Topic: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position - page 14. (Read 55257 times)

I've been the target of his finger for almost 5.5 years.  I'd be curious what percentage of Techy's posts contain my name.  :/

Thank you JaredKaragen for bring attention to my two negative trust entries against the OP.  Is the general consensus they are valid?

I have stated who I trust, and I won't be making major changes soon.  I have to finish a gift I think the community needs and will really enjoy.

You can keep playing the victim card all you want, but you were one of the first people to abuse the trust system.



And you've continued to do it ever since (it's been almost 5.5 years):




As a wise man once said:

I appreciate you taking the time to review the issue. Unfortunately this type of dog piling and mobbing behavior has a distinct chilling effect against anyone speaking out against this type of behavior. That is in fact their intent targeting me, to make an example of people who criticize them in public so no one else will. This unfortunately includes when they act abusively and then no one wants to speak up about it for fear of being targeted themselves like this. This is their whole method of operation that allows this abuse to be perpetrated continually, and why I have been such a vocal opponent of trust system abuse, as I was one of the prototypical targets of it.

All of TECSHAREs outrage over something trust related threads are variations on the same theme that have been going on for well over half a decade now.

This is ridiculous. (I'm just finding the thread now)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10909003

Yeah;  this is a big deal.  If it was unintended you you to be back on DT TEC.... well;  no worries... shit happens.    I have to keep in mind Theymos is the one up on the pedestal (as he was put and is)....   He has that power to set status quo..... and we should respect his words.  Shit rolls down hill;  so, this is a no-brainer in the land of logic.

If vod as well, has reason to believe you should not be on DT because of the negatives in dealing with you or is certain you are not to be on DT as per Theymos;  well... I see his intentions in giving you that flag.

Does it fit the verbatim use of the trust flags?  not exactly how I personally interpret them as to be used.
Does it return things to the status quo?  yes.
Do I agree with it based on these facts?  sadly yes... because we lack a better system to readjust for now and i need to read further to want to change status quo.

Tec, I hope you understand my reasoning.  I know you do good things, I have seen you do them.  Don't let all of this phase you; its just water under a bridge. (shit, look at my recent neg trust flag;  it was a retalitory flag, wherein mine was based on evidence of a dev likely to not follow through and be associated with a group whom ran off with investments and never produced.   It happens to us all;  If I ever make a bad call: Ill come eat some crow with you)

I'm gonna try and shut my mouth at this point as I don't wanna do any speculation.... that does nobody any good, so ill try and keep out of it for now, since I think I have seen logical reasoning.

I hope my words meant something.


*edit*  TECSHARE;  I see your response.   This pretty much explains a lot since there is no burden of proof needed for theymos saying you should not be on DT for [reasons above], as well as others agreeing it was so and with the decision.
I will look into that link and chase it back as far as I can.  Thank you.

Vod being excluded presently, and you not?

Interesting.  

Also interesting that you mention a trust system abuse issue.

hmmm.....  it will take me a while to browse your pre 2014 (that thread start) post history to put it into context.  I speed read it and i see your point.   Makes me wanna read back and put context to their reasoning.

I appreciate your patience with me.... and hope you understand my thought process as I am laying it out.


Its hard to sus things out sometimes; don't want to chance misleading myself.

*edit#2:   "Just because you think a person not answering as to how they are making a profit;  doesn't mean you should abuse a system of power to punish them for your belief."  This is the synopsis of your DT exclusion I can gather in the fewest words by browsing many pages and trying to figure out where friendly memes/banter and seriousness begin.

You are historically trustworthy,  yes.

You are historically honest, yes... you even admitting to your mistake goes in hand with this TEC.   I see this; trust me I do....  but the weight they put on abuse of a position of power (unlike the recent impeachment articles forgive my political poke of a pun), I believe was correct as its a zero tolerance kind of thing in my book.  If I delegate some power to someone and if they break that trust and abuse it...   Its end of the line for that power for them IRL.
I respect you dude...   but... yeah I see now.  
Its all in all rough cookie;  as for right now's edition;  was it technically a misuse of trust to..... shit....

