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I am grateful for the effort.  To be clear, news outlets are supposed to do their own fact checking traditionally.  And their accuracy was how folks determined who to trust with their precious attention.  These days we give our attention to any scoundrel it seems who does little to deserve it.  Hence my request for verified fact.  

It is unfortunate that the MSM has willfully abandoned their very necessary job.  Open societies needed an informed public to make good decisions.  And for example with the news outlets you cite one will now need to look through the reporting for facts or alleged facts and then independently attempt to verify those alleged facts.  It is very difficult to do and sometimes cannot be done I realize.  

In court you can offer a thing called self authenticating evidence.  That is simply a certified copy of a document from a publically searchable database.  This is a good thing to do for the court because it allows the judge to instantly consider the document as authentic because it has the control on it that tells him it is not fake.  Otherwise the court must verify the document is real before the contents can be considered.  So you see the news outlets can do the same thing if they wanted. They could cite where they got the info so the readers can check or they could provide the certified info if possible to save the reader the time of checking.  These days neither options are done and we live in a see of bad info passing as fact!

     It is not that I have any distrust as you indicate I may have on the MSM it is just that they have been busted so many times not doing the process I mention above so now they do not deserve any trust.  If you still trust them it is curious why.  Maybe you are not aware of the many times they have been busted individually and together as part of a wholesale misinfo front for the prevailing government.  

This was why I posted the stuff I did the last few days because you did not believe these things are real.  I posted quotes and have the full cite and  You choose not to comment.  And then I posted a video I think ( I will post it again just for you) about media being busted in outright lies using actual footage of the fakery and I will wait for any comment.

in the mean time thank you for the links and I will look through them over the next week

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You say that as if Kim can pose a threat to anyone but close neighbors. No one is afraid. Better he thinks that Kim may suffer the fate of Saddam or Gaddafi.

The idea is pretty cool, but you must understand the risks. Kim Jong Un is not Donald Trump. If someone names his crypto after the fat boy, there is no guarantee that Kim will not try to assassinate that person. Do you want to end up like Kim Jong-nam?

Well , that coin could get a lot of fans and "backers".

A coin for when the situation in North Korea is solved, when probably inflation would be rampant, it would be easy to implement cause they don't have any other means of payments so Kimcoin would take the first spot against cc cards...... a lot of that bs.
A new experiment unlike anything else... it will topple auroracoin....

And I doubt that we won't have at least 1000 believers in this coin on this forum

If the currency is the name of the policy and its creation is of a political character for me is a sure signal not to invest in a currency. This is an attempt to make money on the market. Such projects do not last long.

It has had its time. Now the next big thing is Kim Jong Coin? 

Trump coin is dead. It had a short spike in 2016 November, but it died down after that. I have checked coinmarketcap.com, and unfortunately Trumpcoin fails to figure in the top 100 crypto-currencies.

Alright.

Don't know if you consider these valid news sources. Start here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/28/trump-business-past-ties-russian-mobsters-organized-crime/98321252/

As stated before, I can't vet the news source, but I'm using sources generally accepted as legitimate by the greater public. The next one:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-mafia-trump-tower-two-years-2016-presidential-election-us-money-laundering-alimzhan-a7642851.html

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

And another source on the same topic:
http://www.inquisitr.com/4079311/trump-tower-was-wiretapped-by-fbi-during-obama-era-to-capture-russian-mob-boss/

More on Tokhtakhounov:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/world/europe/tokhtakhounov-says-criminal-charges-are-just-a-misunderstanding.html

What I was referring to when I described  financial relationships with despotic regimes:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

A politifact summation of a lot of what I was speaking on:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/22/all-possible-ties-between-trump-and-russia/


I'm avoiding more obviously partisan, left leaning outlets that are highly critical, like Vox, Mother Jones, RawStory, and Politico. I am also avoiding the Guardian and MSNBC for the sake of argument (they are also openly critical. Dont disagree with that, I'm just trying to be objective.

I will plainly say, the investigation is still in progress. I obviously don't know more than the men and women still actively involved in this ongoing investigation. But interesting, dammit, interesting.

Bit, is this sufficient? I'm being serious. I get you don't trust the msm, so it seems pointless to offer sources from the mainstream media, which is real to me, if you have an inherent distrust of all mainstream media sources.

It's alot to look up (these are things I have encountered in my readings, over time). About to bake and frost chocolate cupcakes, give me like 40 minutes or so, and I'll point out the lobbying l/corporate interest shit I was taking about.

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You can add

34) He eats healthy every morning
35) The sun is still setting in the west
36) He has acknowledged that the earth is not flat
37) His supporters have come with 33 things he has done
38) His supporters have counted one of their achievements as Trump's.

Really?
What the hell are those things?

10. National Park week - This presidential proclamation makes all national parks free for the public to enter for one week out of the year.
20. Greek independence day - This presidential proclamation officially recognizes the date of Greek independence.

