Topic: Urgent Warning: Gamdom fake unlicensed copy of games/ false Terms and Services - page 2. (Read 991 times)

I like that BitCoinTalk tells you when your posts are deleted. 
What’s being hidden here?
The reply in which the owner claims I was paid and compensated?
Sus
https://postimg.cc/ZWLPZxQk/655dbef4

I wasn’t trying to be rude or create an argument. 
Was just pointing out that they do have live chat, but it is rather new and like the whole site entirely buggy.
I’m not sure if their email address is monitored or manned,   I think the website just uses the same buggy scripts that they use for withdrawal attempts -
I’ve had a couple vague replies and a whole lot of nothing else. Lol

Thank you Yahoo.



> “This can all be easily verified and I’ll challenge him to message providers. The guy is just trying to ruin our reputation”

Easily verified?  
Never adjusted any potential outcome?
Verify it then. Because I’ve verified the opposite.; “It didn’t change because of your huge win it is another reason” “Gamdom don’t set it provider does” have you even seen the proof against you?
Why did this only affect at Gamdom, and no other website?
What was the reason for the change in max cap if it wasn’t coincidental against me?
Why claim now, there’s never been adjustment yet it’s proven, “out of Gamdoms hands, but provider changed it”

>

“He had to wait 36h for a withdrawal”
Hold on, I thought I withdrew the money the next day? Do you even remember your own answers you’ve given?
IF this was the case, where was I told? why does none of my contact with support mention this 36h wait while the “hot wallet was filled” instead the only mention about wallets is your staff stating “we’ve had streamers empty our wallets right now they’re being reloaded now” not once did anyone state “our owner isn’t actually here now, and all btc transfer runs through him please wait until he’s back”… “sorry, wallets won’t be filled until after the weekend due to owner being away” or why wasn’t I told “self exclude yourself until our owner is back with funds. You will not be able to withdraw until Monday”.  
 You’re mentioning this “holiday” now due to people asking for the hot wallet address. So they could have seen for themselves that your wallets weren’t emptied by streamers hitting millions. But left empty to stop winners from withdrawing.   And your accounts remained empty over the weekend due to you being away and not streamers hitting big and emptying the accounts.  
Could you please provide the address, correct address, for checking.  

*Proof there was no 20k in “compensation” bonuses. Not even $20k  IN TOTAL rewards over my entire account. Let alone any “compensation” claim.  Stop with the lies unless you’re backing them up Felix.
https://postimg.cc/JHRGtgVr/d5b09025

“He was given around 20k of rewards after which he instantly withdrew”
Absolutely shameless false claims.  This is the ruin you cause suicides (I didn’t mention I was going to kill myself - I said your exploits lead people to commit suicide.  My actions haven’t been wrong, you coming back with further already proven lies.  

Read the accusations against you, check the proof already put up, then come back with your facts Felix.


> “He had maybe an issue once but here are transactions”

Exploited by keep taking deposits, after stating to lock accounts for failed kyc.   Problem 1
BTC balance low, system notified.  Problem 2
Support repeatedly  telling me, “wallets were being filled up now” - whilst they wasn’t for over 36hours. Problem 3
Game potential changed after hitting. Problem 4
Live support lying to me, “Gamdom don’t control this” , “it isn’t against you it’s another reason”. Problem 5


Final question; are they the total deposits on total site over the weekend?

I didn't see the live chat button yesterday when I wrote my previous post in this thread, but there is one now. Maybe Live chat isn't a feature that is available around the clock, hence I couldn't contact them yesterday. Since yahoo62278 has now shared the casino's side of the story, it makes no sense for me to contact one of the live chat representatives and ask them to do the same. I have also not received a reply for the email I sent yesterday.

OK, as promised I wouldn't reply here until I had an official response from Gamdom.

Regarding their games and the claim of them being unlicensed copies, Felix's reply is below.

You can comment here simply that all our games are fetched from Hub88 and we don`t have any copies of games or ever adjusted any potential outcomes, this can all be easily verified and I`ll challenge him to message providers, the guy is just trying to ruin our reputation.


Regarding the scam accusation,

> Felix .:
he deposited roughly 120k, he never had over 200k balance, he had to wait 36h for a withdrawal so he lost initial moneys of what he had and then later deposited like another 100k and lost it, we were low on btc balance in the hot wallet at that time and I was traveling so I couldn't refill. He was given around $20k in rewards after which he instantly withdrew, no strings attached. We banned his account because he made it seem like he is going to kill himself and we didn`t want to have such a player on the website

> Felix .:
he had maybe an issue once but here are all his transactions

https://gyazo.com/f676763bca66bade51988474cc30b99d

https://gyazo.com/67a527c67ef9b5fd72ea07d98db70665

This is Gamdom's official stance on the case.

