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August 28, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
#28
Gambling results may appear to be bullshit but they are truly what they are most of the time. It may be almost impossible to imagine to lose 28 consecutive hands in a blackjack but it happens. In the same manner that a dice game with 50% winning chance could also give you 30 consecutive losing rolls.
Well talking about probability, yes it could be, you could lose 30 times in a row but I really really doubt that the result will stick to a single outcome like all 50 high for 30 consecutive? It may happen but it is nearly impossible. It is different with blackjack, you can control your card in blackjack wherein if you lose that's all your fault.

It's a good idea to use a third party verifier rather than using an onsite tool that was created by the casino you are checking up on. The whole idea here is to remove the need for you to place your trust into casinos. 
This is where you need to rely on the trust rating of the casino, and you should see this with trusted rating website, those who can't be paid as much as possible.
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August 28, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
#27
   I talked with people who check random bets before they try it with more money, and these guys I talked with like to generate new
seeds after some time. They gamble with bots, and everything is automatic.
   I don't verify provably fair, I am a small gambler. And it's not a big thing if I lose some, win some, it's just entertainment for me,
and I gamble just on trusted crypto-casinos. But who bets with larger capital should do checks more often, if they have concerns
about the casino where they gamble.
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August 28, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
#26
Good idea.

I haven't seen one too.
I think I mostly test it myself with 100-1000 bets to see if the results will be the right percentage as what should be expected.

Thinking about a live video of the outcome from owners of the gambling sites.
But no, it might be edited.
So, what or who can prove this. It should be something or someone trusted.
Freebies for game testers.  Grin
hero member
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August 28, 2020, 01:28:02 PM
#25


Despite the tool to verify how fair the result is, players who had set to beleive the casino isn't fair will stil think the casino is cheating them. Its not like they change their heart but its easy to look for another casino to play with.

There are casinos I think that are fair like the ones using tx as result of the game. I have seen few of these casinos so far.

Yes we have a great number of Casinos here, if you are playing in your favorite casinos and you are not getting the results that you want compared to the other casinos that you've been playing, you can make a switch and check and try the other casinos there are other reputable and old casinos that you may be overlooked.
legendary
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August 28, 2020, 10:46:28 AM
#24
So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?
I readt some good thread yesterday explaining how to verify results from the outcome and its the best one i found.
You can visit vand read the topic here mate https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-verify-every-bet-as-a-gambler-provably-fair-guide-5227525

I hope you can comprehend that so you can verify yourself next time you encounter suspicious outcomes.  Smiley
The thread you have given here is also very helpful to all players especially to those who really on verifying every bet have made. Actually, this is very important a tool where we can verify the outcomes to see if the site is a provably fair system. Also, I’m interested in knowing this provably fair system as before I’m not checking the bet I've made when I'm playing in an online casino.

Despite the tool to verify how fair the result is, players who had set to beleive the casino isn't fair will stil think the casino is cheating them. Its not like they change their heart but its easy to look for another casino to play with.

There are casinos I think that are fair like the ones using tx as result of the game. I have seen few of these casinos so far.
sr. member
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August 28, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
#23
So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?
I readt some good thread yesterday explaining how to verify results from the outcome and its the best one i found.
You can visit vand read the topic here mate https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-verify-every-bet-as-a-gambler-provably-fair-guide-5227525

I hope you can comprehend that so you can verify yourself next time you encounter suspicious outcomes.  Smiley
The thread you have given here is also very helpful to all players especially to those who really on verifying every bet have made. Actually, this is very important a tool where we can verify the outcomes to see if the site is a provably fair system. Also, I’m interested in knowing this provably fair system as before I’m not checking the bet I've made when I'm playing in an online casino.
sr. member
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August 28, 2020, 09:59:09 AM
#22
So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?
I readt some good thread yesterday explaining how to verify results from the outcome and its the best one i found.
You can visit vand read the topic here mate https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-verify-every-bet-as-a-gambler-provably-fair-guide-5227525

I hope you can comprehend that so you can verify yourself next time you encounter suspicious outcomes.  Smiley
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August 28, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
#21
This was just discussed at one casino as well earlier today, I won't say names, but I think there is a misconception about what provably fair means. RNG systems that people respect and acknowledge aren't the same as PF. PF should mean you can verify on your own without relying on 3rd party sites.
That's what I am talking about. Provably Fair is very missleading, a large part of the players understands by it something, which is actually not meant and weighs itself in false security.
The problem here is that this can be exploited by casinos, which may scam their players(no payout of larger amounts, ...). It is enough to write "We are provably fair" on the website and you will get an unjustified trust advance.