And this must be the frappuccino topping on the cake:

How has Trump really done?
We all know what we are mad at him for, but here is a list of things he's done. It is not that bad.
This is taking a lot longer than I expected, so I am not done with this list yet. I will post the rest of it later. This obviously does not excuse him for ignoring the alt media while massive monopoly powers to kill it, and does not excuse him for attacking Syria, playing the neocon, being a statesman and a globalist, saying it is OK to go after Assange, or letting Kushner be "President in Law" but it does show that Trump is not all bad, and a couple of these make it clear that the swamp is to be drained in September, after it is fully analyzed for an effective killing.

1. Exploring offshore energy prospects - This executive order has opened the door for more oil exploration and American energy independence.

2. Protecting whistleblowers at the VA - this executive order makes it easier for vets to blow the whistle on the VA health system, which has really gone downhill.

3. Steel and aluminum dumping - This Presidential memoranda protects American steel and aluminum producers from being hurt by foreign entities that use government subsidies to sell steel and aluminum for less than the cost of production.

4. Reviewing the federal governments power in education: This executive order removes some, but not all, of the federal government's role in education. It does not kill the department of education.

5. Agricultural and rurla prosperity - This executive order removes a lot of regulations that are making farming difficult for ordinary farmers.

6. National volunteer week - This presidential proclamation is to officially recognize volunteers.

7. Review tax regulations - This executive order simplifies the tax code and limits how nasty the IRS can be.

8. Dodd-Frank act rollback - This presidential memoranda seeks to limit the application of the Dood-Frank act, which was enacted after the banker bailout to prevent such a crash from happening again. However, if the bankers do blow things up, they won't be bailed out again.

9. Buy American, Hire Amercian - This executive order seeks to restrict how many foreigners American companies can hire, and encourage the purchase of American products.

10. National Park week - This presidential proclamation makes all national parks free for the public to enter for one week out of the year.

11. Delegating terrorist report request - This presidential memorandum leaves it up to Comey to track suspected terrorists.

12. Notifying Congress of the U.S. strike on Syria - This presidential memorandum simply notified Congress it happened.

13. Principles for reforming the draft - This presidential memorandum expands the draft to women.

14. Lowering the trade deficit and imposing tariffs - This executive order directs the executive branch to find out what nations are competing the least fairly, and impose tariffs accordingly.

15. Changing the DOJ order of succession - This executive order replaced Obama's order of succession for who would fill positions at the Department of Justice.

16. Combating the opioid crisis - This executive order creates a commission to create strategies to combat America's drug problem.

17. Dismantling Obama's climate change protections - This executive order reduces the EPA burdens on the energy and manufacturing sectors and makes mining and drilling easier by removing red tape.

18. Revoking Obama's fair pay and save workplaces orders - This executive order removes the requirement for government contractor companies to have a perfect fair labor record.

19. Establishing white house office for American innovation - This presidential memorandum is to overhaul government functions with ideas for industry, and KUSHNER IS LEADING IT. Cool.

20. Greek independence day - This presidential proclamation officially recognizes the date of Greek independence.

21. Declaring an emergency in South Sudan - This presidential memoranda extends the humanitarian famine emergency in Sudan that Obama put in place.

22. Delegating to Tillerson - This presidential memorandum delegates presidential powers in the National Defense Authorization Act to Rex Tillerson, who will now decide who gets to spend what.

23. National Poison Prevention Week - This presidential proclamation simply encourages Americans to safeguard their homes and keep their kids away from common household items that could poison them.

24 - Reorganizing the executive branch - This executive order is to find out what agencies and people in the government can be disbanded, and has to be submitted by September of 2017, after which heads will probably roll.

25 - National consumer protection week - This presidential proclamation encourages people to report online scams.

26. - A new travel ban - This executive order was an attempt to put in place a new travel ban.

27 - Guide for agencies to implement the new travel ban - This presidential memorandum instructed agencies on how to implement the new travel ban.

28 - Reviewing the waters of the United States rule - This executive order is to undo the EPA's clean water rule, and get the EPA out of the lives of private property owners.

29 - Enforcing regulatory reform - This executive order instructs agencies to get rid of environmental regulations that are not needed, cost people too much, or are outdated.

30 - Combating criminal organizations - This executive order makes it easier to deport illegals who are criminals.

31 - Reducing crime - This executive order was drafted to comprehensively address illegal immigration, drug trafficking, and violent crime.

32. - protecting law enforcement - this executive order increases penalties for crimes committed against police officers.

33. Reviewing wall street regulations - This executive order de-regulates Wall street, and lets them behave more recklessly WHILE NOT ALLOWING ANY TAXPAYER FUNDED BAILOUTS. So if they blow things up, it's on them.

This is all the farther I could get right now, this will be continued later.

Sorry that troll followed me here.  He is attempting some lame, failed hostile takeover of Trumpcoin which I have been involved with since

at least July 4th, 2016 and it is a POS coin with 6.5 Million coins in existence.  So this clown is wishing to steal the name and change the coin into his own personal piggy

bank by premining millions of coins for himself and one of the former devs he brainwashed and also then as an obsolete shit POW coin algo he can

then selfish mine millions more of the newly created coins.  Pay no attention to him he is here because he is mad at me because I call him

on his greedy bullshit.

