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legendary
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November 04, 2020, 04:45:21 PM
#32
You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.
That's concerning.
Indeed, and I'd like to hear from icopress about that.
This answer is for: suchmoon, Steamtyme and The Pharmacist, (If I missed something, let me know - I will fix it).

I don't have such a long posts history, so I looked through, (and I found three incidents that may have been implied).

  • Quote (source link was provided, but inaudible).
  • Full copy of one dead thread without source citation (but the title states that the thread is for bbcode parsing).
  • It may be about images (but their source is free photo banks).
  • Also in one thread the specified source was moved to the header.





  • WhiteManWhite DT1 said he would wait for a response from the moderator, as you can see he received it (but the tag is active).

I refrained from answering and from provocations from WMW until a response from the moderator was received, (The user was also notified). I will not publish any other insults here.

I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not.
Quote from: icopress
33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?
Quote from: mprep
AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.
Quote from: icopress
Thank you, can I quote you?
Quote from: mprep
Feel free.

  • After the notification, the WhiteManWhite did not remove the red tag, but added another one! Referring to the post I added to the title.

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November 04, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
#31
How many of us did he PM?   Wink

I received a PM as well.  Not sure what I'm supposed to say in response that hasn't already been said here in this thread.
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November 04, 2020, 08:55:02 AM
#30
This thread gets better by the post.

Now we have that sad old perv nullius complaining about getting trust abused.

Let's think about this.  Nullius account is resurrected to red tag cryptohunter for not even excusing plagiarism but simply saying making fun of their rather sad stories was in poor taste. Now nullius here again trying to defend plagiarism from icopress  after already debasing himself and looking like a total idiot and hypocrite defending laudas sneaky deliberate plagiarism.

He should have already a tag from every DT who should be holding nullius to his own publicly stated opinions on the use of the trust system.

Nobody can take nullius serious after that.  I mean that and stalking out and pestering members he considers may be female.

Everyone should be held to their own standards at the very least.
Icopress is clearly another spaz who thinks he can give out red tags for any reason he wants but requires others to spare him red tags for clearly far more serious " evils" than being ignored by a bunch of scammers and scammer protectors.

Lol these threads are more hilarious by the day.

These weasels are crying about being treated a lot better than they treat others? Go cry to momma icopress you pathetic hypocritical gimp. Bring some real gripes where people are treating you any worse than you treat others

Only icopress is allowed to use red tags for personal retribution folks. Same for that pervy ugly old turd nullius.
I'm using a special method to transform their tears into lube. Feels lush. Splat.


Btw Lfcbitcoin is a proven liar and proven bitch that will say what lauda or likely icopress tells them too so you can ignore that twat.

Ask lfcbitcoin if he thinks giving red tags for

1. Saying it is in poor taste to make fun of peoples reasons for copy and paste
2. Being on ignore lists.
3. Undeniable proof of telling lies
4. Bribing people and abusing the trust system
5  scamming?

You will find his answers very amusing.

Let's hear them?

Most of the twats here deciding if Whitemanwhite is allowed to use red tags in a far more sensible manner than they are shouldn't even be in positions of trust in the first place.

Don't believe me then ask for evidence you can confirm for yourselves.

Not one person here claiming what WMW has done is wrong would be able to defend their post sensibly in light of their other actions.

Lfc bitcoin has given out red tags to this account for telling the truth?? Lol is that allowed lfcbitcoin?
Want to deny it?
Bring your argument here for me to eviscerate.

The end result is WMW is fully entitled to red tag for any reason he wants like the other DT members do and his reason is far more valid than theirs. If you want to make fair comparisons.

We can do that now if you're still not clear.  
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November 04, 2020, 08:36:20 AM
#29
OK, I may have a certain level of bias because I have a good relationship with icopress but after looking through everything I just think red tagging for plagiarism of a bunch of pics is ridiculous. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody accused of plagiarism for posting photos/pics before. icopress wasn’t trying to pass it off that the photos were taken by him so plagiarism it is not.

The majority of us have posted pics/photos that we didn’t personally design/create on the forum.

See below -



WhiteManWhite red tagging icopress for supposed plagiarism is against what the trust system is designed for. Trust ratings left are personal & subjective but you can’t not trust somebody because they posted some photos, it’s ridiculous. How is trading with icopress a risk based on posting photos?

DERP!

WhiteManWhite, I suggest you be mature about this & remove the red tag you left icopress.

Thanks.
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November 04, 2020, 06:29:36 AM
#28
News:  WhiteManWhite has abused the trust system by issuing negative feedback for insults.

I have been awarded a red tag for speaking an insult worthy of a Russian TMAN!

Summary:  I told WhiteManWhite that a dog has fucked his mother.  Because I am a literary artist, I did so using an “old-fashioned”, archaic form of common slang. [...]


Пёc ёб твoю́ мaть.  [‘A dog has fucked your mother.’  Archaic form of a common expression that only means, “fuck your mother”.]