I too believe that this part needs more explanation (hopefully from Gamdom's or BigTime Gaming's side).

Here are the official Lil Devil GAME STATS from the BigTime Gaming website:

source: https://www.bigtimegaming.com/games/lil-devil

The same RTP can also be seen when we click on the "game info" icon on the Gamdom website:


source: https://cf-iomeu-cdn.relaxg.com/casino/games/lildevil/help/relax/LilDevil-Help-EN.html

So, the only place where the game shows a lower RTP (95.73%) is Gamdom's description below the game. I have no idea where that discrepancy comes from, but I assume that it is under the control of Gamdom casino. In light of this, I find it strange that Matt from support, upon being requested by the player, first claimed
"> Matt (02:50:47): Max potential is not decided by Gamdom though, it's decided by the Slot provider itself."
And then, two minutes later, stated:
"> Matt (02:52:16): The potential on that slot actually did not change because of you winning huge in it though, it's another case."

Of course, the information I have is not conclusive, but I find this very suspicious. Why would casino change default RTP and Jackpot Win Potential set by the game provider for just one specific game, and what's the "other case" that caused the change?

Really appreciate the time you’ve taken to respond to all these messages;
I also appreciate your stance on how you would have approached it yourself;

For the purpose of transparency these are the messages I sent to Yahoo;

“April 28th Hi,

My allegation against scamdom is from December - you’re right :
since I’ve not been able to withdraw since December.
I was the one to point this out, multiple times since many accounts saying “it’s not been 24 hours” / “give it 24 hours” / “allow time for wallet to fill”
Kept being told be patient were looking into this;

What can be said about Gamdom suspiciously changing its jackpot win potential on Lil Devil from 36,000x all the way down to 1336x ?! Whilst still allowing 36,000x potential on Final Countdown.  10,000x on White Rabbit. Etc etc.

Again, screenshots provided.  Check Imgur.

I understand you’ve built relationships with these people, but understand that I’ve been patient. I’ve waited, and subsequently been robbed of all winnings and my deposit since they won’t reinstate my win. 

Game paid fairly and was no foul play, balance was credited to my account. 

I’ve argued for my deposits back. Not even winnings. I literally asked for my own money back since I didn’t trust the activities I experienced on the site.  I was blocked by Gamdom for seeking advice from Ayzee and watchGamesTV (twitch streamers if you’re not aware)

If this isn’t fishy to you. You’re either paid by Gamdom and don’t wish to interfere due to your own contract agreements, then that’s fine.  But everything is backed up. 

All the times I’ve been ignored or told “moderators are checking into this” what would you do?    If there was people in there physical offices I’d have went there in January since a month is more than enough.  Honestly what would you do?   Allow i“

Along with pictures backing claims ^

“ Gamdom are scammers 100% … I’m curious why you’ve not added Gamdom to your current list of completed campaigns or running campaigns?”

“I contacted Ayezee as I signed using his affiliate and he confirmed to me he has issues and this is the reason he left Gamdom when he did.  Couldn’t withdraw large winnings.  Posted private conversations to Twitter to which Gamdom blocked me.”

- no replies from Yahoo, which is fair enough since he doesn’t need to. I wanted to clear up facts as I was ignored during my DM here.


May 6th;

“ > StonedTwat (02:50:19): If Gamdom wasn’t purposefully denying players
> of wins; why was this game manipulated and now altered to a max potential
> of 1,338x ?
> Matt (02:50:47): Max potential is not decided by Gamdom though, it's
> decided by the Slot provider itself.
> Matt (02:50:53): We have no control over it
> StonedTwat (02:51:10): That’s nonsense. The slot provider allows
> 100,560 x
> StonedTwat (02:51:22): same as your other BTG titles.
> Matt (02:52:16): The potential on that slot actually did not change
> because of you winning huge in it though, it's another case.
> StonedTwat (02:52:24): My vip manager shouldn’t be “filling”
> my wallets? My withdrawal should pend or I should be added to withdrawal
> address upon withdrawal request.
>
> This conversation doesn’t leave Gamdom much legitimacy in its false
> claims.
> StonedTwat (02:52:47): So, Gamdom has no control?
> StonedTwat (02:53:05): now you’re telling me there’s a different
> reason the slot has changed ??
> StonedTwat (02:53:55): This game showed potential of 36,000 same as
> other BTG titles on Gamdom only after winning was it now altered and
> you say Gamdom isn’t rigged against players?
> Matt (02:55:46): You were also playing on madam destiny & fruit party2
> & christmas bigbass bonanza & 5lionsgold etc, did all these slots change
> the multiplier? no, it was only on lil' devil, it was a random coincidence,
> it was not targeted towards you or anything like you think”

