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I think that is really happening in the country, which is ban gambling, and I think the owner of the casino can paying the corrupt police or people from the government, so they can free to run their business without worry. In many countries, there will be people who will corrupt and help the business illegal, but the government is trying to clean up that thing in every department to catch that corrupt person. So we might see that in the news or television, some people being caught by the police because they are corrupt.

Corruption is the reason for each and every mistake that's been happening with management. When there happens mismanagement automatically the system will collapse. Same is with the gambling business. The corrupt officials without following regulations support it, finally they run away with poor peoples money. In my country gambling networks function from warehouses.

Indeed. Corruption happens in many countries, and it's not just happening in the government, but it's also happening in any aspect of jobs. So it is not surprising if we see some corrupt officials from the government have back up for the gambling places, so the law can not touch those places. But I am sure that in the end, they can not always break the law, and there will be some honest officials who would chase them, and arrest them because of their fault.

The reason why illegal gambling flourish is they don't pay the taxes. When casinos don't pay taxes and don't have to follow the guidelines, it would generate more profit and mostly provide better returns to gamblers. Many of the countries have strict gambling regulations and they take a good chunk of profit as taxes.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 05, 2020, 08:17:18 AM

I think that is really happening in the country, which is ban gambling, and I think the owner of the casino can paying the corrupt police or people from the government, so they can free to run their business without worry. In many countries, there will be people who will corrupt and help the business illegal, but the government is trying to clean up that thing in every department to catch that corrupt person. So we might see that in the news or television, some people being caught by the police because they are corrupt.

Corruption is the reason for each and every mistake that's been happening with management. When there happens mismanagement automatically the system will collapse. Same is with the gambling business. The corrupt officials without following regulations support it, finally they run away with poor peoples money. In my country gambling networks function from warehouses.

Indeed. Corruption happens in many countries, and it's not just happening in the government, but it's also happening in any aspect of jobs. So it is not surprising if we see some corrupt officials from the government have back up for the gambling places, so the law can not touch those places. But I am sure that in the end, they can not always break the law, and there will be some honest officials who would chase them, and arrest them because of their fault.

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Quote from: Mahanton on August 04, 2020, 07:17:47 PM

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Quote from: Pamadar on August 02, 2020, 10:36:06 AM

They need to work with this as they are losing opportunities, like what you said gambling industry is really making huge rally banning
them will only make them to move to the other place and start working again, if the government will allow them to facilitate and impose taxes it will gives more venue of funds that can be divert to create more projects for the people.

I think the owner will think about that, even if in their country the ban is applied, they can open their business in the other country which gambling is allowed. Or the owner can still run their business, but they will run in the underground, and they will be selective to invite the people to play on their site. We know that in some country which bans gambling, the owner still can run their business, and they can still make money from gambling.

Running business illegally on a country which do already ban or prohibit it would really be a suicide act by its owners but they wont really make such step if they wont consider
on paying out some under-the-table transactions or simply being protected by some of big officials on said country.Its hard to filter out real gamblers to those who are just
trying to investigate into illegal things or simply called intels or assets so in most cases for those illegal places doesnt have any connections will surely be bust up
earlier compared to those who had connections above.

I think that is really happening in the country, which is ban gambling, and I think the owner of the casino can paying the corrupt police or people from the government, so they can free to run their business without worry. In many countries, there will be people who will corrupt and help the business illegal, but the government is trying to clean up that thing in every department to catch that corrupt person. So we might see that in the news or television, some people being caught by the police because they are corrupt.

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Running business illegally on a country which do already ban or prohibit it would really be a suicide act by its owners but they wont really make such step if they wont consider
on paying out some under-the-table transactions or simply being protected by some of big officials on said country.Its hard to filter out real gamblers to those who are just
trying to investigate into illegal things or simply called intels or assets so in most cases for those illegal places doesnt have any connections will surely be bust up
earlier compared to those who had connections above.

Those who are not being protected by the high officials will serves as proof once being caught, they will be the sacrifices
in order to protect those illegals, most of the time this kind of underground illegal things that being
held are really protected by corrupt officials.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 04, 2020, 11:49:46 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on August 02, 2020, 10:36:06 AM

They need to work with this as they are losing opportunities, like what you said gambling industry is really making huge rally banning
them will only make them to move to the other place and start working again, if the government will allow them to facilitate and impose taxes it will gives more venue of funds that can be divert to create more projects for the people.

