hook him up to a lie detector!
which is proven to be flaw. Hence court dont use it.
Topic: [VIDEO] Dorian S. Nakamoto clears his name in interview with AP (Read 5242 times)
which is proven to be flaw. Hence court dont use it.
hook him up to a lie detector!
leah wrote all this?
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We need a therapist/ analyst who can tell whether he's lying or not.
You mean an analrapist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIpPqcln6Y
I can't believe all this idiotic talk!!!
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
Many people who have a general interest in privacy do some simple stuff to protect it, but don't go overboard since it is damn difficult and tedious to be rigorous in this way. Trying to put myself in 'the real Satoshi's situation working on a distributed crypto-currency solution (which was not a completely novel thing) back in the mid 2000s, I could imagine hoping that the solution would take off and anticipating it as a distant possibility, but not really expecting it. Using something other than one's formal legal name would be plenty good for general privacy against google-fu masters, and most people who have been paying attention recognize the difficulty in achieving privacy against the internal security apparatus of the U.S. and won't bother to even attempt it.
It is also worth considering that just as Gavin knows relatively little about Satoshi, Satoshi probably knows relatively little about Gavin. I could imagine him being a bit miffed about the CIA meeting (though I didn't consider it a real big deal myself.) If Dorian is Satoshi, then he was also dealing with cancer and a stroke and he would certainly be analytical enough to recognize that the snowball had already started rolling down the hill by 2011 and there was little he could do to influence it even if he wished to. That would be sufficient to explain both why he would walk away, and also why he didn't really care that much about money which he didn't really need to maintain the lifestyle which probably suited him fine.
Some people can derive enough pleasure from an achievement such as Bitcoin without needing or desiring personal credit. Just as some people are content driving an old Toyota and would actually prefer it to a new Porche. This may be hard for some people, and especially younger people, to understand but I can assure the reader that people such as this exist.
This ^^^ exactly.
It's easy for everyone to comment on "how stupid it would have been to use his real last name if he wanted privacy", but this is in hind sight!
Going back a few years Bitcoin was just an idea and a hobby project. There was no reason for Satoshi to worry about his privacy until the time people started to use Bitcoin for things that would draw attention, like donating to Wikileaks for example. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29280
This was also the time he decided to leave the forum and Bitcoin behind because he knew it was going to get a lot of unwanted attention from people he didn't want to deal with, like that sleazy reporter who decided to hang him out.
Exactly. Satoshi using his real name seems crazy from todays perspective. Couple years ago, providing nobody would knew which of the many Satoshi Nakamoto's he is and where he lives should give he complete privacy. I am sure he never expected this guru/founder/demi-god status he so rapidly achieved
I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards. And that Satoshi was fully aware of this.
Even in the event that they didn't already know, by now it will be easy for them to find out when they have a clear well defined target to research.
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"Or risk a long prison sentence"
Once again, for what, and how exactly does one prove this?
Once again, for what, and how exactly does one prove this?
For perjury.
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Seriously what you're saying makes negative sense. Whether he is or is not Satoshi doesn't matter, because we won't know whether or not he's Satoshi, and if we dont, then nothing has changed.
I hope you are right, but I'm afraid that there will soon be some politician or government agency out on a "power trip" and they will subpoena him to some sort of hearing, and then he has nowhere to go. Satoshi knew that and that is one of reasons why he feared when this day would come.
Does it REALLY matter at this point?
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming!
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How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth
Subpoenaed for what? Coding software? And then what, he comes to court "Hi, my name is Satoshi Nakamoto and I didn't code bitcoin". Then what? "But your name is Satoshi Nakamoto and you know how to code?" Seriously. There is more evidence that Max Keiser is the real Satoshi over this dude.Quote
or risk a long prison sentence?
Once again, for what, and how exactly does one prove this?Quote
That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will have a lot of negative things to say about how Bitcoin has developed and is being used. If that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will use any negative comments from him as an excuse to simply make it illegal.
Because once you release something in the public domain you can say "nvm" and now its illegal. And, because some reason he'd want to do it now, when he has millions of dollars worth of them stored up.Seriously what you're saying makes negative sense. Whether he is or is not Satoshi doesn't matter, because we won't know whether or not he's Satoshi, and if we dont, then nothing has changed.
He's a grown-ass man and a genius I'm sure he can handle some media attention.
I love to think of him like that too, just like in this picture!
http://imageupper.com/i/?S0400010090011T13942577991592644
But unfortunately when seeing him in that video interview, what I see is haunted frightened man who will probably not defend Bitcoin like the bad-ass we hope will be.
He needs to feel our support. Knowing that you have a million+ people behind you that consider you their "hero genius", and will do everything they can do protect you can hopefully make the coming weeks/months ahead easier for him to cope with, but most people here still don't believe he is our Satoshi.
Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming!
Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!
How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?
That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will denounce the way that Bitcoin has developed and if that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will take that as a green light to simply make it illegal.
Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good.
