Vote for new moderators who deserve it. @theymos please take a look.

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I’ve only just found this thread and most of the options in the polls are horrible choices (imo).

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People like the pharmacist, vod and jet cash are great people and do great things for the forum but I’m not sure whether theymos would consider them for the mod position. Skim reading the other posts here, Jet cash wouldn’t want to be a mod and I can understand why.

Vod is already doing a lot for the forum, I think making him a mod might just burn him out.

Loyce has often been suggested as one of the best for reporting (by theymosdireactly) and I think he’s a good user but it is difficult to determine who theymos will actually accept and they’ll be started off on the boards that matter less (off topic, p&s, speculation that sort of thing imo - or just sddd to the list of the Asltcoin section because it’s starting to seem the mods must each do 10hour shifts there in order to fully obliterate everything that’s spammy).

Also, didn’t tman leave?

if this is a duplicate I’ll delete it but skimming the thread this doesn’t seem to have been discussed yet.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 11, 2018, 04:05:10 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 11, 2018, 02:31:18 PM

That's fair enough it is a demanding job and I imagine can be stressful too.

Dmdrdmdr seems to have a more balanced and logical mind I guess he would not be too bad for this. I mean anyone who is reasonable and balanced, objective, and willing to revise a decision if observable events suggest it is needed should be considered if they have enough experience here.

Yeah, someone who is rational, and will hold their hand up, and admit fault, but not only that but improve too. However, someone as unbiased as possible. This is more difficult than it first appears, because I don't think anyone is truly unbiased whatever the circumstances. Users tend to appear neutral in several situations, but they'll always have a bias towards one side. There are a few suitable candidates out there I think. I'm not sure on how much Dmdrdmdr reports, and can only judge him based on his posts, and persona. Seems to be logical that's for sure. Honestly though, you could be completely clueless about Bitcoin, have no prospects, and no brains. However, if you knew the forum policies, and guidelines, and where able to use your own initiative when "enforcing" these guidelines then you'd be pretty damn good at the job. Rank is irrelevant.

Could not agree with your more. Let's hope if we are to get more mods this is exactly the kind that are added.

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Quote from: cryptohunter on December 11, 2018, 02:31:18 PM

That's fair enough it is a demanding job and I imagine can be stressful too.

Dmdrdmdr seems to have a more balanced and logical mind I guess he would not be too bad for this. I mean anyone who is reasonable and balanced, objective, and willing to revise a decision if observable events suggest it is needed should be considered if they have enough experience here.

Yeah, someone who is rational, and will hold their hand up, and admit fault, but not only that but improve too. However, someone as unbiased as possible. This is more difficult than it first appears, because I don't think anyone is truly unbiased whatever the circumstances. Users tend to appear neutral in several situations, but they'll always have a bias towards one side. There are a few suitable candidates out there I think. I'm not sure on how much Dmdrdmdr reports, and can only judge him based on his posts, and persona. Seems to be logical that's for sure. Honestly though, you could be completely clueless about Bitcoin, have no prospects, and no brains. However, if you knew the forum policies, and guidelines, and where able to use your own initiative when "enforcing" these guidelines then you'd be pretty damn good at the job. Rank is irrelevant.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 10, 2018, 08:27:33 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 08:12:40 PM

I have to wonder why darkstar is not on this list. Perhaps he does not want to be but actually since I have taken a break from the alt board and discovered new users on the sub boards this person seems to be open minded and balanced. If he wishes not to be then that is completely understandable as it is a demanding and time consuming position.

I doubt Darkstar has the time to report with personal life, and his campaign management. There are a few users that report a lot that aren't on the list though. They just aren't "forum famous" enough to be included out of the blue. The only way we could have a genuine election would be if new updated report statistics were released. However, theymos seems to want to keep this away from the public eye at the moment as he sent Hilariousandco the top reporters in Bitcoin Discussion, but didn't release it publicly for whatever reason.

That's fair enough it is a demanding job and I imagine can be stressful too.

Dmdrdmdr seems to have a more balanced and logical mind I guess he would not be too bad for this. I mean anyone who is reasonable and balanced, objective, and willing to revise a decision if observable events suggest it is needed should be considered if they have enough experience here.

