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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 24, 2015, 03:29:54 PM

Most likely this is dealing in stolen goods...it doesn't take
a genius to figure that out.

Tecshare, you wouldn't know "evidence" if it bit you
in the ass. What evidence do you have that the world
is round? Everything is "speculation" according to you.

In my opinion, he did use a lot of their powers to impose on all the members of this forum.

If you want to stop all transactions here it is best not to have this forum and should not exist Bitcoin.

Or Do not put the list Marketplace here, Please remove it from forum

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:03:09 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 09:44:26 PM

What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!

Most likely this is dealing in stolen goods...it doesn't take
a genius to figure that out.

Tecshare, you wouldn't know "evidence" if it bit you
in the ass. What evidence do you have that the world
is round? Everything is "speculation" according to you.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:32:14 AM

Quote from: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 01:26:53 AM

What I was saying is that if Vod was trying to get rid of everything that is illegal on this forum, the marketplace is filled with them.

I am sure there is some illegitimate activity going on somewhere on the forums, but unfortunately lots of the time this can not be proven. In most cases this is demonstrated by missing money or digital goods being revoked. In a case where everyone is satisfied and no actual criminal activity is necessarily taking place, simply playing guessing games that something might go wrong or "could be" criminal and then marking people as criminal scammers is not appropriate, especially when done on such a large scale with little discussion. This is not the behavior of some one that should be in a position of authority like the default trust list.

Nice signature!

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Quote from: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 01:26:53 AM

What I was saying is that if Vod was trying to get rid of everything that is illegal on this forum, the marketplace is filled with them.

I am sure there is some illegitimate activity going on somewhere on the forums, but unfortunately lots of the time this can not be proven. In most cases this is demonstrated by missing money or digital goods being revoked. In a case where everyone is satisfied and no actual criminal activity is necessarily taking place, simply playing guessing games that something might go wrong or "could be" criminal and then marking people as criminal scammers is not appropriate, especially when done on such a large scale with little discussion. This is not the behavior of some one that should be in a position of authority like the default trust list.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:23:33 AM

Quote from: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 01:05:36 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:03:09 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 09:44:26 PM

What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!

Don't we sell illegal drugs, gift cards bought by stolen credit cards with BTC?

I agree with TECSHARE, what's the difference between those keys and these illegal things?

I personally don't sell drugs or buy gift cards bought with stolen credit cards, nor do I advocate those things. The important distinction is these key sellers are not doing anything illegal or even against forum rules, and seemingly all of their customers are satisfied over long periods of time. Where is the victim? No victim, no crime. Speculating that there MIGHT be a victim is not grounds for marking one a scammer and a criminal, let alone doing it to retailers en-mass.

What I was saying is that if Vod was trying to get rid of everything that is illegal on this forum, the marketplace is filled with them.

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Quote from: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 01:05:36 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:03:09 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 09:44:26 PM

What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!

Don't we sell illegal drugs, gift cards bought by stolen credit cards with BTC?

I agree with TECSHARE, what's the difference between those keys and these illegal things?

I personally don't sell drugs or buy gift cards bought with stolen credit cards, nor do I advocate those things. The important distinction is these key sellers are not doing anything illegal or even against forum rules, and seemingly all of their customers are satisfied over long periods of time. Where is the victim? No victim, no crime. Speculating that there MIGHT be a victim is not grounds for marking one a scammer and a criminal, let alone doing it to retailers en-mass.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 23, 2015, 01:03:09 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 09:44:26 PM

What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!

Don't we sell illegal drugs, gift cards bought by stolen credit cards with BTC?

I agree with TECSHARE, what's the difference between those keys and these illegal things?

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Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 09:44:26 PM

What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!

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What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription? The one the seller steals from?

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Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 22, 2015, 02:38:35 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 02:37:38 AM

Quote from: Hazir on March 22, 2015, 02:34:41 AM

That bothers me - Vod if you are playing like that and you want to destroy all evil, then please search through forum to find every other MSDN keys&account dealer and other service resellers and give them all red trust once and for all.

If you review my trust, you'll see I've left negative feedback to nine Microsoft key sellers TODAY.

I'm not picking on any one individual scammer.

What about HBO Go and netflix sellers? Starbucks sellers? Why not them. Heck they are the real culprits selling stolen goods. MSDN is not stolen.

I notice that there's no reply to this as of yet. It does seem that he singled out MSDN for the -trust-a-thon. And I'll say this to the OP as well as I said it in another thread. Basically say in your thread that the key is under warranty for 1 month (example is up 2 u) and if key fails before then a full amount will be returned. If the key is not gone bad, then no refund shall be given. Timeframes are at your discretion and its completely up to you. But when 1 person takes the responsibility of being robocop on MSDN keys all you can do is play by the rules. Now if all the msdn sellers then do this, and I'm sure they won't though, and he leaves negative feedback then, on lets say the 9 he did today, wouldn't that be abuse of the trust system since he singled out just MSDN sellers when the trader and tradee's both know the agreement and consequences?

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on March 22, 2015, 05:23:36 AM

It will turn in a scam when microsoft will block the MSDN account that has generated those keys, remember the trust system is not moderated but a few times an admin removed one or two users (but this will not be the case of Vod , the scambuster!).

