Topic: [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone - page 54. (Read 146348 times)

Quickseller often invokes this sort of rationale "it doesn't make economic sense to do __" in discussions.  What's fun is to look through his posts and see how the __ is often in contradiction to itself across time.  That is, he's happy to reason at one moment that some behaviour makes economic sense and then later that it doesn't.  What I'm highlighting here is that whether or not something makes economic sense is actually one of the hardest things to find agreement upon: thus the varying behaviour of people (both within and across).  Quickseller might argue, it doesn't make economic sense to scam, yet we find scammers, so it's not really valid to suggest that because QS says something doesn't make economic sense means that we won't find anyone doing it.

Here's the kicker, even if there was universal agreement about what does and doesn't make economic sense (which clearly there isn't), we have the problem on top of this that people are not rational.  Anyone who actually studies economics knows that the idea that people are perfectly rational agents who always act in their own best interests isn't true at all.  People act emotionally, irrationally, etc all the time, often against their best interests (economic or otherwise).

I don't know that this will help QS (logic and argumentation isn't really his strong suit), but it might help others here to avoid taking the bait when QS offers it.  The argument that 'X does/doesn't make economic sense' isn't intersting or valid if you're trying to support a proposition that people will or will not do X.  The official name of this logical fallacy is non-sequitur (doesn't follow).  For fun reading see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

Cheers!

I would like to confess that Quickseller is indeed my alt, as long as Timelord2069 and Shorena.

Thanks.


_{believe i found some connected accs, will post tomorrow.}

You must have changed your mind very quickly:

You are going to have to cite evidence if you want this statement to be credible.

Lol. I find it very ironic that someone who is clearly engaged in at the very least the purchase of accounts (and most likely the sale of accounts as well) is arguing against trading of accounts.

As shorena said, it doesn't make economic sense to scam/spam with a purchased account because that would mean loosing the money you just spent on buying said account. Doing this would more or less be throwing money away.

Im pretty sure quickseller is willing to disclose the accounts to, e.g. me and let me verify the numbers.


Lets go over them one by one.


This is "common knowledge", but there is no evidence to back this up. It rather looks to me like a few people voice their opinion on this loudly which does make it true. I personally have sold very little accounts (significantly below 10), but all joined a campaign afterwards and none where shitposters IIRC. This is from memory and might have changed as I didnt keep taps on them, but I can go through my trades and double check.

Further more it make no sense for someone that recently invested coins in an account to fuck that investment up by spamming. Thats not economically sound behaviour.


Its indistinguishable for those that do not know the account was sold/bought. Also, often certain offers are limited by rank. I remember there was a hardware wallet giveaway of sorts (you had to write a lengthy review) limited to Hero members. The rank itself has benefits which gives it prestige.


Not entirely, I still have a 4 second limit and occasionally hit it when reporting threads. As a Jr. the limit is still more noticable. I would say whether or not this is an issue for you, greatly depends on how you use the forum. I often open 5, 10 or more threads at once as each loads slowly. This can also cause replies to take some time. I remember that I had still issues with the limits when I was Sr., seldomly and it didnt bother me. I can see though how it might bother others esp. on lower ranks. Trades on "Member" or "Full Member" are probably more likely than Hero and Legendary anyway.


Donators are a very specific subset of accounts and while they come with even more prestige, they are also rare enough that the ancient users of the forum may know them by name. How easy was it for you to get a deal here when you first started compared to now? My first deals here, took time because no one trusted me. Now its easy - as quickseller also suggested - to have others go first, they often say things along the lines of "because of your trust/legendary I go first". We both know both can be bought, but you would also value an account with a higher rank as better collateral wouldnt you?


I read this more general and less specific to managing campaigns, but Im pretty sure at least one of the campaign managers besides Avi uses a bought account. I have given several examples above where rank allows for certain deals or makes them easier.



Now that you expanded on them its easier for me to reply to them.

He provided numbers without evidences which is IMHO easy to contradict (unless there is a list of the 135 accounts he sold and we can check his numbers are real)

you call "opinions" these ?

- Bought account for signature sake are largely considered signature spammers: the concept is, you are an excellent writer so i pay you to have my company logo on yoru signature. If you start from the other side (since you pay me to have your logo in my signature, i will try to be an excellent poster) it is at a very high risk of signature spamming.

- Being an Hero/Legendary is a prestige for the original owner only, not for bought accounts.

- the 360 seconds limit is remove by the moment you are Jr

I recently got this account because that idiot defaulted a loan: do you think i would have been reliable if i show up in the "restricted" area of this forum and continuing to post as i was the original owner? If not...how long do you think it would become a ridicolous situation?

Unless i'm missing something, the only sig camp manager with a bought account is Avi...he bought that account when it was Jr...he is now Hero...i think he deserves that rank, am i wrong?