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Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 08:12:40 PM

I have to wonder why darkstar is not on this list. Perhaps he does not want to be but actually since I have taken a break from the alt board and discovered new users on the sub boards this person seems to be open minded and balanced. If he wishes not to be then that is completely understandable as it is a demanding and time consuming position.

I doubt Darkstar has the time to report with personal life, and his campaign management. There are a few users that report a lot that aren't on the list though. They just aren't "forum famous" enough to be included out of the blue. The only way we could have a genuine election would be if new updated report statistics were released. However, theymos seems to want to keep this away from the public eye at the moment as he sent Hilariousandco the top reporters in Bitcoin Discussion, but didn't release it publicly for whatever reason.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 10, 2018, 06:55:43 PM

Theymos is the only one that really knows who's suitable, and I think he hasn't made too many mistakes when selecting users. It must be so hard to actually get a consistent, and trustworthy bunch together when most of them are completely anonymous. I think reporting posts shows good intent as its largely a thankless job. Especially, in sections which are already heavily moderated.

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 06:43:54 PM

I agree and they are not even that popular only with each other. Most are quite unsuitable for any position of power here.

Fairness is the number 1 thing I would look for. Being a moderator is akin to being a judge. You need balance, logic and reason along with being objective and open minded.

And the patience to shift through hundreds of messages all complaining about the forum in someway. Whether its about some other user or themselves being treated "unfairly".

Well I agree that is why subjectivity must be removed as far as it is possible and strict criteria applied. However the human element of fairness and empathy must be strong in any position of power things are rarely black and white and the context is never the same. It is a difficult position and one that I feel is tough to get right all the time. The decision and basis must always be transparent though which makes the job even more tough.

I think the moderation on this board is very good as it is. New mods must be selected very carefully. I would say any person that is willing to do their best to find the optimal decision based on all information at hand is the man for the job.

The fact this board allows questioning and analysis of decisions makes moderator position even more demanding but is one of the best things about this board. It is really in the spirit of this entire arena.

I have to wonder why darkstar is not on this list. Perhaps he does not want to be but actually since I have taken a break from the alt board and discovered new users on the sub boards this person seems to be open minded and balanced. If he wishes not to be then that is completely understandable as it is a demanding and time consuming position.

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Theymos is the only one that really knows who's suitable, and I think he hasn't made too many mistakes when selecting users. It must be so hard to actually get a consistent, and trustworthy bunch together when most of them are completely anonymous. I think reporting posts shows good intent as its largely a thankless job. Especially, in sections which are already heavily moderated.

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 06:43:54 PM

I agree and they are not even that popular only with each other. Most are quite unsuitable for any position of power here.

Fairness is the number 1 thing I would look for. Being a moderator is akin to being a judge. You need balance, logic and reason along with being objective and open minded.

And the patience to shift through hundreds of messages all complaining about the forum in someway. Whether its about some other user or themselves being treated "unfairly".

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Quote from: admissions on December 10, 2018, 06:21:13 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 06:03:31 PM

Some of these have proven they certainly are not good selections for being a mod.

You need people that are open minded and not afraid to revise their first decision if logical and reasonable consideration of observable events require it. Also need to be balanced and fair.

There is only 1 person so far that I have encountered that seemed to be sensible and reasonable.

What criteria was used to place these selections here.

For sure I do not say ALL would be unsuitable but for certain some would.

This selection is horrible really its just members which are popular here on the forums rather than people who report the most. Reporting posts in sections which are in need of moderators should be the highest thing when considering a member as a moderator. Then judging those that report the most against each other and taking in time zones in an account. theymos probably has his own system but amount of reports and time zone surely are the highest priority and of course whether they are trustworthy or not.

I agree and they are not even that popular only with each other. Most are quite unsuitable for any position of power here.

Fairness is the number 1 thing I would look for. Being a moderator is akin to being a judge. You need balance, logic and reason along with being objective and open minded.

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Quote from: cryptohunter on December 10, 2018, 06:03:31 PM

Some of these have proven they certainly are not good selections for being a mod.

You need people that are open minded and not afraid to revise their first decision if logical and reasonable consideration of observable events require it. Also need to be balanced and fair.

There is only 1 person so far that I have encountered that seemed to be sensible and reasonable.

What criteria was used to place these selections here.

For sure I do not say ALL would be unsuitable but for certain some would.