- followed by;

“ Finally replied about my 15,000x that was taken away
4 month investigation to come back with “random coincidence your other games are ok”

Also sent pictures to back those claims ^

Final message May 18th : “ Further proof Gamdom are exploiting players.
BitcoinForum seem to be waiting for you to make a comment on it”

The above was my final contact with Yahoo outside of BitCoinTalk.   And now that I realise that campaign managers aren’t the voice of the casino in forum, I stated “BitcoinForum seem to be waiting for you to make a comment on it”.    I made this statement thinking Yahoo was Gamdoms spokesperson.

In your opinion it is a little rant but others might see it differently and your little rant will not be excused by everybody reading this thread.

We all read and in most part understand your version of events but right now I am more interested in finding out what Gamdom have to say on this subject because until then I will find it difficult to accept 100% your accusations partly because of the lack of clarity and confusion in your earlier posts. I sympathise with you, I am sure others do too but you should calm down and appreciate any and all help you can get here and at the same time do not get frustrated with those that question you or do not believe you. Do not alienate yourself from those that trying to help you or support you.

From what I read, I think he contacted Gamdom about your situation and was told they owed you nothing. At the time he believed them over you but that might change over time, either way he has zero influence over Gamdom and it is that simple. Do not contact yahoo62278 again, he said he will post here to relay any messages from Gamdom if they get in contact with him.

I think campaign managers represent the companies or websites that pay them. They get paid for providing a service to companies and websites therefore they should be contacted in an event such as your case.

He did contact Gamdom, he received a reply from them saying you were maliciously attacking their reputation. He was told they paid you compensation. He believed them, after all Gamdom does not have scam allegations against it that I know of. If you were dismayed by what you perceived as a lack of help by yahoo62278 you should have asked him to consider requesting evidence from Gamdom to back up their claims but you did not. As advised, you should not contact yahoo62278 directly or indirectly, he said he will post any updates from Gamdom if they get in touch with him.

Anyway, the Gamdom signature campaign is over as of 16th May 2022. Maybe Gamdom will not be back here but in future if they ask any campaign manager to take on a new campaign for them, I am sure I will not be the only forum member asking that campaign manager to refuse to work with them until they provide a full explanation and response to your scam allegations. If Gamdom cannot come to this forum to defend their reputation against a serious allegation amounting to 4.29BTC they should avoid using this forum for signature campaigns too.

Personally, if it were me as their campaign manager I would have asked for evidence because I would have wanted to see if the hot wallet really was empty when you tried to cash out your funds. At the same time I would have asked for evidence to back up their claim they paid you compensation too. I would have asked why they reduced your 14,491x win to 1338x and asked why they seized your funds and closed your account because 4.29 BTC is too big an amount to ignore.

At that point if they provided enough detail to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were attempting to scam I would not have a problem continuing as their campaign manager but if I found any of their response suspicious I would have quit as their campaign manager immediately BUT everybody has their own opinion, there is no right or wrong way it is about opinions on how to handle an unusual scam allegation. He asked them what happened in your case, he received a reply and he decided to believe them and you cannot blame him because there is not a list of scam allegations against Gamdom.

I do appreciate Yahoo making initial contact.    I don’t however,  appreciate this as his public reply.  

“ Take a look at his screenshot from the Mod conversation. You'll notice the conversation is from December of last year. User tried to wd while hot wallet was empty. He was given some compensation for the wait and now is on some sort of crusade trying to hurt the casinos rep.

I wouldn't worry about whatever he has to post. He just keeps reposting the same screenshots and hoping the community gets joins his attack”  

I think this is personally insulting, since I’ve supported my claims against Gamdom, with evidence to every claim. Yet; Gamdom simply mentions in a conversation to Yahoo, that “op has been paid compensation and we refilled wallets” and he instantly sided with them and told others not to take notice of evidence.

This is why I (possibly wrongly) contacted Yahoo via telegram with direct proofs of everything, something that Gamdom has not and can not do.    Yahoo being pointed out to me as the campaign manager was the reason I contacted him directly on here -
Ignoring me after wrongfully stating that above, I wanted to correct him through personal contact.   Sorry if this wasn’t right.   Please don’t think I’m trying to argue with the user Yahoo, I’m simply stating he was wrong to make that claim since you’ve been provided with no proof, as it doesn’t exist.  