Or was it Gavin's visit to the CIA or health problems or a recognition that his influence was shrinking as things picked up steam or did he get more interested in turning a wheel for a model train? Or some combination. Whether Dorian is Satoshi or not, he probably did have at least a working familiarity with the inteligence apparatus of the U.S.
Yeah his life is totally ruined. He's been reduced to a samurai legend with a massive fortune who will be written into the history books.
LOL! Whoever Satoshi is he probably knew what he was doing and had at least a strong sense that he was playing with fire. Nowhere is it more fitting then here to use the phrase "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." I guess he considered it and did vacate the kitchen.
I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards. And that Satoshi was fully aware of this. Only a fool would believe that doing an end-run around the efforts to get PayPal and Visa to prostitute themselves for Uncle Sam would bring significant scrutiny. Whatever Satoshi felt about Wikileaks he certainly seemed to recognize this. He was probably as amazed as I was that the solution survived given the relatively early stage of it's development and the dismal level of stress-testing and QA that the community tends to muster.
Agreed. The Wikileaks thing was probably his "this shit is getting cray" moment. No way someone would predict their little isolated academic experiment would blow up like that.
Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming!
Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!
How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?
That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will denounce the way that Bitcoin has developed and if that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will take that as a green light to simply make it illegal.
Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good.
Or was it Gavin's visit to the CIA or health problems or a recognition that his influence was shrinking as things picked up steam or did he get more interested in turning a wheel for a model train? Or some combination. Whether Dorian is Satoshi or not, he probably did have at least a working familiarity with the inteligence apparatus of the U.S.
Yeah his life is totally ruined. He's been reduced to a samurai legend with a massive fortune who will be written into the history books.
LOL! Whoever Satoshi is he probably knew what he was doing and had at least a strong sense that he was playing with fire. Nowhere is it more fitting then here to use the phrase "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." I guess he considered it and did vacate the kitchen.
I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards. And that Satoshi was fully aware of this. Only a fool would believe that doing an end-run around the efforts to get PayPal and Visa to prostitute themselves for Uncle Sam would bring significant scrutiny. Whatever Satoshi felt about Wikileaks he certainly seemed to recognize this. He was probably as amazed as I was that the solution survived given the relatively early stage of it's development and the dismal level of stress-testing and QA that the community tends to muster.
Does it REALLY matter at this point?
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming!
Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!
How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?
That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will denounce the way that Bitcoin has developed and if that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will take that as a green light to simply make it illegal.
Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good.
Yeah his life is totally ruined. He's been reduced to a samurai legend with a massive fortune who will be written into the history books.
Does it REALLY matter at this point?
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming!
Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!
How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?
That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will have a lot of negative things to say about how Bitcoin has developed and is being used. If that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will use any negative comments from him as an excuse to simply make it illegal.
Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good.
I love how everyone's like "aww, poor guy, I feel so bad for him, what awful treatment, this is such an outrage!"
It must be so sooo terrible being a legendary samurai dude who changed the world and amassed an epic fortune in the process.
He's a grown-ass man and a genius I'm sure he can handle some media attention.
It must be so sooo terrible being a legendary samurai dude who changed the world and amassed an epic fortune in the process.
He's a grown-ass man and a genius I'm sure he can handle some media attention.
Does it REALLY matter at this point?
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.
His own children were also quoted saying he bought model train parts from England. Not unlikely that he might read a british newspaper every now and then too.
He really looks like he's hiding something/lying in this video.
He really looks like he's hiding something/lying in this video.
It's easy for everyone to comment on "how stupid it would have been to use his real last name if he wanted privacy", but this is in hind sight!
There is a lot of evidence that Satoshi went through great lengths to hide his identity from day zero. The email address (throw away) on the white paper and p2p2 foundation have never been used (or at least found to be used) for anything else either before or after the release of the paper. He used TOR likely from the very first day. As Gavin pointed out he never talked about himself. The same is true if you look at this posting history going back to the first announcement. Nothing that would time his online identity to any physical location. Nothing about local events, the weather, his past work, his experiences. If he is from the west coast of the US, he delayed posting to newsgroups and forums to give the indication he was in another time zone. If he is an American he chose a London newspaper headline rather than numerous US ones to choose from.
Pretty much everything points to a purpose driven man and the purpose was to remain private. While it may be possible he did all that and still released the paper with his own name it would seem to be completely out of character.
I'm not trying to start an argument as I agree that Satoshi wanted to stay private, but let's just break down the evidence you pointed out:
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The email address (throw away) on the white paper and p2p2 foundation have never been used (or at least found to be used) for anything else either before or after the release of the paper.
If you were publishing something like the Bitcoin white paper online, would you use your normal personal email address or set-up a new one specifically for that?
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He used TOR likely from the very first day.
Do we know this for a fact? Did theymos confirm that from Satoshi's logins to the forum, or how do we know?