I think the owner will think about that, even if in their country the ban is applied, they can open their business in the other country which gambling is allowed. Or the owner can still run their business, but they will run in the underground, and they will be selective to invite the people to play on their site. We know that in some country which bans gambling, the owner still can run their business, and they can still make money from gambling.

Running business illegally on a country which do already ban or prohibit it would really be a suicide act by its owners but they wont really make such step if they wont consider
on paying out some under-the-table transactions or simply being protected by some of big officials on said country.Its hard to filter out real gamblers to those who are just
trying to investigate into illegal things or simply called intels or assets so in most cases for those illegal places doesnt have any connections will surely be bust up
earlier compared to those who had connections above.

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Quote from: Pamadar on August 02, 2020, 10:36:06 AM

They need to work with this as they are losing opportunities, like what you said gambling industry is really making huge rally banning
them will only make them to move to the other place and start working again, if the government will allow them to facilitate and impose taxes it will gives more venue of funds that can be divert to create more projects for the people.

I think the owner will think about that, even if in their country the ban is applied, they can open their business in the other country which gambling is allowed. Or the owner can still run their business, but they will run in the underground, and they will be selective to invite the people to play on their site. We know that in some country which bans gambling, the owner still can run their business, and they can still make money from gambling.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 04, 2020, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: iv4n on August 04, 2020, 07:08:14 AM

I will go further and sya that restrictions are generally a bad thing, you can't stop people from doing what they want to do. Example are prisons, they can't keep drugs out of prison, what we need to say more? Restrictions today are used by governments to oppose control, its how they control the ones who are doing something illegal, they take money for protection.
Today every organized crime is connected with government, in one way or another. Except restrictions, wars, and all other bullshit it would be better to educate people, but if they would educate people then they wouldn't be able to rule.

Obviously the drug trade is something that can't be legalized in most of the countries. But gambling is one of those things that can be legalized and regulated without causing an increase in the crime rate. Almost half of the countries around the world have already legalized it. Then I don't understand what prevents the remaining half to do the same.

Obviously you miss the point, in the end both are businesses and both can be legal or illegal, depending on the government regulations. The point is that you cant stop people from doing what they like, it's not about you here and your opinion about drugs, it's about all the people and their wishes.
About increasing and decreasing criminal rates please read what happened in Portugal and Netherlands, two good examples! Educate yourself!

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 04, 2020, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: iv4n on August 04, 2020, 07:08:14 AM

I will go further and sya that restrictions are generally a bad thing, you can't stop people from doing what they want to do. Example are prisons, they can't keep drugs out of prison, what we need to say more? Restrictions today are used by governments to oppose control, its how they control the ones who are doing something illegal, they take money for protection.
Today every organized crime is connected with government, in one way or another. Except restrictions, wars, and all other bullshit it would be better to educate people, but if they would educate people then they wouldn't be able to rule.

Obviously the drug trade is something that can't be legalized in most of the countries. But gambling is one of those things that can be legalized and regulated without causing an increase in the crime rate. Almost half of the countries around the world have already legalized it. Then I don't understand what prevents the remaining half to do the same.

The idea of of legalizing gambling is far better in terms of getting big taxes.

If the government who are still against this practice then still getting people who keeps involving themselves playing
illegally, its better to legalize and get the taxes than keep tracing them and use the authorities, budgets should be use in other
things instead of wasting it from arresting this illegal doers.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 04, 2020, 07:08:14 AM

I will go further and sya that restrictions are generally a bad thing, you can't stop people from doing what they want to do. Example are prisons, they can't keep drugs out of prison, what we need to say more? Restrictions today are used by governments to oppose control, its how they control the ones who are doing something illegal, they take money for protection.
Today every organized crime is connected with government, in one way or another. Except restrictions, wars, and all other bullshit it would be better to educate people, but if they would educate people then they wouldn't be able to rule.

Obviously the drug trade is something that can't be legalized in most of the countries. But gambling is one of those things that can be legalized and regulated without causing an increase in the crime rate. Almost half of the countries around the world have already legalized it. Then I don't understand what prevents the remaining half to do the same.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 02, 2020, 09:00:17 AM

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There can be an internal reason why they've been running illegally. There might be a problem as they register because gambling isn't allowed for the locals. But for foreign visitors, they can gamble. It's about licensing and there's a big amount and tax that's involved on this matter.
And for the locals to continue themselves gambling, they don't care if it's a registered or not as long as it is running and they can gamble at their own will.