It works both ways. People buying these want a cheaper Microsoft serial code, the only way that can happen is through these MSDN accounts. If whoever owns the MSDN is greedy and sells too many, it will get more attention and likely be shut down. If they are not, you're free to use Windows until your computer claps out. It is not illegal, just against Microsoft T&C - they are not the law.

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Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 22, 2015, 05:04:13 AM

Quote from: abyrnes81 on March 22, 2015, 04:47:36 AM

It is not illegal to sell "fake" microsoft key that it will turn invalid after a couple of days (or maybe weeks). It is only a scam , but it is not illegal. If the OP think that vod abused the trust system he can open a thread in the Meta : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

We are not selling fake keys, VOD thinks that this is spam because they 'might' get banned where as there has never been a single case in all of history.

Here is the meta thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vod-abusing-trust-system-999252

It will turn in a scam when microsoft will block the MSDN account that has generated those keys, remember the trust system is not moderated but a few times an admin removed one or two users (but this will not be the case of Vod , the scambuster!).

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on March 22, 2015, 04:47:36 AM

It is not illegal to sell "fake" microsoft key that it will turn invalid after a couple of days (or maybe weeks). It is only a scam , but it is not illegal. If the OP think that vod abused the trust system he can open a thread in the Meta : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

We are not selling fake keys, VOD thinks that this is spam because they 'might' get banned where as there has never been a single case in all of history.

Here is the meta thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vod-abusing-trust-system-999252

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It is not illegal to sell "fake" microsoft key that it will turn invalid after a couple of days (or maybe weeks). It is only a scam , but it is not illegal. If the OP think that vod abused the trust system he can open a thread in the Meta : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

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Nope..

Just ignore this user. His credibility is waning badly.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 22, 2015, 02:14:31 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 22, 2015, 02:11:06 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 22, 2015, 01:57:32 AM

Like I said, I think we should give Vod the opportunity to respond and cite which law he thinks is being broken. I don't think the situation is so urgent that a conclusion needs to be made this minute

Seriously? You expect VOD to back up his accusations? When has he ever done this? VOD's authority is granted by being self assured of his superiority. He has no desire to justify his actions which are clearly above the heads of the mere mortals he places his ratings upon. All he has to do is make baseless accusations, leave a few negative ratings, and lemmings such as yourself will concur with his baseless declarations, because, you know, BURN THE WITCH!!1

Well I think he should be given the opportunity to backup his claims. I don't think it is fair to go around saying that he is abusing his position on default trust until he has at least been given some time to either backup his claims that the law is being broken or correct/adjust the trust that he left.

Notice how this isn't happening and he just continues to roll on negging every key seller in sight like the question about legality never happened? He simply pretends that things that are counter to his arguments don't exist and continues as self assured as ever. Shocking I know!

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Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 22, 2015, 02:38:35 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 02:37:38 AM

Quote from: Hazir on March 22, 2015, 02:34:41 AM

That bothers me - Vod if you are playing like that and you want to destroy all evil, then please search through forum to find every other MSDN keys&account dealer and other service resellers and give them all red trust once and for all.

If you review my trust, you'll see I've left negative feedback to nine Microsoft key sellers TODAY.

I'm not picking on any one individual scammer.

What about HBO Go and netflix sellers? Starbucks sellers? Why not them. Heck they are the real culprits selling stolen goods. MSDN is not stolen.

Good point. I'll have to say here that most digital goods on this forum don't have a legitimate source. So it's really no use fighting against it anyways.

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Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 02:37:38 AM

Quote from: Hazir on March 22, 2015, 02:34:41 AM

That bothers me - Vod if you are playing like that and you want to destroy all evil, then please search through forum to find every other MSDN keys&account dealer and other service resellers and give them all red trust once and for all.

If you review my trust, you'll see I've left negative feedback to nine Microsoft key sellers TODAY.

I'm not picking on any one individual scammer.

What about HBO Go and netflix sellers? Starbucks sellers? Why not them. Heck they are the real culprits selling stolen goods. MSDN is not stolen.

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Quote from: Hazir on March 22, 2015, 02:34:41 AM

That bothers me - Vod if you are playing like that and you want to destroy all evil, then please search through forum to find every other MSDN keys&account dealer and other service resellers and give them all red trust once and for all.

If you review my trust, you'll see I've left negative feedback to nine Microsoft key sellers TODAY.

I'm not picking on any one individual scammer.

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Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 02:24:53 AM

Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 22, 2015, 02:05:55 AM

Quote from: Vod on March 22, 2015, 01:59:15 AM

Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 21, 2015, 11:24:25 PM

I'll stop selling keys immediately, but everyone should do that

Excellent. Contact me after one month and I will remove the negative feedback.

You can read the rest of it right? If not do so. Stop playing games.

There is no "rest of it" to read. I'm asking you to stop selling keys that will eventually become invalid (scamming those you sold it to) and you have agreed to do so.

I'm willing to remove the negative trust if you keep your word. Everyone is entitled to a second chance.

I personally have no problem with it as long as 'rewarding' someone with red trust is justified and morally right, not just because 'I can do it, and I don't like someone - therefore - red trust". In this case I have slight objections because you are just doing this to one person. That bothers me - Vod if you are playing like that and you want to destroy all evil, then please search through forum to find every other MSDN keys&account dealer and other service resellers and give them all red trust once and for all.

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