Excuse the little rant.  It’s not a small amount of money and I am severely frustrated with Gamdom at this point.



I thought campaign managers were casino reps, it was pointed out to me by another user that Yahoo ran their campaign here - at time of initial contact with Yahoo I wasn’t aware what a campaign was, let alone aware that yahoo ran campaigns on behalf of companies. This all came to me after - at the time I thought he was the official rep.

They have no official statement, not apology. 
It’s not the RTP being questioned;
It’s why was the game showing 36,000x now only capped to 1,338x

As other users have pointed out - the game would have stayed “maximum single round bet won” my win wasn’t even half of stated potential.  Shocking behaviour

What do you mean you are only the campaign manager? You are the direct link between gandom and this forum.. If someone joins while seeing the bitcointalk signature, you have no responsability to what you are the manager of the advertising?!?

Where is their official reply to this topic in months? Gandom is only a gateway for big time gaming, they can't lower the potential of a game, it's not possible, the game is tested with millions of spins with certain results and checked on the long term to have the theoretical rtp. If you lower the potential, the rtp is way less than the one advertised by them and that's SCAM! by every spin made by any player since the game goes on their site.

Absolutely correct, you had nothing to do with this issue at all because you were only the campaign manager for Gamdom and their campaign ended on 16th May 2022

After you contacted them, if Gamdom decided to not make any statement related to the scam allegation then that is not down to you. I hope the OP appreciates the fact you contacted Gamdom to let them know about this scam allegation because you really have no involvement in the case. The OP should not contact you via PMs or Telegram.

Though there is merit in what you say I think it is not impossible that the OP was scammed out of 4.29 BTC. He is adamant he had 4.29 BTC in his account when the account was closed and he claims Gamdom closed his account after he began complaining about why he was not being allowed to cash out.

What might have happened was he had 4.29 BTC account balance before Gamdom reduced the Lil Devil win from 14,491x to 1338x otherwise his calculations do not add up but for now, based on what has been discussed, I think it would wrong to dismiss what the OP is stating.

Let us not forget you mentioned in a different post that Gamdom told you they compensated the OP for the delay in topping up the hot wallet which made it impossible for him to withdraw his winnings and they deemed the matter closed. They did not provide you with any evidence such as tx id or hot wallet address which would prove the hot wallet was empty and would demonstrate they paid funds to the OP. As for the OP, he denies receiving any compensation or any funds from Gamdom including his own winnings.

Though you have no association now with Gamdom and have no control over what they decide to do in this scam allegation, they can settle this whole issue by making a statement to include:

- their version of events
- the hot wallet address so balance can be checked at the times the OP tried to withdraw and cash out, but was declined
- the transaction id which demonstrates they made a payment to the OP
- a full explanation why they reduced a 14,491x win to just 1338x after the event, after the bet was won

That is understandable and the correct course of action. The silence however on part of Gamdom in this matter is somewhat striking as they have not defended a serious scam allegation against them.

I am going to get in touch with the Gamdom casino support and see what they say when I send them the link to this scam accusation of yours.

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Edit: Gamdom doesn't have live support. But I sent them an email. I will inform the community if and when they respond.
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Gamdom does have live support. 
But yes direct them to this thread, as me and others deserve an explanation from their side. 
Public silence over direct claims of abuse and exploitation a casino should want to correct the “false claim” as a matter of urgency.  Not allow the matter to go on for months and not make a public comment. 

Guilty conscience

Don’t know if I’m telling the truth?
Terms of service state: “KYC at $2000 and $5000”.  Yet I was able to deposit $164,000.
Gamdom claim BTG at fault for their game, NOT one other site has any issues or Lil Devil now running  at a measly 1,338x yet they claim its the provider issue and not a coincidence for my huge win.  Yet all other casinos are experiencing no issues, BTG doesn’t publically state any issue with their games. Nothing.  Silence like the casinos giving now.

I was taught “Pictures say a thousand words and if you choose not to listen, that’s on you”. 
There’s a lot of claims against Gamdom and they’re a tiny casino what are you talking about?
Or do you mean on this website?   Thankfully Gamdom isn’t the biggest casino on these threads -

The reason I took to telegram since you ignored every PM, and public reply to you in threads.  When users are pointing out that you are the contact to the casino; and when the casino is apparently talking and misinforming you about my details.  I’ll correct you with proof.  Not been paid. 