These restrictions doesn't make any sense. Nowadays people can easily travel from one country to another. Ban on gambling is not very effective, because the gamblers can simply travel to another country and do their trade there. The only impact will be on the country which banned gambling, because they are going to lose tax revenue and job generation. Restrictive laws doesn't work anymore.

I will go further and sya that restrictions are generally a bad thing, you can't stop people from doing what they want to do. Example are prisons, they can't keep drugs out of prison, what we need to say more? Restrictions today are used by governments to oppose control, its how they control the ones who are doing something illegal, they take money for protection.
Today every organized crime is connected with government, in one way or another. Except restrictions, wars, and all other bullshit it would be better to educate people, but if they would educate people then they wouldn't be able to rule.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 02, 2020, 09:00:17 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 30, 2020, 11:52:09 PM

There can be an internal reason why they've been running illegally. There might be a problem as they register because gambling isn't allowed for the locals. But for foreign visitors, they can gamble. It's about licensing and there's a big amount and tax that's involved on this matter.
And for the locals to continue themselves gambling, they don't care if it's a registered or not as long as it is running and they can gamble at their own will.

These restrictions doesn't make any sense. Nowadays people can easily travel from one country to another. Ban on gambling is not very effective, because the gamblers can simply travel to another country and do their trade there. The only impact will be on the country which banned gambling, because they are going to lose tax revenue and job generation. Restrictive laws doesn't work anymore.

They need to work with this as they are losing opportunities, like what you said gambling industry is really making huge rally banning
them will only make them to move to the other place and start working again, if the government will allow them to facilitate and impose taxes it will gives more venue of funds that can be divert to create more projects for the people.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 30, 2020, 11:52:09 PM

There can be an internal reason why they've been running illegally. There might be a problem as they register because gambling isn't allowed for the locals. But for foreign visitors, they can gamble. It's about licensing and there's a big amount and tax that's involved on this matter.
And for the locals to continue themselves gambling, they don't care if it's a registered or not as long as it is running and they can gamble at their own will.

These restrictions doesn't make any sense. Nowadays people can easily travel from one country to another. Ban on gambling is not very effective, because the gamblers can simply travel to another country and do their trade there. The only impact will be on the country which banned gambling, because they are going to lose tax revenue and job generation. Restrictive laws doesn't work anymore.

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Quote from: bobyhodob on July 31, 2020, 04:59:53 AM

I think it's not true because politics does not interfere in gambling, which usually interferes with local government, because as far as I know there are still some countries that use permits from the government to open gambling spots, while gambling in big cities like Los Angeles does not require participating government intervention because the city is already famous as the biggest gambling place in the world.

I don't think so. Because if the gambling places become bigger, and many politicians play together in those gambling places, there will be many deals that will make on those places. And that means politics can interfere with gambling because sometimes if one person has a will and has a problem, he will come to one person and invite him to his favorite thing, including gambling. He will make that person win any time so that he can ask something to that person after that. That will happen in another place too because politics is so rude.

The politic can also interfere in gambling if the owner has a relationship with one of the people in the Parlement, and he will use that person to help him to open his business in that city. Everything can be used for politics as we know that politics can be everywhere.

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Macau is one of the most law-abiding territories in Asia. It is well known for its gambling industry, but organized crime and fixing is very rare. Most of the casinos are owned by well known companies. And perhaps that is the reason why many of the Chinese and other gamblers prefer less well known destinations such as Cambodia and Vietnam.

One of the reasons for this is they evade taxes casinos pay million in taxes, so instead of paying the government they prefer to pay corrupt government officials and the police officials so they can evade arrest, their underground operations is hard to track because the authorities that supposed to catch them are the one protecting their casinos, it's their cash cow of course.

It would be getting good protection from top officials and due to which only such things could exist for so long and so much billions of dollars’ worth of bets was happening, else it would not have been possible to do it all alone. Money is something which even the officials get corrupt to accept bribe and fill their own pockets.

