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sr. member
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July 11, 2016, 04:57:55 AM
Guys I really need to know is trump implicated with Epstein? You know I can agree with everything with the guy but this is a no no issue. So is he guilty of the same acts of clinton and Epstein?

Edit: taking Flynn as VP would solve my doubts and be one step closer to make America great again. Flynn knows or will know if trump is involved with Epstein. Then taking him would assure that diesbold machine are working properly (the foundation will play nasty Algore is their excuses and losing isn't an option they went so far in corruption).

Flynn isn't the best orator America has ever seen however it would assure a trump presidency a sound and impartial basis to build on. For all the project to make America great again the involvement of all is necessary and Flynn would bring a lot of real support. Only downside is that trump will need to be honest. The truth and nothing else. It will be hard work to clean the mess of the previous admin.
legendary
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July 10, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
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I personally don't connect dots between US presence in the South China sea and the issues of trade policy.  And war with China is impossible.  But why bring these matters up?  Wasn't the subject trade policy?  We could have a dispute about expansionism in a geographical area and have a good trade relationship.  Or not.  Isn't that a false fear?

Forcing any country to do anything tends to imply the use or at least the threat of force.

If a war with China is to be part of Trump's legacy count me out.

Having lived through and remembering the Cold War, I can't relate to this kind of thinking.  Both China and Russia are today friends of the USA. 

As far as I am concerned, you and others are welcome to attribute hostilities these countries or their people may have directly at the current POTUS of the USA, Barack Obama.  And when you look at that and it seems nonsensical, well, yah, it is.

Friends? It only appears that way because fascism rules.    Cool
legendary
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July 10, 2016, 02:46:38 PM
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I personally don't connect dots between US presence in the South China sea and the issues of trade policy.  And war with China is impossible.  But why bring these matters up?  Wasn't the subject trade policy?  We could have a dispute about expansionism in a geographical area and have a good trade relationship.  Or not.  Isn't that a false fear?

Forcing any country to do anything tends to imply the use or at least the threat of force.

If a war with China is to be part of Trump's legacy count me out.

Having lived through and remembering the Cold War, I can't relate to this kind of thinking.  Both China and Russia are today friends of the USA. 

As far as I am concerned, you and others are welcome to attribute hostilities these countries or their people may have directly at the current POTUS of the USA, Barack Obama.  And when you look at that and it seems nonsensical, well, yah, it is.
legendary
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★Nitrogensports.eu★
July 10, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Bargaining table? Bolstering the U.S. military presence?

What if China refuses to surrender to Trump's whims?

War with China?
Trump is not an idiot. And definitely not to the point of risking war with either China or Russia. He is very realistic person with clear vision in mind.
An he is right, America is not highly regarded anymore - he wants to rebuild that trust in power US once represented.

That doesn't mean he will suddenly start picking wars US can't win.
legendary
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July 10, 2016, 02:02:03 PM

Flynn.  VP.

The trial balloons were strong enough for me to put a few hours into trying to figure the guy out.

Much of what he says in various interviews resonates with me, though that is obviously the design goal.  He doesn't seem like a very polished speaker.  Here again, it is something which is, to me, a positive and here again something that could be a shrewd design goal.  But probably is not.

I have almost a terror of 'fusion' when it comes to intel and that seems to be one of Flynn's big things.  This because it is extraordinarily dangerous.  That said, it is here already, isn't going anywhere, and is also a tool by which justice could be delivered to those who sorely need it (e.g., Hilary Clinton.)  My feelings about the NSA's database are similar in this respect.

Flynn has the kind of background which would allow him to accrue the 'protection' he would need to sustain life in a politically powerful position and do good work therein.  He would also would have a variety of contacts and again would have a lot of knowledge of 'where the bodies are buried.'

Though I have not seen it, I've heard that Flynn is an advocate of closer dialog and cooperation with Russia.  I cannot for the life of me understand how the Democrats (formerly somewhat 'my people' as is apparently the case with Flynn) could turn this into a bad thing.  I would call attention to Putin himself practically pleading with the Western press to keep their eyes on the ball because the Globalists seem to be taking us directly toward nuclear war.  I no longer believe it accurate to say 'nobody wants that' and suspect that there are a handful of people who actually do for a variety of logical, if twisted, reasons.

