Topic: US Politics [serious discussion - please read OP before posting] - page 3. (Read 5799 times)

really crazy last month and right now pretty much all bad news for trump

he didnt want biden and if he got biden he was counting on it being close so that he could say they rigged it against bernie
for years he pointed at the stock market as proof for why people need to vote for him
he keeps saying corona is not a big deal and things are not going to get any worse

i was border line depressed when it looked like it would be bernie or trump.  so relieved right now bernie is all but gone.

I think this is a pretty good mixture of Trump having a very energized base and that he has so much support from members of the party. Plus the fact that he did send out many campaign surrogates, and used Iowa and New Hampshire as a dry run to see if they'd be able to 'get out the vote' when November comes. This was a show of force by the Republican party, and it was VERY successful.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/new-hampshire - NH was also VERY tight when it came in 2016, they may be trying to flip it.

This is also a way to get air time, as you get to throw this stat around and the media displays it everywhere as advertising for you.

It was more comparing to previous winning incumbent results than to other options on this election..

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Eddie, I didn't mean to delete your post of the NH Republican primary results.  Sorry about that.

I can't find the exact image you posted, but here are the results according to google.

Trump got a massive amount of votes in the NH primary compared to the past examples of votes for incumbents..
Shows excellent voter turnout for Trump by about double the last few incumbents, who all won..

Okay, how about he's a conservative and a liberal?

romney is a flag in the wind and a constitutionalist

Romney is not a conservative is one of the craziest things ive ever heard.
Hes always been a conservative. could say he was more conservative than either Bush.  are you saying he isnt a conservative because her didnt vote Trump not guilty?  That doe not make him not a conservative.

Fair.  The 'serious' part of the discussion has definitely been going down hill.  Since the impeachment is over, I changed the subject to US Politics and updated the rules a little in OP in hopes a civil discussion can continue.

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Please guys, at least make an attempt to consider each situation objectively ( ask yourself "would I have the same view of a specific situation if the parties were reversed?" ), avoid personal insults and responding to posts with political talking points from either side.


I don't like deleting posts, I'm doing it because there's obviously no intention of trying to have a serious discussion in these posts, not because I disagree with you.

Examples of things that will get your post deleted:

Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.

Yeah, the media (from left to right) + Trump hyped the shit out of it for 3+ years.  One side made it seem like Trump was just a Russian puppet and the other made it seem like Mueller had a team of angry democrats that would stop at nothing to end Trump presidency.

If you read the report, or the Russian indictments, you'll see there was actually a ton of other stuff going on, and they were able to figure out a very impressive amount of info on a group of Russians that were using every trick in the book to cover their tracks.   Trump just didn't want people to think Russia tried to help him get elected, even though they absolutely did, and he did a really good job of convincing millions of people to believe him.  

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

It's what I'm saying, and what about two thirds the population believe. Half because they're for Trump and have seen this going on for 3 1/2 years, and 1/6 because they have been engineering this nonsense from the beginning, and publicly said so.

It's all been right out in the open.

I know that's what Trump said it was about, but it really wasn't.  It was about Russian interference in the election.  There were suspicious links between Trump campaign officials and Russian officials that were investigated as part of that, and the final report had a big section on all the ways Trump tried to stop or interfere with the investigation, but it actually was not 'all about trump'.

You should read it.  Just check out the introduction and Executive Summary of part 1 if you don't believe me.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

It has been argued that the average American commits 3 felonies per day.

It has been well known that Russia, among many other countries, Ukraine included, has been trying to meddle in American elections for generations (the same is true for the US meddling in other country's elections). What you describe is what happens when you have an aggressive prosecutor pursuing every last technicality, and throwing the book at defendants with the hope they will 'flip'.

These are actually many of the same prosecutors who gave Clinton associates immunity deals in exchange for frequently nothing in the Clinton email server investigation. If these prosecutors were not political, everyone who received an immunity agreement in the Clinton investigation may also have been similarly charged as those who were associated with Trump.     

You mean the investigation that uncovered exactly how and who interfered in our election process, down to the bitcoin transactions and all of the different online identities the Russians used along with their real ones?  13 Russians, Trumps personal lawyer, his campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, National Security Advisor and a couple others that were part of his campaign were all indicted by grand juries and the Americans have either pled guilty or were found guilty by a jury of their peers.

How is that a flop?

The only reason anyone thinks it was a hoax or a scam is because Trump said so 10+ times a day for 2 years.  But it actually wasn't all about Trump the way he made it seem.  The investigation was into "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections".

I was thinking a better example of this would be calling anyone who disagrees with extremist liberal views a racist (or other '-ists'), or maybe when conservative commentators are the subject of constant smear campaigns, and serious attempts are made at silencing them by pressuring their advertisers into stopping advertising for the conservative commentators, and by putting pressure on social media platforms to banning, and de-monetizing their social media profiles.

What is probably the best example of an authoritarian at work is Hannity's reaction to Chris Cumo being called Fredo....oh wait...

He's never been a conservative. Although you could conjecture that his stands are the result of a political trying to give something to voters of all persuasions.

But why do you want to keep talking about him? He is done, over with. I hear the Utah house is close to censoring him for that little display in Wash. DC. The story isn't over, but it's over as far as any nation wide relevance or impact.

Authoritarians keep their power, and gain more, by abusing the power they already have.  They attack anyone who disagrees with them or threatens their power with harassment, smear campaigns, (sound familiar?) or worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_Vladimir_Putin_in_Russia

I don't see how voting to remove someone you believe is abusing their power to win an election makes you authoritarian.  Quite the opposite in fact.

Are you calling him 'liberal' as in it's just an insult you use, or do you actually think he is actually not a conservative?  

I'm agreeing. It's perfectly fine if he finally comes out of the closet as a sick, twisted, Authoritarian liberal a-la-Soros gender, and "votes his conscious."

He explained exactly why he voted the way he did.  I've already posted the video and transcript...

Some examples of what I consider unauthentic:

Every Senator that played the 'There isn't enough evidence, it's all hearsay' card, and then voted against receiving direct evidence.  If they thought the whole time it didn't matter at all whether he did it or not, why try to convince the country that maybe he didn't do it, and then back-peddle when given the power to decide on direct evidence?  Because they were just following orders, what they did or said was not a reflection of their actual opinion.

Especially Lindsay Graham who said "If you could show me that Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing" in October.

It's not a republican thing, it's a political thing, and I get that.  The democrats pull the same stunts.  It's very rare to see a politician stand up and basically sacrifice his political career and face an inevitable shit load of attacks from literally millions of people simply because it would violate his oath to the country not to, especially when it would be a million times easy to just shut up and fall in line.  But it seems like that's exactly what Romney did.  Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit and if he didn't have another 5 years left in his term things would be different...but I still don't see any personal upside to doing what he did, other than being able to sleep better.