This selection is horrible really its just members which are popular here on the forums rather than people who report the most. Reporting posts in sections which are in need of moderators should be the highest thing when considering a member as a moderator. Then judging those that report the most against each other and taking in time zones in an account. theymos probably has his own system but amount of reports and time zone surely are the highest priority and of course whether they are trustworthy or not.

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Some of these have proven they certainly are not good selections for being a mod.

You need people that are open minded and not afraid to revise their first decision if logical and reasonable consideration of observable events require it. Also need to be balanced and fair.

There is only 1 person so far that I have encountered that seemed to be sensible and reasonable.

What criteria was used to place these selections here.

For sure I do not say ALL would be unsuitable but for certain some would.

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I don't think a reminder via a bump hurts either. I think they only way things will get done here is if the community keeps asking for them and the best way for that is to keep threads active on pressing issues, otherwise the threads could just get buried and forgotten about. Remember, theymos seemed to be dead against the one merit-requirement for Juniors initially but eventually came round to it. I don't know how much that decision was based on the overwhelming demand from the community but letting him know it's something we want or support is a good way to make sure it's something he sees and lets him know that it's something that is actively wanted by many.

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Quote from: vphasitha01 on October 10, 2018, 02:25:31 PM

Members shouldn't use images to just clog the threads.

I totally agree. It's an unfortunate fact that most online articles these days do the exact same thing--they put unnecessary pictures right in the middle of an article--not even advertisements--and it's annoying.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 08, 2018, 02:31:03 AM

Bump. It's long time. I think still admin hasn't assign any mod.

I don't think you need to bump this thread. Even if Theymos was going to hire new moderators, the decision likely wouldn't come down to a poll like this, and bumping the thread isn't putting any pressure on him to do anything. If Theymos decides more mods are necessary (and I happen to think they are), he'll act.

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Bump. It's long time. I think still admin hasn't assign any mod.

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Quote from: shasan on October 10, 2018, 11:44:29 AM

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I don't know why you added these two redundent big images in your post but not just mentioning the users you voted. Members shouldn't use images to just clog the threads.

Sorry OP if I made a off-topic reply, but it has to be stated to avoid these actions.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 10, 2018, 03:31:53 AM

Locking a spam thread isn't really an urgent report. We have to actually go through the thread and make sure it has actually served its purpose.
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This is why I think we should be cracking down on campaigns that pay for this crap rather than playing cat and mouse and locking good threads that have just turned to drivel because of spammers that are being paid for low quality contributions.

I don't disagree, and I've voiced my support for increasing the merit requirements to display a signature and forcing bounty managers to stop paying for spam on other threads. However, I still think the community (the minority of it that aren't shitposters) should be taking in active role in trying to clean up the sub boards. I agree that deleting spam comments and locking mega threads aren't urgent or that important compared to other tasks demanding attention of Global Mods, which is why we need a dedicated board mod or two who can focus on these sorts of things.

Quote from: subSTRATA on October 09, 2018, 08:15:07 PM

yeah, it seems lately we've lost more staff than we've taken on, and there are big gaps of time when reports just aren't being handled quickly enough, which is problematic from time to time. for example, there was a spam newbie account that was posting thread after thread of nonsensical garbage, and even with the restriction on time between posts, they managed to fill just about the entire first page with spam threads before a patroller / moderator was able to see my reports and nuke the account.

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. There have been a couple of times I've reported some completely worthless thread (e.g. "Is Bitcoin Good?" or similar), but by the time it is acted upon several days later the thread has already accumulated 4 or 5 pages of spammy replies.

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I think now, after the change and the new restriction the situation is much better. I don't really think new moderators /in the English section at least/ are needed. I think we need more time to see if is still needed.

I don`t think that we can talk about any qualitative changes yet. To get (or to buy, or to beg) 1 Merit isn`t difficult, so the number of spammers hasn`t decreased. I believe that new moderators are needed, especially in the English section, since it`s drowning in the waves of shitposts. The peculiarities of the bounty campaigns requirements provide for the majority of posts to be written in the English section, therefore the bulk of the spammers were and remain concentrated there.

I just gonna quote LoyceV here>

Quote from: LoyceV on October 09, 2018, 01:56:42 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on September 18, 2018, 01:21:07 PM

In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's 15.9% less posts.
In 2 weeks, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 3 weeks, that's 22.2% less posts.

