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Quote from: squatz1 on August 24, 2018, 09:22:37 PM

You missed the part where this isn't the 'real socialism' and that they failed in their 'development' and the 'wrong people are in charge'

People don't understand that this is what a government FULLY entrenched in socialism is a government that is ALWAYS going to end up like Venezuela.....

That's very perceptive.

Socialist nations make progress when they move AWAY from socialism.

Even Cuba, today, does not ban the accumulation of private wealth. Both China and Russia support private capitalism. One may not like the Russian gangster version or the Chinese version, but they have moved FAR from socialist principles and ideology.

After the Venezuelan people restart their economy, if they still want leaders who promise them free stuff, it's pretty hopeless.

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You missed the part where this isn't the 'real socialism' and that they failed in their 'development' and the 'wrong people are in charge'

People don't understand that this is what a government FULLY entrenched in socialism is a government that is ALWAYS going to end up like Venezuela.

I do hope that they go down in flames, and I really do hope that people learn from this -- though I don't know if this is going to end up being the case. It always seems to end up being that people are going to say that this isn't the 'real way' and they're going to try it again somewhere else. It's usually a nation that was beautiful and booming before too, sad.....

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 24, 2018, 03:02:08 PM

Quote from: KingScorpio on August 24, 2018, 02:37:28 PM

a state consists of two things

a willing active and engaging population and a relatively passive government

in venezuela both parties dont trust each other and dont work with each other, but look for foreigners to help them. so its a form of a broken society.

a huge shame is that venezuelans power now crappy cryptocurrencies like dash with their lives....

Unfortunately, I do not say that it is the whole society. In Venezuela a saving Messiah is still waiting.

Someone external, come, solve problems, be fast, not cost them and in the end leave them better than they are now.

Everyone aspires for another to come and resolve, but never sacrifice anything.

If we can call that a failed state, well yes it is.

Neither the government is so bad, nor the opposition is so good, in the end, mediocrity is that Venezuela does not finish taking a course, whatever, but that generates at least the necessary calm for the country to develop.

the country is developed people have to run their economic infrastructure. foreigners dont do anything else but either. use the venezuelans as workers.

or just settle there and run their own economic output if the venezuelans dont support their currency or cant trust their banksters. to run their currency well then venezuela will be passivly ruled by a foreign country. same as it was with the russians and the us dollar when the soviet union collapsed.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on August 24, 2018, 02:37:28 PM

a state consists of two things

a willing active and engaging population and a relatively passive government

in venezuela both parties dont trust each other and dont work with each other, but look for foreigners to help them. so its a form of a broken society.

a huge shame is that venezuelans power now crappy cryptocurrencies like dash with their lives....

Unfortunately, I do not say that it is the whole society. In Venezuela a saving Messiah is still waiting.

Someone external, come, solve problems, be fast, not cost them and in the end leave them better than they are now.

Everyone aspires for another to come and resolve, but never sacrifice anything.

If we can call that a failed state, well yes it is.

Neither the government is so bad, nor the opposition is so good, in the end, mediocrity is that Venezuela does not finish taking a course, whatever, but that generates at least the necessary calm for the country to develop.

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 24, 2018, 02:26:59 PM

Irony? I'm going to tell you something, the Monopoly game, part of the principle that up to 8 players can play, and each one will receive 1500 units, and its equivalent must have the bank, so the game, in tickets, has a maximum equivalent of 24,000 units in different denominations. that game is sold in Venezuela for 20,000,000 Bs, so each unit that comes in the game is worth more than a bolivar, so it could be used as a currency in Venezuela.

a state consists of two things

a willing active and engaging population and a relatively passive government

in venezuela both parties dont trust each other and dont work with each other, but look for foreigners to help them. so its a form of a broken society.

a huge shame is that venezuelans power now crappy cryptocurrencies like dash with their lives....