I noticed with interest that Flynn and Ledeen wrote a book together.  Ledeen is classified as an 'agent of foreign influence' so much so that he is not allowed in the U.S. govt as I understand things.  Considering the various others who were invited to serve under GW Bush, this is really saying something.  And no anything particularly good.

Most of Flynn's features which could be strengths could also be disastrous weaknesses.  In this way he is like a razor sharp knife.  At this point I believe that the U.S. and the world is in such a precarious position that the rational choice is to take some risky chances.  If Trump picked a Gingrich or Giuliani or whatever I would still have to take a chance on him, but would be pretty confident that he would ultimately prove to be a sell-out like pretty much all the rest.

legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 05, 2016, 01:28:39 PM

I am for Trump, however, some few remain who are not.  I suggest to them that rather than making things up, why not look at his actual positions?  You will find some that you don't like.  It's easier than making stuff up. 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Here is his actual position regarding trade with China.

The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

    Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

    Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

    Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

    Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism


Is there something wrong with any of this?

Bargaining table? Bolstering the U.S. military presence?

What if China refuses to surrender to Trump's whims?

War with China?

I personally don't connect dots between US presence in the South China sea and the issues of trade policy.  And war with China is impossible.  But why bring these matters up?  Wasn't the subject trade policy?  We could have a dispute about expansionism in a geographical area and have a good trade relationship.  Or not.  Isn't that a false fear?

Forcing any country to do anything tends to imply the use or at least the threat of force.

If a war with China is to be part of Trump's legacy count me out.
legendary
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July 05, 2016, 01:22:19 PM

I am for Trump, however, some few remain who are not.  I suggest to them that rather than making things up, why not look at his actual positions?  You will find some that you don't like.  It's easier than making stuff up. 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Here is his actual position regarding trade with China.

The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

    Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

    Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

    Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

    Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism


Is there something wrong with any of this?

Bargaining table? Bolstering the U.S. military presence?

What if China refuses to surrender to Trump's whims?

War with China?

I personally don't connect dots between US presence in the South China sea and the issues of trade policy.  And war with China is impossible.  But why bring these matters up?  Wasn't the subject trade policy?  We could have a dispute about expansionism in a geographical area and have a good trade relationship.  Or not.  Isn't that a false fear?

legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 05, 2016, 07:42:15 AM

I am for Trump, however, some few remain who are not.  I suggest to them that rather than making things up, why not look at his actual positions?  You will find some that you don't like.  It's easier than making stuff up. 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Here is his actual position regarding trade with China.

The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

    Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

    Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

    Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

    Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism


Is there something wrong with any of this?

Bargaining table? Bolstering the U.S. military presence?

What if China refuses to surrender to Trump's whims?

War with China?
legendary
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July 04, 2016, 05:29:10 PM

I am for Trump, however, some few remain who are not.  I suggest to them that rather than making things up, why not look at his actual positions?  You will find some that you don't like.  It's easier than making stuff up. 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Here is his actual position regarding trade with China.

The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

    Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

    Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

    Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

    Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism


Is there something wrong with any of this?
legendary
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legendary
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July 04, 2016, 02:53:03 PM

This article does not prove or even support the position that "trump trade policy is a scam."  It suggests a large number of other factors influence the matter.

But it never directly tackles Trump's central thesis that we need to make better deals with other countries, because it can't.  Neither can you.  It's a scam to argue otherwise.

New better trade agreements that are negotiated in a week?

Sounds awfully like brexit - do you think trump will just step down after quitting every trade agreement like the political leaders in the UK?
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I am not sure you are saying things that make sense.

However I do know it makes sense to argue for trade deals that benefit one's own country, after all they are deals between nations for their mutual benefit.

Trump has pointed out correctly that many of these deals are not to our benefit.  When a article points out other factors that affect the macro economic picture, that does not even approach the central argument here.  It's irrelevant.
legendary
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July 04, 2016, 12:25:50 PM

This article does not prove or even support the position that "trump trade policy is a scam."  It suggests a large number of other factors influence the matter.

But it never directly tackles Trump's central thesis that we need to make better deals with other countries, because it can't.  Neither can you.  It's a scam to argue otherwise.

New better trade agreements that are negotiated in a week?

Sounds awfully like brexit - do you think trump will just step down after quitting every trade agreement like the political leaders in the UK?

