Topic: Venezuela, a fable about socialism. Part 1/2 - page 3. (Read 677 times)

the point here is that he labels venezuala as socialist, but its not socialist, in its organisational form,

venezuelas mistake was that is just distributed its earnings from oils instead of investing them to develop income sources for the population structuring their economy, in the long term

we have a similar problem in the developed west today, because established property owners of income sources have no desire for the rest of the population being able to obtain income sources they want cheap and needy salary slaves. they even tear down income sources like real estate to increase the prices limit the supply so the population that works for money is even more imprisioned.

chaves thought short term, and maduro and his military tops think even more short term, they give a damn about the majority of the population and try to survive somehow.

a socalism of that way is doomed to fail. chinese or soviet socialism/european was very different it was focused on the development of value sources, even if not very efficient.

socialism was created because there was large scale abusal of the working population beforehand. the united states never had to be socialist as it had an abundance of ressources that europe never had, europe always was forced to ship them in needing soldiers, armies etc.

regards

Pure "capitalism" or "socialism" or "communism" doesn't exist anywhere. Even NorK has "entrepreneurs" trying to survive under the brutally oppressive regime, and on the other hand an idealistic libertarian society can't exist because poor people dying on the streets would smell really bad after a while so the state is forced to take some action to provide basic safety net and other social(ist) services.

However a nearly-failed authoritarian regime like Venezuela does come very close to pure capitalism... except the remnants of the regime are distorting the market with stuff like cheap gas and free subway.

Thanks for the write-up MbyzIco.

well then do capitalism and work for the central bank of maduro.

capitalism is basically obeying and trying to earn money, but the central bank then decides for what there is money. good luck living in a society in which the central bank doesnt has any social goals.

you then have to hope to be born into the central bank running family or you are the central banks slave.

just look at zimbabwe? it is also capitalism, there is no form of socialism you either earn simbabwe dollar or you die. now make a video about the economic success of zimbabwe's capitalism

Do not worry, that is why we have learned a lot already at the world level, communism, socialists change to win elections, then shows his gifts of totalitarianism and finally in its final phase resembles classic dictatorships. but the funny thing is that when they fail, no matter what they call them, there they say that this was not the true "socialism" or that it was simply misapplied. Simple excuses to justify that in other states, at other times or with other tools, the favorite model of the bourgeois Marx is rehearsed.

>Maduro is your capitalist

What am i reading? Venezuela is a classic case of a failed socialist state. A lesson to be learned for the world... AGAIN

That's ridiculous. It seems like they're just getting deeper and deeper into a pit that will have to come to and end. This can go on forever. They're just delaying an inevitable big change. I don't completely understand how all this works, but I agree with KingScorpio. This sounds like capitalism. It's just capitalism gone wrong I suppose. This reminds me of another thread I read here about mining in Venezuela. You confirm what I originally thought. Even if you can get the gear in Venezuela, you're gonna have problems with the internet and electricity and corruption. Really doesn't sound like the best place to mine to me.

actually this isn't socialism its also capitalism, the capital is your beloved bolivares, your capital is your central bank in venezuela. socialism is a concept of human behavior. if venezuelans dont want to work their infrastracture and destroy it through bitcoin mining they are absolutely the opposite of being socialist to each other.

you venezuelans forget that the capitalism of the united states i regionalistic, corporate and tied to its banking cartel, it is based on an army that threathens oil producing countries. not everyone can be the winner of capitalism only view. just look at crypto its also capitalism and its allbout who defines the current world currency

maduro is your capitalist he is the one that holds the pedro your national currency. the problem is with his behavior he has defined rich and poor declaring himself and his army protectors rich or even more billionaires of venezuela

Many times, we believe that our reality is common to everyone, that our situations can be particular, but within a generalized environment, sometimes when we talk with one or other people, we propose solutions from our perspective, and often in this same forum, we attack or we sympathize with the positions of one or the other, but always starting from our reality.

That is why I allow myself to explain how is an average day of a person in Venezuela, with the addition of being a citizen "positive crypto" I just took this term out of the sleeve, it is simply a person who believes in the project of the cryptocurrency, understands its global value, and is willing to participate in it.

Dawn not so early, because the water faults, made you stay up late collecting water to take a bath in the morning.

Check your Rig of mining through the phone, fast, because the largest data plan is 1.5 Gb per month, noting that for some reason your WIFI service of 1 or 2 MB contracted for any reason does not work.

Your RiG stopped at 3am, because there is no internet, you restart it, counting that during the day, while you are not, the internet flies.

Sales either in your car or with the meter, which is FREE, but being free, I leave the image to give you an idea.





In any case, luckily it is Free, because there is no cash to pay the ticket, the cash for its lack, it became a good, so you can sell one million in cash in two million by bank transfer.

You arrive at your place of work, where, thank goodness, there is a 4MB internet contract for being corporate, and you can fairly navigate. well, almost, because it has constant drops.

Try to access local bitcoin to sell the mined so far (yes, I know that I speak of an RIG above, and it has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but take everything as a fable), it happens that your buyer no longer exists, and has days it does not appear.

You read a story on Instagram (the most reliable network, since there is no official information) where they say that many people were imprisoned in an operation called "paper hands" for buying and selling dollars and bitcoins (generic for cryptocurrencies).

you decide to sell the dollars directly to a third person person, and start the search for this person, at this time they offer you 3,200,000 bs per dollar, it seems unfair and you let it go.

prepare your material, since you are going to give a small talk to a group about cryptocurrencies, this time, you take your car, but first you have to load fuel, which is worth very little, for less than 1 cent of dollar you fill the tank, but the The row that you have to buy is so big, that you leave it and decide to continue like this.

You arrive at your link of the talk, it turns out that it was suspended because there is no electricity since early in the morning.

you go for a coffee and something to eat, but that costs about 5,000,000 Bs (a minimum monthly salary) remember that you must sell a few dollars, because you will not be able to eat well if you do not have bolivares.

You go to a store to talk to the owner to explain the advantages of receiving cryptocurrencies in a hyperinflationary economy, and all goes well until he asks you: Is it legal? There the world falls, you do not know what to say, the answer is yes, but if a policeman arrives no matter what the law says, he will want part of what you have collected, so this merchant decides not to expose himself and decides do not participate.

They call you to buy you the dollars, this time they offer you 3,500,000 Bs. It seems better and fair price (although you do not know that it rose to 3,800,000 Bs, that's why they offer it to you) and you decide to sell 10 dollars.

and you receive something like this:




you go through the bakery where you took the coffee, and you realize that what you ate today, tomorrow will cost 20% more, that is about 6,000,000 Bs. Better to set aside the money now, or eat at home.