As campaign manager, sorry former campaign manager what was your role exactly?
To deal with the casino as a go between for users and casino? Or just push as much traction as you can too that site that exploits terms of service to abuse players? Notably the false claims of KYC?

What Pmalek said is true, No amount of pressure on me will get you anywhere. I have nothing to do with your case. I said I would send a message to the team and try to have them reply, and I have done so. That's the end of my involvement in your case. When a person is trying to help you out you should say thank you, not pm them on telegram multiple times or try to ask people to "pressure" me on here. I didn't take anything from you so there is 0 pressure on me pal.

If I had an answer for you that would help you with your case, I would have posted it already or answered you on telegram.

I don't know if you're telling the truth or full of shit currently. I find it odd that not one other person has made any claim against gamdom that I am aware of. Usually when we see a scam accusation, we see multiple accusations against said casino.

I don't plan on responding here unless I have something to post from the casino.

I don't see where BigTimeGaming has claimed that they are investigating the problem. To be fair, the person you spoke to said he would get someone from the team to look at it. And that's it.

I don't think pressuring Yahoo will get things moving because he is not part of the Gamdom team. He is a campaign manager who was in charge of their signature campaign on the forum. A campaign that has ended in the meantime. If Gamdom decided to stop caring about their reputation or even scam you, I don't think they would care much about what Yahoo thinks about it either. Additionally, yahoo62278 isn't the one claiming you received your money. He responded to my questions and told me the things that the Gamdom team allegedly told him. So those claims originate from Gamdom and the casino owner.

I am going to get in touch with the Gamdom casino support and see what they say when I send them the link to this scam accusation of yours.

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Edit: Gamdom doesn't have live support. But I sent them an email. I will inform the community if and when they respond.

Yes I gambled away some of my winnings. $220,000 wasn’t the aim when I started playing.  $200,000 was the bottom line I had set once I achieved this. But the $23,000+ was game money. Yes. 

https://postimg.cc/gallery/08jq9Rf

Image board to Instagram Direct Messages with BigTimeGaming… 

“I already asked you how do you know that. Now I am asking again.”

Could you pressure Yahoo with the “have you got proof OP got paid” please?  I’ve yet to see any “proof” of any of Yahoos claims that Gamdom “paid me the next day”

So you did gamble away a part of your winnings considering that your account balance was $223.000 at one point, but when the account got closed it was down to approximately $200.000.

You said in one of your previous posts that BigTimeGaming has already started investigating. I already asked you how do you know that. Now I am asking again. How do you know there is an investigation ongoing, and can you post some proof where they told you this?

Thanks and I’m sorry for not being more specific which led you to questions you thought I hadn’t answered;

- deposited $164,000 within 24 hours
- over $223,000 at time of win, correct
- “hot wallet issue” be it low balance or the reverting back to player balance instead of “pending” until refill
- “max potential is set by provider not Gamdom.. we have no control over it”
- main account, and subsequent accounts where I’ve managed to talk to support are closed after the same final message “you can get or save this transcript right after the conversation has ended” then accounts banned.

BigTimeGaming can look into this; that is IF Gamdom are of course running legit versions of games. My accusation is that they aren’t though due to BTG having their available variable percentage RTP displayed and Gamdom is lower than the lowest -

Ok, I think I understand most of the issue now. It seems you are saying:

- you deposited a total of around $164,000 in the space of a couple of days
- you had close to $223,000 in your account after placing $10 and winning a 14,491x multiplier
- at the time they closed your account you had around $200,000/4.29 BTC in your balance
- every time you tried to withdraw over 4th 5th 6th December 2021 there was either a hot wallet issue or you were denied withdrawal

If all the above is correct then up to this point Gamdom owe you 4.29 BTC. Everything else that might have happened can be looked at later for now all that matters is you have made a claim of 4.29 BTC or $200,000 against Gamdom on the basis they credited your account with the 14,491x multiplier only to reduce it 1338x later. For Gamdom to close your account after you tried to withdraw funds and cash out and complain about the way they treated you has hallmarks of scam. The amounts involved are huge, it is understandable you are upset.


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The game currently shows "Win up to 1,338x your stake" https://gamdom.com/casino/Lil'-Devil_Big-Time-Gaming.

BigTime Gaming should be able to confirm what happened to their multiplier with date and time stamps. It is frustrating to see the Lil Devil game provider (BigTime Gaming) remaining silent after you contacted them.

Hi mate and thanks for this. 

Any chance of hearing more from you about contacting a Curaçao lawyer?

@high_today on telegram or I’ll keep up as fast as I can via this open thread. Thank you.