Recently I have given neg feedback associated with supporting datum...  

*JK resumes his silence understanding more of the scope of the situation*

I explained myself. Can you explain why you think the burden of proof should be on me to prove my innocence and not Vod and friends to prove my guilt? I don't find it productive to persue this line of questioning because it was intentionally designed to be something murky and unable to be substantiated in the hope that I would never be able to prove my innocence to anyone's satisfaction. They are making claims about my intent and character I have by design no way of proving. Requiring me to some how prove what happened in my mind is asinine.

Just because they have a story in their head they want to spread in no way means there aren't tons of very legitimate reasons why I did what I did. I shouldn't have to defend myself from every concoction people lob at me based on nothing but creative writing skills and suspicion. As you can see the same group of people making the accusations there are here attempting to maintain their fictional narrative in a sad attempt at using the trust system as a tool of retribution for not agreeing with them.

I was originally removed from the default trust (back when it was centralized) as detailed here. It was all based on a single rating I left for a user, who later turned out to be running a fraudulent charity. This is the event that caused many of the current posse of antagonists such as Vod to target me. I pointed out how the rules are arbitrarily enforced and how he does far more than I ever did on a regular basis as far as what they called abuse, he didn't like it, and began a years long effort to utilize the trust system to fight his petty vendettas. My reputability as far as trade was never once in question, this was all a targeted attack from day one.

I would also remind you, that Theymos no longer excludes me, but he does in fact exclude Vod. If the fact Theymos didn't want me on default trust 6 years ago is relevant, then surely it is just as relevant that he doesn't want Vod on the default trust currently.

Haven't read the whole thread, but I think this might answer your question? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tecshare-maliciously-abused-the-bitcointalk-trust-system-846683 . (he abused his default trust status and defended it by trying to play the victim)




Edit;

Looks like it was that thread, I think, and Theymos was the one that removed him.  I could be wrong though, this is from almost 5 months later:

I will leave it to Vod to substantiate the claim from Theymos;   *edit, thanks nut*
and the reason for your initial removal from DT is still unanswered....  I don't know that history.

I appreciate your answer,  can you tell me if there is post history between you and these persons I could easily look up to verify it?  around what dates should I look for those posts? (helps narrow it down when I go to look, unless you link me)  
These are my thoughts. thus far.....   need more information^^^

Thank you for the respect;  it goes a long way.


Any claims of discourse in the form of PM's; well.... idk how to approach that as its in the realm of "manipulable" in my book, so it doesn't carry much weight of evidence unless an admin verifies it. (no way to be in cahoots with another party when its archived public, or admin verified private data)


Yeah I remember all the stuff going on in the turkish board bleeding into meta as well;

I did open my mouth in a few threads with some accusations based on merit abuse and gave my opinion, then later on some based on DT abuse, and several of the accused were Turkish members whom have banned alts....  yet were(are?) on DT using an alt when they should be excommunicated/expunged...   I remember looking at them and on at least 4 of them:  the evidence was solid against the accused.
so....  
It was a sticky situation [as it is developing to be right about this sentence], and my main commenting in those threads was focused on how insane and misplaced many of the words from wolwoo were...   he was straight up defending obvious ban evaders using this logic;  "they are turkish that you accuse and everyone is attacking turkish", not acknowledging the truth of the facts presented by the accuser of x situation (there were over 6).    To wolwoo the facts be damned, he wanted to be able to spread merit and be on DT.... and have us be ok with attacking people in a very extreme manner just for something as simple as questioning the motive of his actions/words in the slightest.

There were many things going on right at that same time....  

*edit* thanks nutildah.  Well taken.    I carry his sentiment, backed up by my statements on wolwoo.   Doesn't mean im against him, its just, not in a position of power with that loose of a "verbal grounds" so to speak.  To each their own, but the greater part of society can't stand it from what I have seen over the years.

Still most curious as to how you lost DT the first time Tecshare? (were you ever on DT? i don't wanna assume anything at this point)   It does add to the scope of all of this and is 100% necessary info.

Your timeline is off. The trust trading was happening well before your involvement with Timelord's fake flag bonanza.

