Topic: User @Amph - sale of BTT account via PM! - page 2. (Read 827 times)

In telegram, I received a message from satoshi  Kidding. Someone impersonated suchmoon from bitcointalk and offered me a currency exchange which I was looking for but when I asked to PM me in bitcointalk they just disappeared and deleted the chat history. You know what, telegram, is the safe heaven for scammers. Always verify through bitcointalk. Why did you PM him if you don't want to sell the account? You may have an argument of a fake PM screenshot but I seriously doubt Lucius is a liar.

It was a win-win for the drama queen behind this: either you complain about Amph, or he complains about both of you.

Report it for what? It may be unsolicited for you, but Amph didn't know that.

Nothing, it's quite obvious.

@Amph: what's with the negative retaliation feedback? That's not how you're supposed to use the Trust system.

My guess is that the person behind everything wanted that screenshot to try to set me up by opening a new thread and accusing me of trading with accounts - luckily I was quick and reacted in time. Although even now some doubt that I have something to do with this, what would happen if I just tagged that account and reported that PM?

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Yes, it seems that I touched a hornet's nest because I dared to touch the operation of selling BTT accounts, which is a very lucrative business in which some, let's say, respectable members of this community also participate as escrows.

Last year I had a bad feeling and opened the next thread just in case -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/legendarydr-diordior-sirandre-alt-accounts-5418044

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What more do you need than the fact that he has already admitted that he did it? Not only did he try to sell his account, but he also turned out to be a fool who someone managed to get him to admit publicly and cast a shadow of doubt on me along the way. Someone had obviously been planning this for months, because it was necessary to find someone naive enough to do it this way.

Then there's the second option . Knowing that Lucius would definitely put a negative tag, the seller could be directed to him. The question is, "Where and when was the information about the sale of the account?" If this is a telegram group, then anyone could pretend to be Lucius. And the seller will naively believe that there is a buyer. If the information was only available to a few people, then @Amph should look for the "well-wishers" in his environment.

That's true, screenshots don't prove a thing. But maybe you can tell me: is this PM doctored or did you sent this?
So @Amph: Are you trying to sell your account?

That's possible. And considering the drama created by sting operations in the past, it makes sense they're not using their own name. Someone loves the drama.

I've done that a few times, but those were quite new accounts. In this case, Amph's negative feedback on Lucius more or less confirms it's real:
That Telegram screenshot asking for a screenshot makes it obvious someone has a different agenda.

If knows Lucius tags account sellers, it makes more sense to expect he'll tag this one too.

I've left negative and neutral feedback for asking to buy my account by PM years ago.

For some reason, it seems to me that someone wanted to frame Lucius. See how he has tagged several account sellers in recent days. Expecting Lucius to report about PM, the scammer wanted to frame him as a buyer in the hope that he could avenge the previous red tags and the failed sale.

I've been harassed on Telegram by a forum member in the past, and I think you're actually onto something here.  I don't doubt Lucius's claim that he didn't contact Amph on Telegram, and I don't doubt that Amph believes that he was contacted by Lucius.  There are some real sick drama queens here who just want to stir shit up.


That's a really good question.  I don't think that the Telegram user who was pretending to be Lucius has any ill intent for Lucius, but he didn't want to expose himself as the Rent-A-Cop, busybody conducting an immoral sting operation to expose accounts being sold.  Remember when bob123 did something like that got a shit-ton of grief over it?  I think that's what the mystery user was trying to avoid, while still being able to expose the account for sale.

Again, asking for screenshot of the PM that was sent is kind of a red herring.  Why would Lucius do that if he already got the PM?  He could have taken a screen shot himself, as he already demonstrated here in this thread.  It does lend some credibility to Welsh's speculation.

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As for account sales, it upsets me less than it used to be in the past.  Yeah, someone could buy a high-ranking, trusted account and use it to scam people, but anyone here with a high ranking, trusted account could go rouge at the drop of a hat.  Yogg, for example.  The best course of action is to be extremely careful when dealing with folks here on the forum, and assume that you could be scammed at any point by anyone.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that several high-ranking trusted accounts on this forum have been sold at one point or another, and none of us are even aware that it happened.

The forum does, I'm not saying to not report unsolicited personal messages, but reporting a message in hopes to get it verified publicly isn't going to fit in with the moderation guidelines, and therefore wouldn't be done. Of course, Lucius could've reported the personal message for being unsolicited, and I do urge users to report unsolicited messages.

Lucius probably did the right thing for their reputation announcing this to the public, and in fact seemed to be quite sensitive about providing the evidence of the personal message at first, since it's generally considered that personal messages are indeed that; personal. We don't know the intentions of the user on Telegram that was impersonating Lucius, or at the very least implying some sort of deception that they're Lucius.

The two users involved were both claiming right against each other, but what we should look into now is that was the account sold? Is there any evidence for such? Because from what i perceived here, the two of them may actually be working on the same objective to fish out account famers that uses telegram to conduct their illegal activities, but nevertheless why should we respond to mails or telegram chat we are not interested on? Also i think it's time the forum take serious with the sending of unsolicited PMs on the forum by users, what @Lucius could have done is to reported such PM to he moderator at first when he received such invite.