Therefore I think OP has a point, do we have a 3rd party site that we can verify if the result of a certain site is really provably fair?
I'm still interested with it though I mostly focus on sports betting where it's not really necessary as games can be fix or not, I just have to be at the right side.
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 11:23:47 PM
#20
This was just discussed at one casino as well earlier today, I won't say names, but I think there is a misconception about what provably fair means. RNG systems that people respect and acknowledge aren't the same as PF. PF should mean you can verify on your own without relying on 3rd party sites.
That's what I am talking about. Provably Fair is very missleading, a large part of the players understands by it something, which is actually not meant and weighs itself in false security.
The problem here is that this can be exploited by casinos, which may scam their players(no payout of larger amounts, ...). It is enough to write "We are provably fair" on the website and you will get an unjustified trust advance.
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August 27, 2020, 07:07:06 AM
#19
This was just discussed at one casino as well earlier today, I won't say names, but I think there is a misconception about what provably fair means. RNG systems that people respect and acknowledge aren't the same as PF. PF should mean you can verify on your own without relying on 3rd party sites.
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 06:21:15 AM
#18
Yes, this is exactly what is needed. A independent and unbiased site that are not linked to any of these casinos, that has experienced experts that can test the fairness of these systems.
I am generally a very big fan of the idea behind efialtis' idea of BTCGosu. The crypto-gambling market is already quite big and especially for newcomers very difficult to understand (and casinos are appearing regularly whose only intention is to scam the customers). Here such review sites are a very easy way to get an overview of which casinos are available and which of them are trustworthy enough to deposit funds.

Most of the gamblers are not technically inclined and would not know how to do these tests or verify the data, even after they used the tools.
To be honest, I am also sure that a large part of the players doesn't use the possibilities offered by "provably fair". Only a few understand why you need such a thing at all and what the results mean. Even here in the forum, "provably fair" is regularly equated with "doesn't scam me", although the one has nothing to do with the other.
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 05:11:03 AM
#17
My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

I have a good news for you.

BTCgosu.com is launching a tool this Sunday where users can verify bets for over 30 casinos at single place. With the introduction of this tool, BTCGosu is aiming to become the biggest third-party verifier in Crypto Gambling industry. I am personally managing the built of the tool. BC.Game is one of the 33 casinos which will be launched this Sunday.

I will surely include LuckyFish in next update. Keep an eye on BTCGosu thread or this thread this weekend when tool will be announced.

-webtricks

Yes, this is exactly what is needed. A independent and unbiased site that are not linked to any of these casinos, that has experienced experts that can test the fairness of these systems. Most of the gamblers are not technically inclined and would not know how to do these tests or verify the data, even after they used the tools.

Thank you for this information, I will give you 2 Merit points for this contribution.  Wink
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 04:56:44 AM
#16
My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

I have a good news for you.

BTCgosu.com is launching a tool this Sunday where users can verify bets for over 30 casinos at single place. With the introduction of this tool, BTCGosu is aiming to become the biggest third-party verifier in Crypto Gambling industry. I am personally managing the built of the tool. BC.Game is one of the 33 casinos which will be launched this Sunday.

I will surely include LuckyFish in next update. Keep an eye on BTCGosu thread or this thread this weekend when tool will be announced.

-webtricks
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 04:33:04 AM
#15
So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

If you look from a statistical perspective even a result with extreme odds doesn't need it's an impossible result.
I mean despite it's appear a rare event it can happens. There is not much to say.
There are several way to check the fairness of a gaming site, or verify your games and mostly have been already posted here.
Share your website and some of your bets (if it's a site "provably fair), it would be very easy get an evaluation.
Ucy
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August 27, 2020, 04:18:01 AM
#14
Are your test/research giving you different contradictory results or something?
 I guess I would use a betting site that has been tested by multiple reputable sites/systems for provable fairness. The average result from the multiple sites/systems will probably determine how trustworthy the claim of provable fairness is.
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August 27, 2020, 04:03:29 AM
#13
So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

using other sites besides the gambling site you are using to verify your bets may not be safe or they can provide fake proof's  .

 they can pay that site to make the results fair but the truth is they are scam  but if the site is already a scam , theres no real difference because they can still give fake proofs when you check your bets inside thier site  . we should not accuse the casino if we got bad results because you can be unlucky and if the casino is clean for accusations.
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August 27, 2020, 03:48:01 AM
#12
I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.   It’s not just any one casino I‘M pointing the finger at and crying because I lost.  I honestly don’t believe it is mathematically possible to lose 28 hands of blackjack in a row Once my bet amount increased to 0.001BTC per hand.  To lose 54 spins on a slot machine in a row once my bet amount was over 0.001BTC per spin seems suspect.   Casino edges and the old saying The house always wins are not lost on me.  I get it.  But if there is a verification to utilize that is not affiliated with the casino being played in I would love to know about it.

Well there is a big difference between bad luck and cheating. Not every worst streak is directly the cause of a cheating casino. Just provide the best and we can check it.
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August 27, 2020, 03:45:06 AM
#11
I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.
Why not spit out the casino's name? The reason why I ask the name is because the provably fair system is different for different casinos, there are exceptions though. So if you could provide the name of the site, we could help you better.

I agree he should complete the information and spill the beans on the casino that is on questions probably that's a new gambling site in question because old gambling sites do not have issues about their provably fair reputation because they have not been questioned before.
legendary
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August 27, 2020, 02:35:50 AM
#10
My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.
If those are the sites then follow the steps on that bc.game blog linked above by darker since both sites uses the same provably fair system (client, server and nonce).

Unfortunately they don't have a convenient third party verifier like the ones from dicesites but it still gets the job done.
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August 27, 2020, 02:11:45 AM
#9
My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

It is the first time I hear the name of this casino but I am not judging them.Again the only way to verify completely is that this site to offer to the gambler all the need tools for verifying the hash and the seed and of course the site should provide also a link to an independent provider in which you can also verify the seed.Unfortunately very few casinos do this.
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