The post you linked is dated September 7th, and you were playing trust games with Russian and Turkish local board posters from July through August. The only reason these users were on your radar was because they had recently been promoted to DT1, and like you, were either off or barely hanging on by 1-2 votes. Your other great rationale for adding local board posters is because somebody like Foxpup, suchmoon or myself distrust them, which according to you, "makes them interesting." Still a terrible reason to include someone in your trust list, and evidence you don't belong on DT.


I assume he's talking about this, but there could be other instances of theymos inferring the same thing:


What's funny is in almost 5 years absolutely nothing has changed.

Playing the 'law and order' card is pretty rich considering you don't hold yourself to the same standard when the roles are reversed.

You can't have it both ways and always be the victim.

You seem like a reasonable person, and act with respect. I have no reason not to reciprocate. First, I would like to say that it is not upon me to prove my innocence, it is upon an accuser to prove the validity of their accusations. This is a base standard of any system of law or justice.

That said, if you review the original thread Vod bases his accusation on, you will see I made an effort to mutually resolve a conflict between members of the Turkish community and Timelord. This lead to several interactions with several of the members of the Turkish community, of which I gained respect for because of how they handled the response. I must assume they felt the same way and this is why they added me. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to and these accusations are nothing but a tall tale designed to make sure I wasn't allowed to be put back on the default trust instigated by people with very long time, publicly documented animus against me. In Vod's case his history of trust system abuse targeting me is well documented in this thread.

ok,   as an outside perspective:  you showed the genesis;  and retrospectively the neg trust, with its reference.  I will be as pragmatic, kurt, and fair and impartial as I can.  If you want me to give you the courtesy, do me the same and leave denigration at the door;  stick to simple facts with references.   

You say it is a feedback loop;  but here's the rub... when I investigate this;  I want to ask one question:

Is there a link to theymos stating Tech should not be on DT Vod?   This would solidify the accusation of being substantially more than just plausible; and solidifies even more the need to have the below answered. 

TEC:  A deep explanation of how you formed these specific links to seemingly random people to get back on DT... is interesting to say the least; and I am intrigued to have cleared up and explained in detail. 
This being if the above claim by Vod (an extremely trusted member) is true.    Getting kicked off DT isn't a small thing, and it means a huge breech of trust.   
It does seem fishy from a purely outsider "never been in the middle of this" situation.   I have to be fair given the facts I can see ¿comprende?  I'm not here to pick sides,  I am here to get to the bottom of all this drama.  We have had debates before and I have a level of respect for you;  I'm not here for debates or flinging of whatever.  I'm trying to solve some obvious problems cause people feel the need to air their laundry in the front yard sometimes so might as well look for the air freshener.


Now;  I am assuming there was something substantial done in the past... which lead to you losing DT (either your action, or an accusation against you).   

The simple fact that you got back on DT from a negative position, by means of such random accounts....   Does not add up at all no matter how I try to think about it, so thus why I asked you the paragraph above. 
There was quite an effort put there to get on DT.  I personally am curious as to why which the answered questions will give.

Please stay on topic.   This is a "positive feedback loop".  You complain about a belief mods are targeting you deleting posts,  which leads to those posts being deleted for being off topic...

If you have an issue with marlboroza, don't discuss it in this thread. 


That is worded as a demand, which Techy will focus on and attack you.  :/

Better:
More people are accusing Techy - not just me.

Stop shitposting, many posts have been removed from that thread, including my where I pointed you saying "no one cares about proofs of accusation".

As for some other parts of this post, you said:
And you quoted conversation between you and TwitchySeal, so you are accusing Vod and TwitchSeal that they are alt accounts. You are crazy. (not to mention that you said you posted PM because someone ignored you then you said it is not true - so you are crazy again.) Just accept that more people are accusing you, it is not Vod only.

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/wip/HNNqh

Since the moderators have determined me defending myself from Vod's accusation in the thread about Nullius's trust system abuse is off topic, even though Vod's accusation is completely what it is based on, I guess I will just post my removed posts from there here since criticism of Vod's behavior always seems to be off topic even when it is very much on topic.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51007199