Yes there are a couple of my opinions on those red lines you mentioned but....how can you consider NOT ARGUMENTS the red lines above. shorena?
~Gun

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My QS account has not been sold. Not that this fact has anything to do with your argument.

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Please dont give any evidence to back this up: you surely are the same troll you were as DT, aint ya?

Please don't give any evidence to back this up.

To add this alt to the below ring sazonk

Proof:
Same address used on different alts

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Sure, why not. I am in favor of free markets and less regulations. The prohibiting of certain types of trading and activity is unnecessary regulation.

Also, if you try to regulate (stop) account trading and farming, then all you are going to do is force traders and farmers to evolve so that their behavior is less obvious.

I listed a number of reasons why account trading is healthy/good here.

You are going to have to cite evidence if you want this statement to be credible.

The last exit scam that I am aware of involving purchased accounts was master-p, however that happened over a year ago. Another example of a successful scam involving purchased accounts was 'bitcoin black friday' (or something with a similar name). There have also been a handful of small scale scams involving the scammer getting very small amounts, possibly less than the cost of the purchased accounts used to scam. In the case of master-p, he was able to build up all of his trust starting from when he purchased his account, and I believe that the other accounts he used to help his scam were also being used by him for a long time, so one could argue that his scam would have been just as successful if he had created a new account at the time he purchased each of his accounts.

There have been a fairly large number scams involving accounts that were fairly clearly hacked (not purchased), there are probably a couple of these a week. Another pain point in scams/thefts has been imposter accounts, and this happened frequently enough so that theymos put a warning on every PM that newbies send. If you want to talk exclusively about exit scams, then both dicebitco.in and dice.ninja each ran away with millions of dollars worth of bitcoins, which is probably at least 10 times more then the total amount that purchased accounts stole in the past 3 years. maidak is another example of an exit scam that did not involve a purchased account. I believe there also have been one or two physical coin manufacturers that have run away with BTC stored in their coins somewhat recently.


edit:
on the topic of exit scams, I believe that the gambling site 'satoshi dice' has changed ownership several times over the years, however they are currently entrusted with several thousand bitcoin of other people's money, and appears to be acting honestly AFAICT

Accounts Connected:

[email protected]     -16: -4 / +0, BTCLOVER542 -64: -6 / +0, BTCGolddigger -4: -2 / +0


You can add BTCGolddigger https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btcgolddigger-771169 to the list with the same email:

http://archive.is/nkBTm#selection-496.1-530.15

I've done some updates; more will come tomorrow.

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@Timelord I'm not entirely convinced that QS is master-p (I still need to go through it one more time). However, there may have been a time where two (or more) people were acting as a group behind some of these accounts. You never know.

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P.S. Please double check whether a connection has already made before doing your investigation / posting.

A couple of pages back it was Gunthar who carefully sliced one sentence from a long missive,


Good old BadBear being quoted about quickseller yet again.

and then we have V.Lace again:


How did Vod get involved? Oh yeh you think I'm an alt.  No proof, just an accusation.

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I haven't read everything concerning quickseller / master-P (I have a life after all)

In this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17381020 http://archive.is/IWmbZ#selection-7779.0-7748.7 erikalui admits to being employed to create posts - something I wouldn't have thought of, so it'd not a stretch to suppose quickseller has a handful of staff he passes UID's to to manufacture posts, then takes them back to sell. (having boasted they'd sold 70 UID's in 2014 alone)

We only have quickseller's word that they sold an account - any of them,  yet here's actual proof someone sold quickseller a UID and s/he paid for that purchase with a wallet that master-P also used.

quickseller -112: -7 / +16 u=358020 is master-P -9999: -16 / +9 u=89329

And? What's the difference? Let's know who the sold account was then? He said he bought your account: which is not a false claim...but again if you prefer that red on the account that has been sold too....you are more than welcome!


Useless: just give out the sold one lol.
~Gun

Feedback is ok, he paid me properly.
But you don't need to be a brainiac to find out that I sold him other account not the current one.

1. At the time of posting this message

where I offered him account with 16 posts and potential full member I had already more than 200 posts and already was a full member.

2. I can still sign message of my btc address that I mentioned someday in the past.

Do not worry your time for looking for trouble will come to an end.  Vod and Tomatoecage Karma hit them in the ass and it will soon happen to you.  Vod had alot of time for this kind of shit your doing.  I do not have time to be on the forum everyday like you can.  but like I said Karma is a bitch.  I cant wait to they catch your accounts

Is it a false claim the feedback you left to mclovin too?


amacar1 -2: -1 / +0   2016-08-05   0.00000000   Reference   He bought my account, he sent first.

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So are you confirming with your own words (not only with facts) that you support account farming and trading (which leads 99% to exit scams)? If not...are you a witch or a witch-hunter?

~Gun (wannabee witch-hunter)