He does not care at all about Trump.

Someone very much wants to capitalize on the name Trump. Still hiding behind the interests of America. I don't believe such calls. Besides, they should not forget that most of America doesn't support Trump/ These people fundamentally will not make your investment.

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You bring up interesting points to consider but without any starting point I have no way to run down any of your claims to confirm if this new set of masters is true as you say regarding Trump...  I will beg for any scrap of citation especially about the new set of masters as you put it!  Please sir I beg you post 1 cite on that so I have somewhere to start.

And yes I have considered many of the other things.  But I am only interested in verifiable fact.

Marksman in The League of Legends

And if it's not that one maybe he's talking about Caitlyn Jenner or... yuck....Bruce Jenner.
Same guy.. or should I say same woman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner

I just saw a clip of Kim on tv telling Ellen how "Bling doesn't matter to me anymore...." 

Yeah....right.

Fuck, who?

I fell  behind in the thread, been busy a bit. My apologies.

tvb has it right. The media, in general, did a terrible job this particular election. I'm no fan of Trump, but priori the election,  the anti Trump media was too much. If Trump sneezed, it was an article on RawStory. Now, some of it was warranted. I get the pussy grab thing, I thought his chances were shot at that point. I'm still grappling intellectually with how old school, Reagan voting Rebuplicans could have helld their noses to click the switch, but I do get it. The alternative was simply unacceptable to some folks, I totally get that.

Now, I have less nefarious reasons for this. Profit. Where tvb, bit and I differ is attribution of intent. I see profit chasing from the corporations that control the media outlets, rather than an attempt to pay op the masses. I think the psy op happens, inadvertently, but the reason for the season is the money. America tuned in like it never tuned in before. And the media establishment profited. From CNN to Breitbart, people tuned in and clicked in to read the new hijinx everyday, multiple times a day, driving up those ad revenues to record levels for an election. Breitbart was selling fucking hats and shirts, if I recall. It engendered a wave of false patriotism that is saw in 2004 when Obama was elected. The fearmongering, which is really the most profitable industry here in the US, was on full display. Let me ask the community something, it took me a while to notice. When the last time you heard some shit about the Kaardashians? They uses to plaster those vapid bastards over the screen but constantly, they would be half of the clickbait. They would show up in my  general news feeds as well as my business and art feeds.

Whens the last time you heard some shit about Caitlyn?

Exactly.

Maybe it's just me, but everything took a back seat to the election and the subsequent 100 days. This is all they report on now, or tangential shit that pushes a particular political ideology.

Now, let me contrast that with the fact that this is the most "unpresidented' presidency so far, at least here.  There is indeed a lot to report on, on both sides, everything has been in rare form. But the obsession with Trump, it isn't like with Obama. Fox would shit on Obama, and constantly, but otherwise policy didn't make the news like it does today under Trump. People didn't give a fuck. Puff Daddy was dancing around in a cheap ass shirt telling us to 'Vote or Die'. It was Mad Max times.

But just like then, they were monetizing the voters. It's a cycle, really. Corporations and special interest groups make huge contributions to particular politicians and candidates, with the understanding that, if you make it, you will work towards making policy changes that benefit the master. This is the literal definition of politics nowadays. Ideology be damned. It cost money to be on TV, and you generally hope that someone doesn't come into the game with enough cash to fund themselves. They are probably corrupt.

And bit, I don't source anymore because I get tired of being told that a generally accepted news source is "fake". We are all intelligent, I simply need to point. If you need edification, search. That way, your opinions are your own. Due dullegencr is what I'm saying. Also, nothing changes if you don't believe me. I still have bills and shit.

Now, look at the hands that feed Trump. Or, if you perceive none, use my old trick, examine motivations through actions. The tax cuts, the health care,  the immigration policy, the war mongering (i never want to see a war, but, if yoy are goung to pull the thing out, plan to bang) they serve to increase profits in certain sectors dramatically over the next 4 years. Respectively, corps that have incorporated globally to reduce tax footprint, the insurance industry, the private corporations that run the prisons, and the military contractors that make hardware. Research yourself, examine the campaign contributions from these particular industries, and the interactions between lobbying arms or the corps, and Trumps people. It's very interesting. And when you you are done perusing that, look at how those companies are doing as we speak, vs the rest of the market. Again, quite interesting.

Also, see what you can find on Trump, Trump Towers,  and Russian investment, specifically from mafia figures. Nothing important, this is all in the past, but check it out when you can. It ties back into his claim of surveillance by Obama, and it's all very interesting.

Then look at Trump Towers, and some of the very questionable people that have invested in said properties. Oft, they come from despot govs, or are criminally affiliated in an old money/big way.

Which leads me to my final point, something to ponder. Have you considered the role of the drug cartels, the truly large ones, in the political lobbying process? If corps have learned they can buy their policies into being, what would a business do, with no governmental oversight? That's what I think happened here. Russian criminal families (the money is soo much more interesting the the 13 families), the criminal families from all over the globe, they are the new 'Illuminati'. Trump found a novel set of masters, ones we can't percieve so easily.