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bitcoin retard
Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...

Nope!.. for one simple reason.. The PRIVATE KEY belonging to the UTXO is no longer PRIVATE.

So for me to take control of those "old, legacy, pre-BCH" Bitcoin UTXO would mean someone else knows the PRIVATE KEY... remember "NYKNYC" also means "OYKTPK" (Only You Know The Private Key)

Yeah lets see 300k vs 1.5k

let it sit for now.

down the road if the prefork grows say 3 mill and 30k

you can move 2.9999 btc out of old fork address. then fix the bch. but at 1.5k it is not worth fucking with the 300k part.

In the wise words of your BFF Trump......  "I really don't know what he(you) said"

I don't think AlcoHoDL post has anything to do with roger's BCH POS coin!

if they are prefork it implies that the BCH is on the BCH chain and that the BCH was not cashed out.

Cashing out the fork coins is delicate as you can fuck up and lose the BTC.

Somewhere on this forum theymos gave details on how to safely remove the BCH with out losing the BTC..

If I held 3 old BTC prefork it means I have 3 BCH

I read the question to ask are these worth more the answer is yes.

3BTC + 3BCH. which today is around 306,000 + 1,800

vs 3 new BTC which are worth 306,000

I simply said I would leave it alone as 1,800 in BCH is not much compared to 306,000 in BTC

and you could fuck up trying to release the BCH.

I guess you read the question differently than me.

Thanks for that reply Phil.

hisslyness is right in that he interpreted my question correctly, but your reply is also relevant.

I don't think it's worth messing things up and risking $300k, just to gain $1800. This guy is a total noob, living on the other side of the planet and I have to guide him over the phone on what to do.

BTW, he is so happy he got those 3 BTC, and I'm really happy too, seeing that my advice was a success for him. If only more people had listened to us... But I guess the citadel has limited space. Only a select few can reside there, and we are all residents. My friend too, as 3 BTC is no small amount, and he'll soon be a dollar millionaire.

Thank you in the name of the community for converting another one and bringing him to the orange light!
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精神分析的爸
Breaking 100k feels good EVERY SINGLE TIME.  Grin

I wouldn't mind repeating that a few times before we proceed.
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bitcoin retard
Best time to sell Bcash would have been Dec 2017 though. Looking at its price right now, the premium might be worth more.
The best time to sell BCH was when I sold 1 BCH for 0.5 BTC at Kraken! At that time, Kraken was overloaded and the website barely worked. BCH was traded like crazy, very volatile, and the exchange rate elsewhere was much lower when I saw that price and clicked "sell". It dropped right after that. In retrospect, it was my best trade ever Cheesy

congrats to that!

I regret not having sold that early. After that BCH was just a shit show like any other shitcoin.

I kept it quite a while as a kind of hedge, because I thought "If something happens to BTC all miners would have to mine BCH", because of the same algo.

So you could say I took off some risk for rewards, but in reality I just feel stupid having kept it too long.
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
That $10,000 dump followed with a fast $10,000 pump back to $100,000!
Buying time opportunity. Don't think of it as a flash crash, think of it as a flash sale.
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bitcoin retard
Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...

Nope!.. for one simple reason.. The PRIVATE KEY belonging to the UTXO is no longer PRIVATE.

So for me to take control of those "old, legacy, pre-BCH" Bitcoin UTXO would mean someone else knows the PRIVATE KEY... remember "NYKNYC" also means "OYKTPK" (Only You Know The Private Key)

Exactly. Which means that keeping them makes sense only if the "collector" is the coin hodler himself. Selling the coins to someone else, while keeping them in their current (legacy) state, means that the current owner (my friend) would have to give the buyer the private key, thus making it no longer private (both would know it, and it can't be changed).


[...as above...]

No. Makes no diff. Untraceable ones might be worth a premium though.

He's lucky. They are untraceable. I bought them for him using a Bitcoin ATM, no ID or other info submitted, totally anonymous (unless there was a camera recording me, not him!). That's where I bought many of my own coins back then, had not yet started using exchanges. Exciting times.

I really feel embarrassed by not have gotten it right away. Thanks for the clarification!
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Best time to sell Bcash would have been Dec 2017 though. Looking at its price right now, the premium might be worth more.
The best time to sell BCH was when I sold 1 BCH for 0.5 BTC at Kraken! At that time, Kraken was overloaded and the website barely worked. BCH was traded like crazy, very volatile, and the exchange rate elsewhere was much lower when I saw that price and clicked "sell". It dropped right after that. In retrospect, it was my best trade ever Cheesy
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bitcoin retard
Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...

Nope!.. for one simple reason.. The PRIVATE KEY belonging to the UTXO is no longer PRIVATE.

So for me to take control of those "old, legacy, pre-BCH" Bitcoin UTXO would mean someone else knows the PRIVATE KEY... remember "NYKNYC" also means "OYKTPK" (Only You Know The Private Key)

Maybe it's because of my retard brain, but I don't get, why is the key no longer private?  I mean, as long as you haven't sent any BTC or BCH from that address not even the signature is known right?
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Addicted to HoDLing!
Back on track again.
The cherry has now been popped.
There's no turning back!

#uppityhaiku
hero member
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bitcoin retard
Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...

it comes down to what you gain by selling BCH now vs the potential "collector's premium".

Best time to sell Bcash would have been Dec 2017 though. Looking at its price right now, the premium might be worth more.

Also, it's way to late to sell / claim the other forks and airdrops. Combining these with BCH they would have been almost the same value as the underlying BTC in their prime times.

