Vietnam bursts an illegal casino who used to handle bets worth $3 billions

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 07, 2020, 07:04:03 AM

Illegal businesses can't run without political patronage. Because there will be competition between the businesses and one group will always try to take out the other (and vice versa). If you don't have any powerful people supporting you, then you won't be protected from the raids and the business will be closed down. This happens mostly in the developing nations, where large number politicians are corrupt.

When it comes to the illegal things, the owner will need support from the powerful corrupt officials to protect them from the other owner. The competition will be hard if the corrupt officials interfere with that business, and they will do everything to make sure the business is still running. This business will never stop if it can not catch the corrupt officials. It needs more attention from the honest officials to investigate and search for that illegal casino.

Quote from: peter0425 on October 07, 2020, 08:11:54 AM

Lol why need to bribe when they are already the authority?because most of them are run by officials or have family member that authority.

There are many cases here related to that,when the gambling place was raided then it comes out the owner is Big fish.

Some illegal casino that doesn't bond to that officials will bribe that person to get their support, which is not a secret. But maybe they will do the transaction by secretly without anyone knows. Sometimes, the illegal casino will belong to the corrupt officials, so they will get catch too if that place is raided.

Quote from: reliable on October 07, 2020, 12:44:56 PM

With high official involvement that is the only reason that such things can operate very much inspite being illegal. Also the gamblers would be VIP and high rollers I feel so due to which so much billions worth of bets were handled during their time. Seems somebody from them only would have tipped or got them busted.

Sometimes, those high officials can have a meeting to make a plan or expand their business. Besides the illegal casino, they will try to create new illegal things such as drug dealers. Those people will give the best for the VIP, which has a lot of money because they can use big money for one round when they gamble. Sometimes, the casino gives a gift to them to make them satisfied with their services.

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Quote from: michellee on October 05, 2020, 04:33:40 AM

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An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

With high official involvement that is the only reason that such things can operate very much inspite being illegal. Also the gamblers would be VIP and high rollers I feel so due to which so much billions worth of bets were handled during their time. Seems somebody from them only would have tipped or got them busted.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 07, 2020, 07:04:03 AM

Quote from: michellee on October 07, 2020, 03:19:40 AM

I am sure the corrupt officials will be in many countries because it can not end. As long as they are greedy to chase more money instead of their income, the corrupt will be like that. There will still be honest officials who always try to do their best to catch the illegal casino and other things because they realize they must do that before the illegal things spread in all cities. If the honest officials can be like that, I am sure the illegal casino will worry, including the corrupt officials behind that illegal casino.

Illegal businesses can't run without political patronage. Because there will be competition between the businesses and one group will always try to take out the other (and vice versa). If you don't have any powerful people supporting you, then you won't be protected from the raids and the business will be closed down. This happens mostly in the developing nations, where large number politicians are corrupt.

Some people get so greedy when they experience having power that's why it's really inevitable to have a clean government without any corruption happening. Like what you said, it's common in developing nation, and I can really say that even here in my country, you'll really see news having illegal activities such as gambling that is backed by government officials that's why they are brave to operate because they know someone is protecting them.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 07, 2020, 07:04:03 AM

Quote from: michellee on October 07, 2020, 03:19:40 AM

I am sure the corrupt officials will be in many countries because it can not end. As long as they are greedy to chase more money instead of their income, the corrupt will be like that. There will still be honest officials who always try to do their best to catch the illegal casino and other things because they realize they must do that before the illegal things spread in all cities. If the honest officials can be like that, I am sure the illegal casino will worry, including the corrupt officials behind that illegal casino.

Illegal businesses can't run without political patronage. Because there will be competition between the businesses and one group will always try to take out the other (and vice versa). If you don't have any powerful people supporting you, then you won't be protected from the raids and the business will be closed down. This happens mostly in the developing nations, where large number politicians are corrupt.

Another sets of group who are pro government will seek for judgement, paying the taxes and everything to run the business vs those illegal facilitator who run the business without paying their obligations.

Without any access to higher officials this business owners will not take that long to facilitate, for sure this people behind have someone's who are backing them up.

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Quote from: michellee on October 05, 2020, 04:33:40 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 29, 2020, 11:14:18 PM

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

Lol why need to bribe when they are already the authority?because most of them are run by officials or have family member that authority.

There are many cases here related to that,when the gambling place was raided then it comes out the owner is Big fish.