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Irony? I'm going to tell you something, the Monopoly game, part of the principle that up to 8 players can play, and each one will receive 1500 units, and its equivalent must have the bank, so the game, in tickets, has a maximum equivalent of 24,000 units in different denominations. that game is sold in Venezuela for 20,000,000 Bs, so each unit that comes in the game is worth more than a bolivar, so it could be used as a currency in Venezuela.

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A "funny" fact is that the currency (Bolivar Venezuelan) is currently worth less than the in-game money of the massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) by Blizzard Entertainment: World of Warcraft.

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 23, 2018, 03:30:55 PM

Definitely what happens in Venezuela is a case study, it is incomprehensible what happens here....

This is not the first time.

The German hyperinflation of 1921-1922 is detailed in an excellent book which is available online, "Dying of Money."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1959317.Dying_of_Money

There is also a fiction story by a rather famous writer, "The Black Obelisk" about three young guys trying to live in those times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Obelisk

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 23, 2018, 03:30:55 PM

Definitely what happens in Venezuela is a case study, it is incomprehensible what happens here, what I think happens is that it is a great laboratory of socialism of the era we live in, it is a testing ground.

It is incredible that after the earth movement that there was, in Venezuela there was not even one wounded, thank God, because there is no way to deal with a problem of a certain magnitude.

What is true and surprising, is the attitude of the people, worthy of study and capable of driving anyone crazy, but I think it would be a topic for a new post, because it is inexplicable, while all this happens, while they devalue the currency, it trembles In all the territory, three zeros are removed from the coin, there is a giant inflation, the traffic to go to the beach the weekend was incredible and I was invited last Saturday to a very big party.

I will try to summarize a bit of this social madness in another article, but the summary is, in Venezuela what happens happens, because society is not up to the events.

the central banksters, and the gay army and police men around them are living on venezuelan oil reserves. instead of the foreign corporation that seized the oil of the country, now they do that.

this is the consequence you got. they are what is left of venezuelans xenophobia. that was pointed on foreign corporations that were active in that region.

@MbyzIco are you a venezuelan?

but dont worry this will never end, if you remove them someone else will be in their core and centre the ressources on those that are powerful and can hold it

you know che guevaras travel through south america? you should check it. its an old movie about the 60ies there you see where the hatred came from that foundades the current governments in latin america.

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Definitely what happens in Venezuela is a case study, it is incomprehensible what happens here, what I think happens is that it is a great laboratory of socialism of the era we live in, it is a testing ground.

It is incredible that after the earth movement that there was, in Venezuela there was not even one wounded, thank God, because there is no way to deal with a problem of a certain magnitude.

What is true and surprising, is the attitude of the people, worthy of study and capable of driving anyone crazy, but I think it would be a topic for a new post, because it is inexplicable, while all this happens, while they devalue the currency, it trembles In all the territory, three zeros are removed from the coin, there is a giant inflation, the traffic to go to the beach the weekend was incredible and I was invited last Saturday to a very big party.

I will try to summarize a bit of this social madness in another article, but the summary is, in Venezuela what happens happens, because society is not up to the events.

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Quote from: NadiaHel on August 23, 2018, 12:59:06 PM

Quote from: MbyzIco on August 22, 2018, 11:36:50 AM

Quote from: MbyzIco on August 21, 2018, 11:13:07 AM

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

Ufff I heard the news!!! Are you OK??
I think this is too much, I don' t know how much a society can take without exploding into a civil war. Do you see it possible? A civil war is coming?

jes there are many reasons, main problem in that society is that a part wants to live on the back of the other part.

stupid venezuelans think that capitalism will feed and make them rich, but they are wrong capitalism will like in russia simply remove all rewards for those not in the capital core of the structured economy. and make a small group of mainly foreign capitalists rich (usdollar) forcing venezuela to earn their paper recktangles to obtain consumption capacities.

now, foreign capitalist might do their job better than venezualan capitalists. but there are still questions open. in the end venezuela has had its independence movement from the european colonisation for a reason.

now they are suffering under it. its an extrordinary irony that venezuelans are spiting on their boliviar now.

regards

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 22, 2018, 11:36:50 AM

Quote from: MbyzIco on August 21, 2018, 11:13:07 AM

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

Ufff I heard the news!!! Are you OK??
I think this is too much, I don' t know how much a society can take without exploding into a civil war. Do you see it possible? A civil war is coming?