They don't even need to be corrupted, if some of the officials used the casino services they had something to lose in closing it.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 28, 2020, 05:39:50 AM

Macau is one of the most law-abiding territories in Asia. It is well known for its gambling industry, but organized crime and fixing is very rare. Most of the casinos are owned by well known companies. And perhaps that is the reason why many of the Chinese and other gamblers prefer less well known destinations such as Cambodia and Vietnam.

One of the reasons for this is they evade taxes casinos pay million in taxes, so instead of paying the government they prefer to pay corrupt government officials and the police officials so they can evade arrest, their underground operations is hard to track because the authorities that supposed to catch them are the one protecting their casinos, it's their cash cow of course.

It would be getting good protection from top officials and due to which only such things could exist for so long and so much billions of dollars’ worth of bets was happening, else it would not have been possible to do it all alone. Money is something which even the officials get corrupt to accept bribe and fill their own pockets.

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Quote from: desticy on July 31, 2020, 04:24:59 AM

The gamblers you are talking about take risk until the first big win they are not paid, before the first serious problem with serious money.
The goal of gambling is to hit the big jackpot. Nothing worse when you manage to do it, but the casino refuses to pay. But if you have taken a risk, then you must be ready for it. Right?
Big money and politics are inseparable. I think someone from above did not have enough money and they decided to close the shop.

Well sometimes gambling is being influenced by the politicians. They were gamblers became known and turn out to become politician same as with druglords. Hence these politicians always after the benefits from the gambler and therefore will be make sure to benefit out of it in exchange for the protection of small and big time illegal gambling activities in their jurisdiction. This is why corruption and other forms never stop because politicians were leading it though not all but some politicians.

I think it's not true because politics does not interfere in gambling, which usually interferes with local government, because as far as I know there are still some countries that use permits from the government to open gambling spots, while gambling in big cities like Los Angeles does not require participating government intervention because the city is already famous as the biggest gambling place in the world.

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Quote from: desticy on July 31, 2020, 04:24:59 AM

The gamblers you are talking about take risk until the first big win they are not paid, before the first serious problem with serious money.
The goal of gambling is to hit the big jackpot. Nothing worse when you manage to do it, but the casino refuses to pay. But if you have taken a risk, then you must be ready for it. Right?
Big money and politics are inseparable. I think someone from above did not have enough money and they decided to close the shop.

Well sometimes gambling is being influenced by the politicians. They were gamblers became known and turn out to become politician same as with druglords. Hence these politicians always after the benefits from the gambler and therefore will be make sure to benefit out of it in exchange for the protection of small and big time illegal gambling activities in their jurisdiction. This is why corruption and other forms never stop because politicians were leading it though not all but some politicians.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on July 29, 2020, 09:18:39 AM

Gamblers are people who are willing to take risky steps especially if huge amount of gains is in front of them. Some are cautious whether a site is trusted or not, while others do not really mind.
In this situation, Vietnam may have illegal casinos which may be brought by conflict with regulations of their nation. Maybe this casinos intends to not be affiliated with the government to prevent more problems.

The gamblers you are talking about take risk until the first big win they are not paid, before the first serious problem with serious money.
The goal of gambling is to hit the big jackpot. Nothing worse when you manage to do it, but the casino refuses to pay. But if you have taken a risk, then you must be ready for it. Right?
Big money and politics are inseparable. I think someone from above did not have enough money and they decided to close the shop.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on July 29, 2020, 09:18:39 AM

Gamblers are people who are willing to take risky steps especially if huge amount of gains is in front of them. Some are cautious whether a site is trusted or not, while others do not really mind.
In this situation, Vietnam may have illegal casinos which may be brought by conflict with regulations of their nation. Maybe this casinos intends to not be affiliated with the government to prevent more problems.

There can be an internal reason why they've been running illegally. There might be a problem as they register because gambling isn't allowed for the locals. But for foreign visitors, they can gamble. It's about licensing and there's a big amount and tax that's involved on this matter.
And for the locals to continue themselves gambling, they don't care if it's a registered or not as long as it is running and they can gamble at their own will.

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Gamblers are people who are willing to take risky steps especially if huge amount of gains is in front of them. Some are cautious whether a site is trusted or not, while others do not really mind.
In this situation, Vietnam may have illegal casinos which may be brought by conflict with regulations of their nation. Maybe this casinos intends to not be affiliated with the government to prevent more problems.

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