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Quote from: michellee on October 07, 2020, 03:19:40 AM

I am sure the corrupt officials will be in many countries because it can not end. As long as they are greedy to chase more money instead of their income, the corrupt will be like that. There will still be honest officials who always try to do their best to catch the illegal casino and other things because they realize they must do that before the illegal things spread in all cities. If the honest officials can be like that, I am sure the illegal casino will worry, including the corrupt officials behind that illegal casino.

Illegal businesses can't run without political patronage. Because there will be competition between the businesses and one group will always try to take out the other (and vice versa). If you don't have any powerful people supporting you, then you won't be protected from the raids and the business will be closed down. This happens mostly in the developing nations, where large number politicians are corrupt.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on October 06, 2020, 12:43:34 AM

Quote from: michellee on October 05, 2020, 04:33:40 AM

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

It is actually very hard to prevent if officials themselves are benefiting from these illegal activities, But we should not holistically judge the authorities as not all of them does the same thing, there are still great news coming concerning illegal casinos getting busted. Just like this news. Authorities in Canada shutter down a luxury mansion that is running an illegal casino and spa inside of it.

I am sure the corrupt officials will be in many countries because it can not end. As long as they are greedy to chase more money instead of their income, the corrupt will be like that. There will still be honest officials who always try to do their best to catch the illegal casino and other things because they realize they must do that before the illegal things spread in all cities. If the honest officials can be like that, I am sure the illegal casino will worry, including the corrupt officials behind that illegal casino.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on October 06, 2020, 12:43:34 AM

It is actually very hard to prevent if officials themselves are benefiting from these illegal activities, But we should not holistically judge the authorities as not all of them does the same thing, there are still great news coming concerning illegal casinos getting busted. Just like this news. Authorities in Canada shutter down a luxury mansion that is running an illegal casino and spa inside of it.

This is really surprising. Because I thought that all forms of gambling are legal in Canada. I am a big supporter of the system there, because recently they even legalized Marijuana. So what's the point in running an illegal casino, when they can easily obtain the license for the same? Now they have to pay huge fines and penalties for breaking the law and running the casino without a license.

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Quote from: michellee on October 05, 2020, 04:33:40 AM

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

It is actually very hard to prevent if officials themselves are benefiting from these illegal activities, But we should not holistically judge the authorities as not all of them does the same thing, there are still great news coming concerning illegal casinos getting busted. Just like this news. Authorities in Canada shutter down a luxury mansion that is running an illegal casino and spa inside of it.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 29, 2020, 11:14:18 PM

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

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Quote from: yazher on September 30, 2020, 11:24:14 AM

When the owners and others who are involved in this illegal activity are interrogated, those corrupt official will not sleep peacefully in their bed. They gonna think that their names are being mention in the interrogation room. The moment the authority caught these guys, that's the moment they been waiting for. Because those people can name the corrupt officials who are involved in this activity and they can clean their goverment from making this guys pay from what they have done to the country. You can understand what I'm saying if you watch the Korean movie "Master" where they caught the mastermind of the biggest networking scam in their country and managed to get through the information of who are the officials involved in that networking scam.

When an official accepts bribe on a regular basis, he is well aware that the law will catch up to him sooner or later. So he'll be prepared. A part of the proceedings will be sent to the tax heavens and the remainder will be invested in his own country under fictitious identities. Purchasing passports have become quite easy now. Nowadays you can get a citizenship in any of the Caribbean nations for as low as $100,000. After earning bribes for 3-4 years, the official can renounce his citizenship and flee to any of these islands. Since they usually don't have extradition treaties with anyone, it will be difficult for the authorities to get the official prosecuted.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 30, 2020, 01:29:42 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 29, 2020, 11:14:18 PM

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

Obviously some of the bureaucrats and the government officials will be involved in the operations. But the problem is that not all of the officials will be corrupt and also, not all of the corrupt officials will be in the payroll of the illegal business. So running an illegal casino is a risky proposition. It can get closed down and the owners prosecuted at any moment.