OP updated.
The reduction in total posts went up again!

Quote from: LoyceV on October 01, 2018, 03:35:46 AM

If I ignore the one week before and after theymos' changes, and only look at the number of posts made a week earlier and later (so posts made from September 3 to September 10, and from September 24 to October 1), it went down from 355933 to 280633 posts. That's a 21.2% reduction.

If I ignore the two weeks before and after theymos' changes, and only look at the number of posts made two weeks earlier and later (so posts made from August 27 to September 3, and from October 1 to October Cool

, it went down from 367037 to 260330 posts. That's a 29.1% reduction.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 09, 2018, 04:23:46 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2018, 12:54:04 AM

What? How so? Nothing much has changed other than shitposters now need one merit and once they get that it's business as usual (and it's really not hard to get at all whether you buy it or not). Bitcoin Discussion is still a spam fest and people are still shitting up it up 24/7 and that's not going to change anytime soon or until signature campaigns are punished for paying for spam. In the meantime we can add some mods to help clean the place up.

BD is desperately crying out for moderation. I've been reporting several spam mega threads a day for the past couple of weeks to be locked or trashed - they always are, but sometimes it is taking 48-72 hours for the reports to be acted upon. I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but the global mods clearly have just too much to do without also being board mods for the majority of boards that don't have a dedicated mod.

Locking a spam thread isn't really an urgent report. We have to actually go through the thread and make sure it has actually served its purpose. Sometimes I leave the reports because it's arguable about what a spam thread is. Sometimes the original post can be well written and well thought out, but if spammers can just answer the question in the title without reading the thread then it can quickly become unusable, but also sometimes people can still be making intelligent posts in there. This is why I think we should be cracking down on campaigns that pay for this crap rather than playing cat and mouse and locking good threads that have just turned to drivel because of spammers that are being paid for low quality contributions. Until that changes we're just wasting time and energy really.

Quote from: subSTRATA on October 09, 2018, 08:15:07 PM

well now that we have access to our own stats, it'd be possible to compile a community list in the case theymos for whatever reason isn't willing to compile another top 50 list in the future.

You can compile as many lists as you want but it's futile if theymos isn't going to take any notice of it and the problem here is theymos just isn't acting on these things.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on October 09, 2018, 02:19:49 AM

Is there anyway to identify the list of people who have reported most? Because those kind of people were deserved to be mods.

I too already voted for the five persons but still much people not interested in adding the new mods since we have very less votes on the pools.

he posts a list of the top whatever reporters every now and then. hopefully i'm still in the top 50 list with all the time i've taken off the forum. i feel we're due for another update pretty soon though.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2018, 12:54:04 AM

What? How so? Nothing much has changed other than shitposters now need one merit and once they get that it's business as usual (and it's really not hard to get at all whether you buy it or not). Bitcoin Discussion is still a spam fest and people are still shitting up it up 24/7 and that's not going to change anytime soon or until signature campaigns are punished for paying for spam. In the meantime we can add some mods to help clean the place up.

BD is desperately crying out for moderation. I've been reporting several spam mega threads a day for the past couple of weeks to be locked or trashed - they always are, but sometimes it is taking 48-72 hours for the reports to be acted upon. I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but the global mods clearly have just too much to do without also being board mods for the majority of boards that don't have a dedicated mod.

yeah, it seems lately we've lost more staff than we've taken on, and there are big gaps of time when reports just aren't being handled quickly enough, which is problematic from time to time. for example, there was a spam newbie account that was posting thread after thread of nonsensical garbage, and even with the restriction on time between posts, they managed to fill just about the entire first page with spam threads before a patroller / moderator was able to see my reports and nuke the account.

I'm not sure if the staff are struggling to keep up with the current rate of reports (i would assume not) but i think it'd be a great idea to have some carefully chosen additions to the team so that we can have fewer gaps throughout the day where there (normally) would not be any moderators present.

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2018, 03:34:41 AM

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Only theymos has access to those stats. He posts them occasionally but hasn't in a while. He sent me the top reporters in Bitcoin Discussion a few months ago after I requested them, but no further action was taken.

well now that we have access to our own stats, it'd be possible to compile a community list in the case theymos for whatever reason isn't willing to compile another top 50 list in the future.

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