Just call me old-fashioned.



On the Wall to End Walls

Not sure why all of those so-called plagiarized posts by icopress is still there...
- AFAIK, it should be counted/reported as off-topic/spam since it has nothing to do with Wall Observer's thread [unless I'm missing something].

Yes, you are missing something.  Please don’t opine about the Wall Observer unless you have been there.  (And don’t bother the forum moderators with noise reports over this.)

WO is a sort of a forum within a forum.  It is “self-moderated” by a theymos-appointed user whose position is tantamount to unofficial staff.  Most of the posts there are way, way off the topic stated in its OP.  It sort of has its own rules, which can only be discovered by lurking there for awhile.

Fascinating fact:  A few years ago, Lauda was a candidate for the Wall Observer’s “self-moderation” office that was won instead by infofront.  Due to Lauda’s putative womanhood, her nomination triggered an insane tirade by r0ach—whose posts more usually consisted of theories about how the Jews invented Bitcoin to scam you.  LOL.

I myself have a reputation for posting classical and neoclassical nude sculptures and paintings—intentionally without overt identification, because people unmitigated savages who are too lazy to figure it out just don’t deserve to know; e.g.:

Always timely.


N.b. that the forum’s “NSFW” rules do apply on the Wall; fine-art paintings and sculptures are not “NSFW”, and I have always posted those anywhere that they fit the topic.  My point is that it’s not “off-topic” on WO—not any more than all of the many posts by others of photos of women in bikinis or lingerie.  It will take you awhile to understand what can be posted there.

I think that icopress’ posts fit in well on the Wall.  :-)  —And if he were to wind up annoying anybody, then he would probably just get one of these:

250 btc buy wall on stamp @10550

sorry for off-topic


Thanks.  I’ll save that for everybody who ever mentions, among other things, the American reality-TV “election” show—about which I was working on a P&S meta-complaint, when I delved into a minor tangent on Antifa.

That animated GIF is completely unattributed!!*  Toxic2040 must be banned!!!

* Damn it, fellas, please do pour on some “sauce” unless you are trying to make a puzzle...
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November 04, 2020, 05:07:59 AM
#27
A couple of things here:

  • Red trust for plagiarism is probably unnecessary unless it involves something else that is scammy - e.g. shitbumping scams with plagiarized content. Plagiarism should be reported to moderators.
  • You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.

When you see nullius now defending copyright or plagiarism you can smell icopress is either lauda or nullius alt.

Icopress himself uses the trust system for personal vendetta. I posted on his shitty awards thread and he then gave me a red tag for... being on peoples ignore lists? Lol

Then comes crying someone else has correctly noticed he is using on many many different occasions many many examples of other peoples work with no references at all.  These were not intended for his use or purpose.

So he is a hypocrite and pathetic cry baby duplicitous weasel who looks shady and by his own standards clearly meets the threshold for red trust.

If you see nullius defending someone that is usually the gold standard to tell if they are dangerous and high risk.
I suspect this icopress is lauda or nullius. Look at his prior posts they stink of lauda.

He deserves red tags by his own standards of giving them out.
Let him live by his own standards. 
legendary
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November 04, 2020, 02:25:10 AM
#26
Here as well after icopress's PM...

I'm not going to comment in regards to whether it was a plagiarized post or not since other users did a great job at giving detailed explanations but I would like to point to two things...

  • All of this began with a simple misunderstanding on WhiteManWhite's part on two occasions:
  • Not sure why all of those so-called plagiarized posts by icopress is still there...
    - AFAIK, it should be counted/reported as off-topic/spam since it has nothing to do with Wall Observer's thread [unless I'm missing something].

None of these dramas would happen if all of us could practice having an impartial view of the surroundings.

Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?  I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2.
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legendary
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November 04, 2020, 02:03:09 AM
#25
Just call me old-fashioned.

I'd rather call you traveller Wink Grin "Dorozhnaya" for you.

https://youtu.be/VVkwoY6dQFo
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November 04, 2020, 01:45:23 AM
#24
Whoops

You don't follow the of information stream,

= I am busy, and a common злoдeй such as you is not worth following.

I've chewed it all up for you, you just have to swallow it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55514902
You may need to use a translator, but I'm doing it Wink

Пёc ёб твoю мaть.


Just call me old-fashioned.
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November 04, 2020, 12:53:45 AM
#23
Whoops

You don't follow the of information stream, I've chewed it all up for you, you just have to swallow it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55514902
You may need to use a translator, but I'm doing it Wink
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November 04, 2020, 12:07:32 AM
#22
Whoops.  My apologies for continuing the off-topic discussion on the plagiarism report thread, an important resource which should not be cluttered with this.

My initial reply thereby is too long to quote here reasonably.  It is relevant.  Now, since WhiteManWhite is copying his nonsense between threads...