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Deregulation and tax cuts are have been tried and failed for the last four decades, simply enriching the rich without stimulating any growth.

Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.
legendary
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July 04, 2016, 10:17:41 AM
This is from an email I received last year, but obviously is from some time ago. Make sure you read all of it

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I know lots of folks don't like Wal-Mart, but this is fascinating.

PLEASE, READ THIS TO THE END. IT IS VERY INTERESTING!!!

Wal-Mart vs. The Morons

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans... Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature

It is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:

a.. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775.  You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

b.. Social Security was established in 1935.  You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.

c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.

d.. War on Poverty started in 1964.  You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.

e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965.  You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.

f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.

g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before.  You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Folks, keep this circulating. It is very well stated.  Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our "duly elected' (they never read anything) and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.

AND

I know what's wrong.  We have lost our minds to "Political Correctness" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone please tell me what is wrong with all the people that run this country!!!!!! We're "broke" & can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc.,?HuhHuhHuh? In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , and Turkey ..And now Pakistan ..........previous home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks...

AMERICA : a country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without 'needed' meds, and mentally ill without treatment -etc,etc.

Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries. Sad isn't it?

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This is from an email I received last year. The question is:

Would Trump be any different?

Cool
legendary
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July 04, 2016, 07:37:22 AM

This article does not prove or even support the position that "trump trade policy is a scam."  It suggests a large number of other factors influence the matter.

But it never directly tackles Trump's central thesis that we need to make better deals with other countries, because it can't.  Neither can you.  It's a scam to argue otherwise.
legendary
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July 03, 2016, 10:35:41 PM

I still can't wrap my head around the whole thing. I've always been a free market person, and I haven't quite been budged from the stance yet by Trump

Because you like most trump supporters dont have the intelligence to see through his bullshit.
He is part of the elite that you people hate so much and he will cut the taxes of the super rich and mega corporations when he is voted in.
(You can read all this on his official homepage btw)

 Cry

Trump will have to give them rebates, b/c the super rich and mega corporations don't pay any taxes now!

I mean his tax policy is in my opinion in the right direction, in a less is more sort of way. There won't be any income tax for those making <$x0,000
legendary
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July 03, 2016, 03:31:39 PM

I still can't wrap my head around the whole thing. I've always been a free market person, and I haven't quite been budged from the stance yet by Trump

Because you like most trump supporters dont have the intelligence to see through his bullshit.
He is part of the elite that you people hate so much and he will cut the taxes of the super rich and mega corporations when he is voted in.
(You can read all this on his official homepage btw)

 Cry

Trump will have to give them rebates, b/c the super rich and mega corporations don't pay any taxes now!
legendary
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July 03, 2016, 02:48:49 PM

I still can't wrap my head around the whole thing. I've always been a free market person, and I haven't quite been budged from the stance yet by Trump

Because you like most trump supporters dont have the intelligence to see through his bullshit.
He is part of the elite that you people hate so much and he will cut the taxes of the super rich and mega corporations when he is voted in.
(You can read all this on his official homepage btw)

 Cry
legendary
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July 03, 2016, 01:54:16 PM

I still can't wrap my head around the whole thing. I've always been a free market person, and I haven't quite been budged from the stance yet by Trump
sr. member
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July 01, 2016, 09:07:19 PM
Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Brother...  Big mess.

At least Trump is not beholden to them & to Wall Street like all the DemoCrypts & ReBloodlicans are.

Trump is recorded on video from Epstein mansion private camera system used for blackmail while fucking underage girls...

And you believe he will be independent? Look how many of the friend of Epstein are managing big banks? O, why? Doomed... As a shareholder of a major bank do you want your management team to have been in contact with epstein? Of course not...too fucking risky. I betcha cia has private children ring... Corrupts to the bones.

Take a look at many of the videos on Youtube. Watch some movies downloaded from http://123movies.ru/. Some of these videos and movies look really real. But we know that the movies have been faked. We know that many of the videos have faked content. How can you tell about a video with Trump in it?

Cool

Excellent point. I would use the same line of defense... However in my world this story wouldn't have degenerate this far... I agree that after having won the Cold War it would have been total shame to have a potus fucking underage girls to no risk AIDS... There are ways to make a human speak the truth... If there were inputs there is a way to get it out. It just data.
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