TLDR
I would speculate on a premium!
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fly or die
100K here you are again

Yesterday the government of my country fell, there is no budget for 2025 and potentially a US style shutdown. I woke up this morning not too optimistic about it, although I didn't have too much time to think about it last night as I worked until midnight. I took a look at my phone and saw the BTC widget showing 6 figures... Much happier after that !

Not much work will be accomplished today needless to say...

US style shutdown? Nobody really notices and everyone gets backpay anyway?

Ah ah. Let's say we used to joke about what was happening in the US in such cases, not anymore...
legendary
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Addicted to HoDLing!
[...]

Edit: I see that maybe most of my post is no longer relevant, since AlcoHoDL clarified matters, yet I am going to let it stand, since I had already written it.

Edit2: In the Japanese department, for some reason, I prefer Toyota over Honda..

Regarding my question, my friend treated his BTC as if they were real coins, and assumed that their legacy status could one day make them more valuable as "collector's items". The thing is, with real coins, you can sell a rare, old coin at a premium and you can transfer ownership by physically handing it over to the buyer. With Bitcoin, the equivalent would be to give the buyer the private key, which you also know (and cannot guarantee you won't use), so it defeats the purpose -- the buyer can never really be the sole owner of the legacy Bitcoin (unless s/he kills you, or uses a Men In Black Memory Eraser on you, and still there could exist backups accessed by others).

About Toyota vs. Honda, I also would choose Toyota over Honda, although Honda engines are supposed to be of very high quality, especially the motorcycle ones, from what I've heard. I'm eyeing the latest CH-R Hybrid -- will probably be my next car. Was keen on getting a Tesla, but it has lost some of its appeal to me for ... reasons.
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
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All good things to those who wait
Nice to see 100K again so soon. This is a good sign for the coming months.
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That $10,000 dump followed with a fast $10,000 pump back to $100,000!
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
In the past, I had one WO regular do that for me - for a reasonable fee. I also asked him to sell some shitcoins I had obtained through airdrops. I was happy with his service.
I kinda liked doing this, each time it's a little treasure hunt. But I've only had a few "customers", and the last one was years ago. I set up a dedicated laptop to work securely (keeping keys offline in untrusted wallets), but I've wiped that laptop by now.
BSV is by far the most annoying one to claim. Even their Electrum clone is shitty.

To not get my ass kicked out of WO: HODL Bitcoin, sell Forkcoins Smiley
legendary
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Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...
There's BCH ($626), BSV ($81), eCash ($53) and BTG ($37) that are worth keeping. I mean selling.  That's $797 in total per pre-fork Bitcoin. Those Forkcoins have been losing value against Bitcoin for years, so I don't expect any of them to go up. But never say never in crypto.
If you want to get rid of shitcoins by diluting their market, selling them is a great option Smiley

These are fair points, yet I doubt that separating out the BCH would be very difficult, and it seems that the Trezor was one of the first wallets with a splitting tool, so I am not sure if the splitting tool still works the same as it did in late 2017... but yeah there could be ways to screw them up and to not be able to properly claim the BCH or other shitcoins that are also going to be on there.  I am pretty sure LoyceV splits various coins for people if they want to find out how much he might charge, if that even is economical for anything other than the BCH (and presumptively BSV) BGold too...
I usually say: "make me an offer", and charge 10% for small amounts and 5% for larger amounts. The first step is always moving your Bitcoin to a new secure address before even thinking about claiming Forkcoins.

In the past, I had one WO regular do that for me - for a reasonable fee. I also asked him to sell some shitcoins I had obtained through airdrops. I was happy with his service.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Silly question: are old, legacy, pre-BCH fork Bitcoin worth keeping untouched/unspent for some reason? Are they expected to gain in value as "collector's items" compared to the more recent ones?

Came up in a conversation with a friend who hodls 3 such BTC (from 2016). Bought them for $1500, now worth $300,000.

I gave him my usual "keep them if you can, spend them if you must" reply, but I never thought of old coins gaining in value...
There's BCH ($626), BSV ($81), eCash ($53) and BTG ($37) that are worth keeping. I mean selling.  That's $797 in total per pre-fork Bitcoin. Those Forkcoins have been losing value against Bitcoin for years, so I don't expect any of them to go up. But never say never in crypto.
If you want to get rid of shitcoins by diluting their market, selling them is a great option Smiley

These are fair points, yet I doubt that separating out the BCH would be very difficult, and it seems that the Trezor was one of the first wallets with a splitting tool, so I am not sure if the splitting tool still works the same as it did in late 2017... but yeah there could be ways to screw them up and to not be able to properly claim the BCH or other shitcoins that are also going to be on there.  I am pretty sure LoyceV splits various coins for people if they want to find out how much he might charge, if that even is economical for anything other than the BCH (and presumptively BSV) BGold too...
I usually say: "make me an offer", and charge 10% for small amounts and 5% for larger amounts. The first step is always moving your Bitcoin to a new secure address before even thinking about claiming Forkcoins.
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this is why we don't talk meme shit.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hawk-tuah-girl-crypto-team-234357456.html




BTW She must be a friend of OgNasty as she loves the Tesla Truck. Wink
She could become a friend of @BitcoinBunny too, if she shows him the eagle tuah thing in detail.

Ah no, wait, was it a different bird? Well girl, show me how it's done exactly... here's the stage prop (unzipping).

EDIT
130k by new years day

160k by jan 27th 2025

250k by apr 2 2025

Where do I sign?

consider the Wo as the place to wait for that to happen.

Consider me a regular here, then.
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I absolutley find this market dynamic the oddest, look at all those buyers waiting at 98k today vs 4 weeks ago. FOMO'ing starting me thinks
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