Guys, you are probably not paying attention to what I wrote earlier about the correspondence with the photos owner.

- Please tell me, can I use them for republication on other resources? I will need to use the link to your resource as the original source and author?
- yes, please link to the original source www.dietmareckell.com and claim copyright holder: © Dietmar Eckell

This was not done!
What else do I need to explain?

You are probably not paying attention to anything that I said, or that LoyceV said—or to common sense.  In summary:

  • Alleged copyright issues are altogether off-topic in this thread.
  • Failure to use and cite sources appropriately is tangential to the topic of this thread.  The issues are distinguished in the CWPA Statement of Best Practices that I quoted above; the CWPA is an American academic association, so I think that their standards should suffice for the forum.  I myself think that icopress should provide better attribution, if and where feasible.  I hereby advise him accordingly, without demanding that he be banned for making a WO pic-post that is no worse for attribution than numerous other such posts.  (icopress, if the photographer is known and has a website, or if this information comes to be known, then please take a few moments to verify it, and add a name and link as a matter of custom and courtesy.)
  • The Wall Observer, where icopress posted, has numerous images posted to it without attribution, or with inadequate attribution, by people who obviously don’t claim to have produced them.  If you want to make sure that these images are all properly attributed, including every cat photo and animated GIF (inasmuch as sources can even be found—as oft they can be, with considerable effort*), please feel free to make a new Meta thread about this.  (And if you ever want to harass me over my intentional habit of posting more or less famous public-domain artworks, without too-overt identification for the benefit of lazy rubes, then I will tell you to пoшёл нa xyй.)
  • Your motive for bringing a false plagiarism accusation is transparent:  29 hours after icopress credibly accused you of being involved in multi-account abuse of the Default Trust system, you came here and declared:

    Formatting is in the original:
    For this serious violation, this user should be banned

    A valid accusation should be evaluated on its merits, regardless of motivation.  But given that your accusation is invalid and meritless on its face, it is obvious that you targeted icopress for revenge, carelessly cast about for something to throw at him, and then abused this thread for your grudge.  You are lying when you say this:

    I am sure that I do not look at any past merits, it is the user who should suffer the punishment they deserve. The rules are the same for everyone.

That is bad.  I suggest that you should stop it.


* I once identified the original source for a photo that I like, after five hours of persistent searching—and sifting through the numerous blogs and photo sharing sites where it had been re-re-re-posted for years without attribution.  Reverse image search engines brought the mountain of re-re-re-posts up to the top, and dropped the original source into an abyss of obscurity.  Sometimes, I have given up.  :-(



Redirected from the other thread, where it is off-topic:

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I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not.

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November 03, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
#21
We are losing the thread of this contention. What are we going to do about it?

Guys, you are probably not paying attention to what I wrote earlier about the correspondence with the photos owner.

- Please tell me, can I use them for republication on other resources? I will need to use the link to your resource as the original source and author?
- yes, please link to the original source www.dietmareckell.com and claim copyright holder: © Dietmar Eckell

This was not done!
What else do I need to explain?
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November 03, 2020, 09:34:41 PM
#20
I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for.

That's the difference between how many DT1 members include or exclude that user. If strength is 0 or more - the user is in DT, if it's negative then not in DT. So if that number is not accurate then the whole list might be inaccurate... that's why I said I'll need to double-check it.

Edit: it's probably accurate but at the end of the DT2 list there are DT1 members shown with "0" strength. That's what looked suspicious to me. I don't think they should be there. But otherwise the lists seem to be fine. Carry on Smiley
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November 03, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
#19
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Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite

Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate.
I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for.
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November 03, 2020, 08:36:16 PM
#18
I think bpip.org has this
- DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
- DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later.

Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite

Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate.
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November 03, 2020, 08:25:37 PM
#17
....Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?  I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2.
I think bpip.org has this
- DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
- DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later.
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November 03, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
#16
I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP.  It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view.

I don't take offense to people from the Internet, it would be stupid Smiley And I've already started getting a red trust for myself, it's so cool Grin
But his statement, the way he prepared it, showed it, and the time spent on it clearly indicated a veiled accusation.

Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?

Yes, it is.
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November 03, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
#15
This looks like an issue of negative feedback being left for posting an image from the internet and considering that plagiarism.  I don't agree with that, and it isn't even necessary to leave a neg for an outright plagiarist of the written word (though I don't consider it a major transgression if one is left).

What is this rude response by WhiteManWhite?  I can't read Russian.

I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP.  It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view. 

You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.
That's concerning.
Indeed, and I'd like to hear from icopress about that.

Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?  I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2.
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November 03, 2020, 06:55:27 PM
#14
How many of us did he PM?   Wink
Vod, 6-7 (Only those whose judgments I trust)  Wink
Vod
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November 03, 2020, 06:49:39 PM
#13
Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will.  Give me a few hours.

Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro.

How many of us did he PM?   Wink
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