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 21, 2018, 11:13:07 AM

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

I do not say things like these again, I just said it, and yesterday in the afternoon was an earthquake of scale 7...

Definitely, someone is playing JUMANJI and the game is not over yet.

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petro sounds like a grave nail on boliviarsindependence movement several hundred years ago

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Venezuela today has dawned with one of the most confusing economic situations, never before seen by these sides, it happens that in an arbitrary move, the president of the republic (although I refuse to give him that title, it is only referential) has anchored the economy to a cryptocurrency, it sounds for the crypto enthusiasts, within which I count, it would sound like good news, but it happens that it has anchored a new monetary cone, which is the result of removing 5 zeros from the currency, product of inflation, anchor the PETRO cryptocurrency, which is protected by untapped oil reserves. with a minimum salary increase of 5,000,000 Bs to 180,000,000 Bs. and an increase in exchange rate of Bs per dollar from 200,000 to 6,000,000.

Venezuela is convulsed since yesterday, traders do not know whether to open their doors, while entrepreneurs expect to see how things unfold, what there is is uncertainty and that is accompanied by seeing how all bank accounts were removed from the 5 zeros

Caracas remains empty waiting to understand, to see what is done.

I would like to tell you that I will continue to inform you of what is happening, but I do not know what else could happen and if I could do it.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 20, 2018, 09:44:45 PM

Quote from: KingScorpio on August 17, 2018, 08:01:21 PM

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us capialism is currently also collapsing...

Ah, no it is not.

entire post dollar movement is end of us capitalism.

venezuela was always differant than russia or china.

it was a communist movement. that was anti western corporations

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Quote from: KingScorpio on August 17, 2018, 08:01:21 PM

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us capialism is currently also collapsing...

Ah, no it is not.

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Quote from: MbyzIco on August 16, 2018, 03:23:47 PM

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It is really useful to read a thread related to the daily life there in Venezuela. One of the biggest interest of History is to analyze the daily life of the subjects of a society. So your contribution is not only amazing but also really useful in terms of history.
Sometimes I wonder why we don't discuss more such kind of matters here in the forum. I think we are forgetting all the time that this cyber place is full of people from all around the world. Even when it was meant to be a site to discuss bitcoin, one of the goals of its creation -the bitcoin creation, of course - was precisely to decentralize humankind, ok, yes, the economy, but isn' t knowledge a direct information part of an economic system?

So thanks for that. I guess this is not easy to speak so openly about your daily nightmare. But you are contributing to the decentralization of information in the world by doing so. So, again, thanks.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 17, 2018, 07:28:14 PM

Quote from: KingScorpio on August 17, 2018, 06:46:44 PM

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

Soviet socialism was much like Venezuelan and even worse... rampant corruption, completely distorted market, totalitarian oppression, massive propaganda to keep the population in the dark and in constant fear of imaginary enemies. Propped up by enormous natural resources and still managed to collapse.

I don't know much about China but it seems to be embracing a lot more of the capitalist perks and it has far outlived the Soviet Union so they must be smarter than Chavez or Stalin.

soviet socialism was constantly busy building weapons protecting itself from imperialists in the usa.

us capialism is currently also collapsing since its constantly abusing the masses of the population. by a small elite sitting in the central banks

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Quote from: KingScorpio on August 17, 2018, 06:46:44 PM

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

Soviet socialism was much like Venezuelan and even worse... rampant corruption, completely distorted market, totalitarian oppression, massive propaganda to keep the population in the dark and in constant fear of imaginary enemies. Propped up by enormous natural resources and still managed to collapse.

I don't know much about China but it seems to be embracing a lot more of the capitalist perks and it has far outlived the Soviet Union so they must be smarter than Chavez or Stalin.

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