for things that may not even happen and it will look even more stupid if the amount is big and can be used for an activity that is more profitable than just saving it.
I both agree with you but also disagree with you, depending on how people live. If I am saving and putting money aside and not touching it and yet I still live a decent life, then it's a good decision. If I am saving and I am very much poor, then it is still a good decision because it could suddenly go up and make me get out of that poverty, spending just a little bit won't help, but investing a lot and getting rich later on could.

However, if you are like me, neither in poverty nor rich, and have some money, the nit would be a smart idea to sell some eventually and live a better life instead, could make up the difference between happy life and boring life.
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February 22, 2023, 08:16:35 AM
It's exceedingly rare to have savings that are untouchable in any form. Given the current state of affairs affecting the environment, the economy, and society, it is virtually impossible to have savings that cannot be accessed in an emergency in today's world. Although though it is a prevalent assumption that holding investments for a long time can increase profits, unforeseeable circumstances might still occur and make it difficult to maintain an untouchable savings account open.
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February 22, 2023, 06:34:10 AM
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This totally depends on person and their situations. You can use your untouchable savings funds, but you need to make sure you don't depend on it totally. There are some situations where you don't have enough and you just need a little bit. You can cover it from your savings, and it won't make that much different. So in this case, you can use it. At least that's what I think. If you are earning enough to cover up your daily life expenses and can also save for the future, then that's a different story. But if you are not making much, then you have no choice but to use it at some point.

There is no doubt about that. If you have no choice, well, then you obviously have no choice but to use it. Tongue

My response was to the idea that we only live once and therefore should spend whatever we earn right away in order to appreciate life. You are talking about a different story that I completely agree with. Not everyone is in the position to even be able to save money and that is stressful in and of itself. But if someone lives a life without stress not saving any money whatsoever despite being able to save and then gets into deep trouble, that's bad and a lifestyle I would not recommend. Being able to save is a privilege. Being able to spend a lot is also a privilege, but it shouldn't abused to the extent that you forego the privilege of being able to save. Smiley Hope I made my point understandable.
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February 21, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
Unfortunately I don't have untouchable savings because every cents has their own goals and I think it would look stupid if there were people who still had savings but couldn't even enjoy life properly because they prefer to keep saving it for things that may not even happen and it will look even more stupid if the amount is big and can be used for an activity that is more profitable than just saving it.
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February 21, 2023, 06:56:18 PM
Because I have a loose hand and a loss mind. and people get money from me and I give it to them
Maybe you should prolly tighten up your hands a bit, not to the extent of depriving your loved ones of really important things, but rather to the extent of ensuring that you have something saved up for yourself and your future. Quite a lot of adults have responsibilities (only but a few exceptions), but i think one should not let their responsibilities deprive them of a good life after retirement, and a solid emergency fund.

Having said that, sometimes being selfish isn't really a bad thing per se, if you are not selfish, you might actually be giving out far more than you should, which would definitely take its toll on your expenses. I'd rather be a little bit selfish than exhaust my income on others and turn out to be dependent on someone in the long run.
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February 21, 2023, 05:03:48 PM
~snip

This totally depends on person and their situations. You can use your untouchable savings funds, but you need to make sure you don't depend on it totally. There are some situations where you don't have enough and you just need a little bit. You can cover it from your savings, and it won't make that much different. So in this case, you can use it. At least that's what I think. If you are earning enough to cover up your daily life expenses and can also save for the future, then that's a different story. But if you are not making much, then you have no choice but to use it at some point.
As long you do still other ways and methods then as much as possible then you should avoid on spending up your savings on which you would really be using it as your last method or way on solving it out.
Whether its up to yours if you would be taking up some loan or would really be just using make use of your savings.This is what intented to be used for and there's no sense on saving up money if you cant
really just make use of it.It is really just that a wrong mindset to have that kind of believing that trying out to risk something just because you cant just touch up your savings.
it doesnt really make no sense if you do have this kind of approach and decision making and sticking into that dumb idea on mind.
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February 21, 2023, 02:27:55 PM
~snip

This totally depends on person and their situations. You can use your untouchable savings funds, but you need to make sure you don't depend on it totally. There are some situations where you don't have enough and you just need a little bit. You can cover it from your savings, and it won't make that much different. So in this case, you can use it. At least that's what I think. If you are earning enough to cover up your daily life expenses and can also save for the future, then that's a different story. But if you are not making much, then you have no choice but to use it at some point.
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February 21, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
My story is rather uninteresting, but let me know yours. Does this idea also apply to you? You could have the money to buy a new car to replace your old and broken one but you prefer not to touch it. Do you hold yourself from spending what you have to the point of depriving yourself of what you deserve? Do you keep significant savings for occasions that might only happen in your imagination? Or at what point would you allow yourself to be drained of your last penny?

I save for the future, but if the reason comes over life or death like emergency, then sure, I will use my savings. We only live once, right? And we save for our future. Then what's the meaning of saving if that future is at risk? But I won't spend my savings on luxury things. If something is working for me just fine, then why replace or change it in the first place?
So for me, Emergency situations - I will spend it.
Something in order to show off or get something better - No, not a chance. I will work for that till I can afford it, but not with my savings money.
True words, we live only once. What we have earned and saved couldn't help in our need. Then what for is the savings and earnings. At the time of emergency the untouchable fund gets utilised. I don't know how I'm moving forward, because I don't have any savings to meet up unexpected emergency situation. Somehow things were getting managed with what I earn.

Looking upon different threads on savings and investment I prefer to allocate something aside for savings, but I wasn't able to do it. Hope I'll build my saving ability then onwards. According to me everyone should know and have something as savings.

If someone doesn't know what savings are even good for because they think that you live only once and should therefore consume what you earn, there really is one very good, simple reason:

"Stress makes life’s clock tick faster — chilling out slows it down"

That quote is from yale.edu. They have researched the impact of stress on the epigenetic clock. That is definitely worth reading, and I assume we all agree that knowing you are financially safe when some accident or unexpected event happens certainly allows people to live life with less stress. The pressure someone feels when the lifestyle is all about consuming today whatever you earn and that something bad happens and you can't afford your bills anymore can be enormous. It can also snowball because savings have a one time effect. You use it, pay for the unexpected cost, and keep going. If you don't have savings and can't pay almost any of your bills, that might get you into a multitude of trouble. Can't repair your car, can't drive to your job, lose your job, can't pay your rent, lose your apartment, can't get another job without an apartment, etc... This is the snowball effect and savings can save you from a one time event turning into a multifaceted problem.

I took it to the extreme in my example but I think it gets the message across pretty well. If you have 2,000 USD in savings and you need them for a single event, those 2,000 USD are gone and you might think it is a 2,000 USD loss. But the intrinsic value (real value) of that 2,000 USD "investment" is perhaps much higher than the nominal value.
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