Vietnam bursts an illegal casino who used to handle bets worth $3 billions - page 2.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 29, 2020, 12:53:45 AM

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

Basically, the problem here is why there's a need to bribe and run an illegal casino? When they can follow jurisdictions and earn money legally? Casinos especially physical casinos are business with huge profits. That is because people needs to pay tons of fees and taxes. Plus most of the millionaires also spend huge portion of their fund just to experience the fun.

IMO, running an illegal gambling is just a waste of time just like casinos in Vietnam. They are just wasting the skills of developers in creating online casinos that should be used to build legal projects.

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Quote from: maydna on September 28, 2020, 09:29:30 PM

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

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Quote from: tabas on September 12, 2020, 04:22:58 PM

Can't stop those type of gamblers who prefer to play more with physical casinos or online fiat casinos.

Most of the gambling sites do have multiple payment options, including cryptocurrency and fiat. If some of the users are not comfortable with cryptocurrency payments, then they can always use for payments using their bank accounts or credit cards. Only some of the gambling sites, which want to provide hundred percent anonymity for the users don't have any fiat payment options.

we can always choose which payments to use,because gambling sites means business so they dont need to stick in single payment offering when they can have them all,so players will also confident to have any availability when dealing with gambling.
and also gamblers can use VPN to escape from being trace when they play,meaning option is indeed for everyone ,what is important is gambling operator will profit and gamblers will lose.

The more the payment options are included in gambling casino, it will be convenient for the gamblers to play with the currency / coin of their own choice. This applies for both the fait and crypto gambling sites.

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Quote from: maydna on September 27, 2020, 07:27:20 PM

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

Illegal casinos mostly exist in places where gambling is banned. And in most cases, they have support from the corrupt officials and politicians. If they are caught, then the operators would go to jail and all the money and equipment will be seized and confiscated. In places where casinos are allowed to operate, it will be unusual to find the illegal ones operating.

In places where gambling is not banned, the illegal casinos also exists there. Sone of them are not registered and do not have the license, so these are also categorized as illegal casinos.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 13, 2020, 07:55:04 AM

Quote from: tabas on September 12, 2020, 04:22:58 PM

Can't stop those type of gamblers who prefer to play more with physical casinos or online fiat casinos.

Most of the gambling sites do have multiple payment options, including cryptocurrency and fiat. If some of the users are not comfortable with cryptocurrency payments, then they can always use for payments using their bank accounts or credit cards. Only some of the gambling sites, which want to provide hundred percent anonymity for the users don't have any fiat payment options.

we can always choose which payments to use,because gambling sites means business so they dont need to stick in single payment offering when they can have them all,so players will also confident to have any availability when dealing with gambling.
and also gamblers can use VPN to escape from being trace when they play,meaning option is indeed for everyone ,what is important is gambling operator will profit and gamblers will lose.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 27, 2020, 10:01:56 PM

Quote from: maydna on September 27, 2020, 07:27:20 PM

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

Illegal casinos mostly exist in places where gambling is banned. And in most cases, they have support from the corrupt officials and politicians. If they are caught, then the operators would go to jail and all the money and equipment will be seized and confiscated. In places where casinos are allowed to operate, it will be unusual to find the illegal ones operating.

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

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Illegal casinos are not only in countries where gambling is legal, however in some countries that prohibit gambling,
usually there are illegal casino stands too. Because many mafias or corruptor like to run a gambling business,
because the circulation of money is very large, and also the profit generated is also very large. So what the Vietnamese
government did to illegal casinos, many also do by other countries.

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Quote from: maydna on September 27, 2020, 07:27:20 PM

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

Illegal casinos mostly exist in places where gambling is banned. And in most cases, they have support from the corrupt officials and politicians. If they are caught, then the operators would go to jail and all the money and equipment will be seized and confiscated. In places where casinos are allowed to operate, it will be unusual to find the illegal ones operating.

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Quote from: maydna on September 26, 2020, 09:34:30 PM

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if that is the case then offline gambling places will not be free and for sure they will try to change the function to online gambling places because I am sure when the government starts looking for illegal gambling places they will definitely want to try to get and collect taxes from that gambling place so that the profits are made will be seen all.

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

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There is no way to push gambling at their place.
https://calvinayre.com/2020/09/23/business/vietnam-dumb-betting-rules-encourage-illegal-sportsbooks/

It is to think that the authorities never allow their people to go gambling without their permission and regulations. And that supposed to happen when someone runs any business illegally. They don't want to make their people got into trouble, addicted, and suffered losses into someone that has never paid taxes to the government. Well, if they run Casinos legally, there is no case like this to happen with them.