Yeah, I don't see too many users not believing you here Lucius. I wouldn't recommend risking your account security over this. Whether or not users want act upon the evidence supplied is up to them. Some already have. I absolutely wouldn't give up your account security. The thing is; you aren't just giving them temporary access, because undoubtedly you've got other personal messages; which means they could see those too which goes beyond the agreement, which is an invasion of privacy not only for you, but for the other users you've communicated with. I'm not saying the person you entrust with this responsibility will go prying through that information, but they might accidentally see it, which we can't just turn our brains off.

I don't doubt what you're saying is true, I'm more concerned about how the situation came about, since there does seem like someone is directing users to contact other users without any permission whatsoever. Almost, impersonation of you via Telegram.

Given the circumstances (he admitting sending you a PM, not willing to provide screenshots of rest of the conversations), I don't think that there is real need for you to do that. And I didn't get the impression that people don't believe you (I personally don't think that you would go through such a hassle just to entrap some account seller), its just that situation is kinda weird (I don't think I saw something similar before) so people may be a little bit more cautious before making the judgment.

It's really not necessary, it would be a mistake letting someone else into your account for something like this. Seems clear he sent it and I'm not sure why there would be doubt.

At the end of the day, the current owner of Amph is a user who is OK with account sales, and the forum technically allows it. But verifying a PM like this using such extreme lengths seems unnecessary, for both the reputable member and you.

He's only arguing that you tricked him in some form of entrapment, and that this makes you look bad for setting him up. There is no proof of this, and we don't even see the rest of the conversation in full context, so it's all assumptions and theories at this point.

Regardless of the fact that at this moment I cannot prove that I received a private message in which I am offered to buy the account in question here - I can only say that I am glad that at least someone on the entire forum does not think that I am someone who engages in such activities. I see that other members still have doubts, but if necessary, I am ready for one of the respectable members of the forum to get an insight into my account and confirm that the PM is real.

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I understand what you're explaining, but still just a simple confirmation that PM is real and that it's not about me actually being the one who did something bad in this whole story would be a perfectly normal move in these situations. Yesterday this happened to me, tomorrow it can happen to someone else, and the shadow of doubt remains if we do not clarify this situation to the end.


His explanations are at least at the level of a beginner who has no idea about some basic things, and the only thing he defends himself with is that I somehow fabricated that message, although he later admits that he did send the message. The evidence he presented in the form of a Telegram screenshot is plain nonsense and only proves how naive he is.





Given that we have a clear acknowledgment that @Amph sent a PM whose screenshot you can see, it is more than obvious that he admits that he tried to sell his account.

Just seeing the name "The Sceptical Chymist" should be enough for someone involved in account sales to realize they fucked up. "This is the moment" saga.

I'm not sure what the motive is behind request the screenshot on Telegram. However, the fact that they asked for the screenshot might indicate they don't know if the user did actually send the message, implying that a user is either trying to conjure some drama involving Lucius or in fact trying to not reveal their identity, and is asking account sellers to send these types of messages to DefaultTrust/DefaultTrust2 users.

Like I said, they're unlikely to get involved since it's not regarding forum rules. It's a community matter, rather than an issue from a moderation stand point. There's no real way of verifying the message exists without potentially compromising your account, which I absolutely don't suggest you do.

Although, it does seem like Amph hasn't exactly disputed they sent that personal message to you.  

Uhh... Forgive me to squeaking in with a rather confused tone, but why does it matter who sent what to who on the first place? I'm seriously asking here. I've tried to read the thread couple times and still couldn't see how it matters. The fact remains that Amph is willing to sell his account, as proven by his own evidence --self incrimination, that's rare.


Why is it still matter if Lucius is indeed TGing Amph first or it was someone else pretending to be him?

Fuck this, Amph is a member who's annoyed me with his drivel since I first registered here and frequented the altcoin section where he posted the most.  There's enough evidence here that he's trying to sell his account to justify a negative trust (which I just left).

Amph, whether you dump your account or not, good luck to you and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

Well if we are theorizing here, why would the telegram user request a screenshot of the PM (especially if he is claiming to be the owner of the account), he wouldn't need a screenshot. Telegram user could have been trying to setup Lucius for not posting about an account seller contacting him.. or maybe thought Lucius would try to buy it and they wanted the screenshot to post themselves in order to smear Lucius? *shrug*

edit: Regardless, it looks like Amph is willing to sell his account?.. to anyone that contacts him on telegram?

which doesn't make sense, the reason is because is trying to hide that he was him in telegram poiting his profile, to trick me and telling to send him a msg to create this topic, it's so straightforward it's not even funny


sure for no reaosn and out of nowhere i contacted u to sell my account, the only rewson is because you were the one of telegram asking for that


btw i'm not seeing that i didn't send that pm, i'm saying that he tell me to do so, to create this topic, that's my point

the liar is him that keep saying he didn't contacted me via telegram and saying all the stuff in that screen

PM has been reported to admins/global mods asking them to confirm its authenticity.

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Do you really think that I contacted someone on Telegram and asked to buy their bitcointalk account in such a stupid and naive way? It is clear to me what happened here, and I also have proof in the PM where I am very clearly and unequivocally offered to buy a bitcointalk account - and the person selling it claims that he communicated with me via Telegram without any concrete proof - is the proof public profile link which anyone can copy and place anywhere?