When the owners and others who are involved in this illegal activity are interrogated, those corrupt official will not sleep peacefully in their bed. They gonna think that their names are being mention in the interrogation room. The moment the authority caught these guys, that's the moment they been waiting for. Because those people can name the corrupt officials who are involved in this activity and they can clean their goverment from making this guys pay from what they have done to the country. You can understand what I'm saying if you watch the Korean movie "Master" where they caught the mastermind of the biggest networking scam in their country and managed to get through the information of who are the officials involved in that networking scam.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 27, 2020, 09:36:24 AM

There is no way to push gambling at their place.
https://calvinayre.com/2020/09/23/business/vietnam-dumb-betting-rules-encourage-illegal-sportsbooks/

It is to think that the authorities never allow their people to go gambling without their permission and regulations. And that supposed to happen when someone runs any business illegally. They don't want to make their people got into trouble, addicted, and suffered losses into someone that has never paid taxes to the government. Well, if they run Casinos legally, there is no case like this to happen with them.

Meaning each time they need to gamble government want to take a piece of cake/this is much better so gambling will be closely regulated.

and this is a win win situation for government.

First gamblers may not lose too much money to gamble.

second gambling operators need to be watched and collected by tax each time.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 29, 2020, 11:14:18 PM

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

Obviously some of the bureaucrats and the government officials will be involved in the operations. But the problem is that not all of the officials will be corrupt and also, not all of the corrupt officials will be in the payroll of the illegal business. So running an illegal casino is a risky proposition. It can get closed down and the owners prosecuted at any moment.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 10:29:30 PM

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

This is possible that not every bureaucrat would be accepting bribe and working but somehow the system is such that they would either get transfers or some pressure from the top when they act as an hindrance in between working for their business as it also involves influential people else this also things are very easy to get shut by police. Without involvement of any top people it cannot run for long.

Influences as we know it really play the big role when illegal activities are taking place.

Without any participations of a well known politicians this kind of illegal gaming won't last long, for sure they are big names
behind this that's why the owner able to manifest and generates huge amount of money before being busted.

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 10:29:30 PM

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The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

I am not surprised if politicians or other officials own the casino because some want to grow their wealth by doing anything while they have power in the government. That is happening in many countries and places. They bribe officials who they know can help them to operate their business. The corrupt officials know how to take care of the business because they have other people who will protect those places.

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Quote from: maydna on September 27, 2020, 08:27:20 PM

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and it has been in the system for long.and in all the country in the world,gambling illegally is indeed happening.

i think Vietnam is one of the most strict in gambling like Singapore so basically these kind of issue will always be on top of their target.

That's right. It will happen like that as long as the officials are still corrupt, and the law will be hard to find. But not all officials corrupt because some officials will want to search for the corrupt officials.

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Quote from: maydna on September 27, 2020, 08:27:20 PM

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Nope that is not how rules must be,Those who had been caught as illegal must be banned from having a legal papers instead let other operators
open theirs so these bad operators will not have place in the business.

The strict country will always try to search the illegal thing, and they will not give up to get that. Once they got one or two illegal things, they will give sanctions to them. But well, that will not stop illegal casinos running the business.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 10:29:30 PM

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

This is possible that not every bureaucrat would be accepting bribe and working but somehow the system is such that they would either get transfers or some pressure from the top when they act as an hindrance in between working for their business as it also involves influential people else this also things are very easy to get shut by police. Without involvement of any top people it cannot run for long.

Influences as we know it really play the big role when illegal activities are taking place.

Without any participations of a well known politicians this kind of illegal gaming won't last long, for sure they are big names
behind this that's why the owner able to manifest and generates huge amount of money before being busted.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 10:29:30 PM

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

This is possible that not every bureaucrat would be accepting bribe and working but somehow the system is such that they would either get transfers or some pressure from the top when they act as an hindrance in between working for their business as it also involves influential people else this also things are very easy to get shut by police. Without involvement of any top people it cannot run for long.

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Quote from: maydna on September 26, 2020, 10:34:30 PM

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if that is the case then offline gambling places will not be free and for sure they will try to change the function to online gambling places because I am sure when the government starts looking for illegal gambling places they will definitely want to try to get and collect taxes from that gambling place so that the profits are made will be seen all.

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

and it has been in the system for long.and in all the country in the world,gambling illegally is indeed happening.

i think Vietnam is one of the most strict in gambling like Singapore so basically these kind of issue will always be on top of their target.

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But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

Nope that is not how rules must be,Those who had been caught as illegal must be banned from having a legal papers instead let other operators
open theirs so these bad operators will not have place in the business.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 10:29:30 PM

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

that is not correct,Illegal casinos are really making money for long time now because they are bribing people inside the government and sometimes they are the one who runs the Law.
specially in countries were the laws is not that strong and manipulated by millionaires.
and Casino owners are one of those Millionaires that runs the government and pays the people to keep silent.

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