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Quote from: maydna on September 26, 2020, 09:34:30 PM

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Quote from: maydna on September 25, 2020, 08:35:17 PM

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governments has a funds and who says they are gonna do it alone , they can always hire a people that will them find the illegal sites . this is not easy but this can make a change than government sits and does nothing during their term .

in the meantime we gamblers can also help by not supporting those gambling place that we think a illegal. common lets not be lazy , i know we can if we will only seperate a little time for reading and researching .

Yes, I am sure the government has funds to hire people. The government needs to visit every place because sometimes, the gambling places will be at a secret place, which the government needs to search in many ways. We still at the pandemic, and I think the government has its main focus to prevent the new case, so I think perhaps, the government will try to get the details first, and then they will investigate later.

If we don't want to get a problem by playing illegal gambling, we don't have to go to that illegal gambling, whether it's an offline casino or online casino. We can try to play gambling at a legal casino, so we don't have to worry about breaking the law, but we still need to be careful to spend the money.

if that is the case then offline gambling places will not be free and for sure they will try to change the function to online gambling places because I am sure when the government starts looking for illegal gambling places they will definitely want to try to get and collect taxes from that gambling place so that the profits are made will be seen all.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on September 26, 2020, 02:07:03 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 25, 2020, 08:35:17 PM

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governments has a funds and who says they are gonna do it alone , they can always hire a people that will them find the illegal sites . this is not easy but this can make a change than government sits and does nothing during their term .

in the meantime we gamblers can also help by not supporting those gambling place that we think a illegal. common lets not be lazy , i know we can if we will only seperate a little time for reading and researching .

Yes, I am sure the government has funds to hire people. The government needs to visit every place because sometimes, the gambling places will be at a secret place, which the government needs to search in many ways. We still at the pandemic, and I think the government has its main focus to prevent the new case, so I think perhaps, the government will try to get the details first, and then they will investigate later.

If we don't want to get a problem by playing illegal gambling, we don't have to go to that illegal gambling, whether it's an offline casino or online casino. We can try to play gambling at a legal casino, so we don't have to worry about breaking the law, but we still need to be careful to spend the money.

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Before getting engage into any type of casino whether online or casino establishment, better make sure that they are registered, legitimate and legally run so that your welfare is safe compared to those illegal that might end up running your money once they get what they want from you. Why would you settle for less when you can get into the best at the first place. Better do think of your welfare as well and do not just easily trust because of the reviews you see or the ratings about such casino. Do the thorough research yourself before placing a handful of money because once it have been inputted on an online casino, there is no clear assurance that there is turning back. The must thing to do is once you find out an illegal gambling place taking over or going operational, better avoid or get rid of it and warn other people to lessen the damage possible to be done by such illegal gambling houses.

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Quote from: maydna on September 25, 2020, 08:35:17 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on September 13, 2020, 01:24:08 AM

That's really existing, there are illegal gambling house where gamblers supports the activities.
They are not concern about anything as long as the sites pay them for their wins they will continue to use the sites,
it's really the government that's needs to step up and bring those sites to be closed, no need to wait for someone
to be scam by those illegal practitioners.

The illegal gambling house still operates for a long time because many gamblers like their services and the gamblers recommend their friends to come to that place. The gambler only thinks about the gambling site is paying or not, and even if the legal gambling sites, and if the site has a long time to withdraw or have bad service, the gambler won't use it to playing gambling.

The government jobs to verify the gambling site are legal or illegal, but it will not be easy since they need to check one by one of those sites to find the illegal sites. That will be the same thing if they want to find the illegal casino in their country, and the government needs to search for many places that indicate to be used for playing gambling.

governments has a funds and who says they are gonna do it alone , they can always hire a people that will them find the illegal sites . this is not easy but this can make a change than government sits and does nothing during their term .

in the meantime we gamblers can also help by not supporting those gambling place that we think a illegal. common lets not be lazy , i know we can if we will only seperate a little time for reading and researching .

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Quote from: Pamadar on September 13, 2020, 01:24:08 AM

That's really existing, there are illegal gambling house where gamblers supports the activities.
They are not concern about anything as long as the sites pay them for their wins they will continue to use the sites,
it's really the government that's needs to step up and bring those sites to be closed, no need to wait for someone
to be scam by those illegal practitioners.

The illegal gambling house still operates for a long time because many gamblers like their services and the gamblers recommend their friends to come to that place. The gambler only thinks about the gambling site is paying or not, and even if the legal gambling sites, and if the site has a long time to withdraw or have bad service, the gambler won't use it to playing gambling.