I have seen quotes that Satoshi even mined on Tor, but I have never seen any evidence? Satoshi had already left (or was just about to) by the time I joined the forum and I honestly haven't read all his posts, did he say this himself at some point or what are the sources for this?
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As Gavin pointed out he never talked about himself. The same is true if you look at this posting history going back to the first announcement. Nothing that would time his online identity to any physical location. Nothing about local events, the weather, his past work, his experiences.
I normally don't do that either, and the same is true for a lot of people. I don't do it here or on other online forums I engage in, not even those that I have been a member of for more than a decade. I think a lot of people that have been online since the early to mid-90s and are not part of "the Facebook generation" prefer to only share their private lives with people in the real world rather than with online friends.
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If he is from the west coast of the US, he delayed posting to newsgroups and forums to give the indication he was in another time zone.
We can speculate that the timing of his postings was to indicate he was in another time zone, but perhaps it was just because he worked odd hours? Take me as an example, I'm here posting now but I bet if you guessed my time zone based on that it would be wrong. I'm heading off to bed soon though!
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If he is an American he chose a London newspaper headline rather than numerous US ones to choose from.
Maybe he just preferred the headline from The Times, a +200-year old respected newspaper?
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Pretty much everything points to a purpose driven man and the purpose was to remain private. While it may be possible he did all that and still released the paper with his own name it would seem to be completely out of character.
I agree that there is no question he wanted to keep a low profile and remain private, but maybe those feelings didn't really come into play until after he started to interact with others online about the Bitcoin project?
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If I could pick someone to be the founder of bitcoin, this guy would be it. He is a humble sweet old guy with a penchant for collecting model trains and his dad was a Buddhist priest. So many people involved in bitcoin are pricks, so for the good of the currency, I would be happy if it turns out that this is the guy in question and not someone else.
I say someone should talk to him, and even if he isn't the real Satoshi, we ask him to take the credit for it, and we will adopt him as the founder. In exchange we can all chip in and buy him whatever supplies he needs to keep working on his model railroad.
It think it's def. not him but totally agree, Dorian seems like a righteous dude :-)
It's easy for everyone to comment on "how stupid it would have been to use his real last name if he wanted privacy", but this is in hind sight!
There is a lot of evidence that Satoshi went through great lengths to hide his identity from day zero. The email address (throw away) on the white paper and p2p2 foundation have never been used (or at least found to be used) for anything else either before or after the release of the paper. He used TOR likely from the very first day. As Gavin pointed out he never talked about himself. The same is true if you look at this posting history going back to the first announcement. Nothing that would time his online identity to any physical location. Nothing about local events, the weather, his past work, his experiences. If he is from the west coast of the US, he delayed posting to newsgroups and forums to give the indication he was in another time zone. If he is an American he chose a London newspaper headline rather than numerous US ones to choose from.
Pretty much everything points to a purpose driven man and the purpose was to remain private. While it may be possible he did all that and still released the paper with his own name it would seem to be completely out of character.
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I can't believe all this idiotic talk!!!
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills !!!
I can't believe all this idiotic talk!!!
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!
What do you people have inside your head?
Many people who have a general interest in privacy do some simple stuff to protect it, but don't go overboard since it is damn difficult and tedious to be rigorous in this way. Trying to put myself in 'the real Satoshi's situation working on a distributed crypto-currency solution (which was not a completely novel thing) back in the mid 2000s, I could imagine hoping that the solution would take off and anticipating it as a distant possibility, but not really expecting it. Using something other than one's formal legal name would be plenty good for general privacy against google-fu masters, and most people who have been paying attention recognize the difficulty in achieving privacy against the internal security apparatus of the U.S. and won't bother to even attempt it.
It is also worth considering that just as Gavin knows relatively little about Satoshi, Satoshi probably knows relatively little about Gavin. I could imagine him being a bit miffed about the CIA meeting (though I didn't consider it a real big deal myself.) If Dorian is Satoshi, then he was also dealing with cancer and a stroke and he would certainly be analytical enough to recognize that the snowball had already started rolling down the hill by 2011 and there was little he could do to influence it even if he wished to. That would be sufficient to explain both why he would walk away, and also why he didn't really care that much about money which he didn't really need to maintain the lifestyle which probably suited him fine.
Some people can derive enough pleasure from an achievement such as Bitcoin without needing or desiring personal credit. Just as some people are content driving an old Toyota and would actually prefer it to a new Porche. This may be hard for some people, and especially younger people, to understand but I can assure the reader that people such as this exist.
This ^^^ exactly.
It's easy for everyone to comment on "how stupid it would have been to use his real last name if he wanted privacy", but this is in hind sight!
Going back a few years Bitcoin was just an idea and a hobby project. There was no reason for Satoshi to worry about his privacy until the time people started to use Bitcoin for things that would draw attention, like donating to Wikileaks for example. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29280
This was also the time he decided to leave the forum and Bitcoin behind because he knew it was going to get a lot of unwanted attention from people he didn't want to deal with, like that sleazy reporter who decided to hang him out.
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