The government jobs to verify the gambling site are legal or illegal, but it will not be easy since they need to check one by one of those sites to find the illegal sites. That will be the same thing if they want to find the illegal casino in their country, and the government needs to search for many places that indicate to be used for playing gambling.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 13, 2020, 07:55:04 AM

Quote from: tabas on September 12, 2020, 04:22:58 PM

Can't stop those type of gamblers who prefer to play more with physical casinos or online fiat casinos.

Most of the gambling sites do have multiple payment options, including cryptocurrency and fiat. If some of the users are not comfortable with cryptocurrency payments, then they can always use for payments using their bank accounts or credit cards. Only some of the gambling sites, which want to provide hundred percent anonymity for the users don't have any fiat payment options.

Mostly, don't.
A fiat casino remains as a fiat casino and the payments that they are accepting are only for fiat basis, they don't have option for crypto.
But for some crypto casinos, they have the two options. As I say, it's not about paying crypto, it's about those gamblers who don't like it and prefer to stay traditionally.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on September 25, 2020, 12:26:42 PM

That's the problem, even the government is tolerating those illegal casinos because some higher officials owned those illegal casinos that are operating in the shadows. There are a lot of illegal casinos that exist today, we don't know it because even the police are covering it. It's the same issue with drugs, those who are against the drug lords are also drug lords. Even they implement a nationwide operation of destroying drugs, they can't because they're one of them. If the digital world has a lot of illegal casinos that doesn't have any permit to operation, what more in the actual?

Well, that's why most need to actually see it in person before being able to take action. It actually needs to be a big thing, so that the authorities have no choice but to move, whether they like it or not. It's a good thing that the internet is a thing today, this makes reporting such things and making a lot of people know about it a lot easier. Also, I doubt there's much to it to even compare irl and digital casinos, especially since digital ones are far easier to actually create and manage compared to physical ones, which makes having more of those have sense compared of illegal physical casinos.

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Quote from: aswin123adam on September 10, 2020, 05:04:27 AM

I recommend people not to play on only-fiat platforms . I have had a lot of losses in fiat play sites and those platforms neither seem to be as fair as the play with crypto ones . Just my opinion .

Since I knew crypto gambling sites I never played again with Fiat based casino even physically. But some especially old ones prefers the fiat based as they are more familiar with and even there are illegalities that may have in that casino if its run or played online some will not noticed it so its good if the government was able to determines those not registered and I legally operating physically or in online.

That's really existing, there are illegal gambling house where gamblers supports the activities.
They are not concern about anything as long as the sites pay them for their wins they will continue to use the sites,
it's really the government that's needs to step up and bring those sites to be closed, no need to wait for someone
to be scam by those illegal practitioners.

That's the problem, even the government is tolerating those illegal casinos because some higher officials owned those illegal casinos that are operating in the shadows. There are a lot of illegal casinos that exist today, we don't know it because even the police are covering it. It's the same issue with drugs, those who are against the drug lords are also drug lords. Even they implement a nationwide operation of destroying drugs, they can't because they're one of them. If the digital world has a lot of illegal casinos that doesn't have any permit to operation, what more in the actual?

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Quote from: tabas on September 12, 2020, 04:22:58 PM

Can't stop those type of gamblers who prefer to play more with physical casinos or online fiat casinos.

Most of the gambling sites do have multiple payment options, including cryptocurrency and fiat. If some of the users are not comfortable with cryptocurrency payments, then they can always use for payments using their bank accounts or credit cards. Only some of the gambling sites, which want to provide hundred percent anonymity for the users don't have any fiat payment options.

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 12, 2020, 05:38:09 PM

Quote from: aswin123adam on September 10, 2020, 05:04:27 AM

I recommend people not to play on only-fiat platforms . I have had a lot of losses in fiat play sites and those platforms neither seem to be as fair as the play with crypto ones . Just my opinion .

Since I knew crypto gambling sites I never played again with Fiat based casino even physically. But some especially old ones prefers the fiat based as they are more familiar with and even there are illegalities that may have in that casino if its run or played online some will not noticed it so its good if the government was able to determines those not registered and I legally operating physically or in online.

That's really existing, there are illegal gambling house where gamblers supports the activities.
They are not concern about anything as long as the sites pay them for their wins they will continue to use the sites,
it's really the government that's needs to step up and bring those sites to be closed, no need to wait for someone
to be scam by those illegal practitioners.

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Quote from: aswin123adam on September 10, 2020, 05:04:27 AM

I recommend people not to play on only-fiat platforms . I have had a lot of losses in fiat play sites and those platforms neither seem to be as fair as the play with crypto ones . Just my opinion .

Since I knew crypto gambling sites I never played again with Fiat based casino even physically. But some especially old ones prefers the fiat based as they are more familiar with and even there are illegalities that may have in that casino if its run or played online some will not noticed it so its good if the government was able to determines those not registered and I legally operating physically or in online.

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