We should keep this trend up until we reach 800-1000 ppm, so humanity's IQ drops 20-25 points.
Then we're be too stupid to solve things anyway.
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May 04, 2018, 02:10:47 AM
not if you zoom in...
We should keep this trend up until we reach 800-1000 ppm, so humanity's IQ drops 20-25 points.
Then we're be too stupid to solve things anyway.
We should keep this trend up until we reach 800-1000 ppm, so humanity's IQ drops 20-25 points.
Then we're be too stupid to solve things anyway.
May 04, 2018, 02:06:34 AM
Those CO2 exponential growth projections are bullshit.
Time to short that shit. It clearly does look as it is topping. Dump incoming soon.
May 04, 2018, 01:58:39 AM
History deniers still believe that socialism can solve things.
May 04, 2018, 01:50:24 AM
^^^without science you would still "drive around" with a horse and buggy and work back bending routines for 14hr in the fields.
That would be something.
No, we would be poking pigs with sticks. What is with people taking something as complicated as agriculture as a given?That would be something.
"without science" overpopulation and destructive mono-culture 'farming' would not be around either, so I guess poking a pig with a stick (or snaring some rabbits) would be reasonable.
May 04, 2018, 01:43:02 AM
^^^without science you would still "drive around" with a horse and buggy and work back bending routines for 14hr in the fields.
That would be something.
No, we would be poking pigs with sticks. What is with people taking something as complicated as agriculture as a given? That would be something.
May 04, 2018, 01:42:09 AM
^^^without science you would still "drive around" with a horse and buggy and work back bending routines for 14hr in the fields.
That would be something.
That would be something.
Or sit on my horse, watching my serfs reap the harvest...
Someone's gotta do it.
I would rather chill in my self driving space car on the way to my Moon solarium loft while doing something kinky with my genetically enhanced partner in zero g, but that's just me. You can dream some dark dreams, I prefer better ones.
May 04, 2018, 01:35:06 AM
May 04, 2018, 01:34:47 AM
In actuality, the longer the trend is in place, the more it is likely it is to continue, jokes aside.
This is true for stock markets and CO2 as well, I surmise.
Co2 increase is there and accelerating for the last 60 years (see again the same link), so it is LIKELY to continue, but not guaranteed, of course.
May 04, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
people believe in terraforming but climate change is a myth?
Someday when it comes time to terraform our first planet we can just build lots of cars with no catalytic converters and drive them around on the surface.
May 04, 2018, 01:29:33 AM
^^^without science you would still "drive around" with a horse and buggy and work back bending routines for 14hr in the fields.
That would be something.
That would be something.
Or sit on my horse, watching my serfs reap the harvest...
Someone's gotta do it.
May 04, 2018, 01:26:46 AM
As someone who worked as a defense contractor for over 20 years I will say that there is little science being done when working for the government.
It's mostly "what answer does the customer want?" followed by tweaking the numbers in the models to meet their expectations so that when the time comes they will continue to give you contracts. (eg. this Colonel is in the pocket of Harris Corp so when we do the side by side comparison of a Lockheed and Harris radio we need to make sure the Harris radio comes out as the superior radio). If we don't give them the numbers they expect then they claim that we have faulty models and don't know how to do simulations so they will find someone with more "realistic" numbers. So you play their game.
The amount of tweaking that could be done for wireless radio simulations was endless. I can only imagine what the global temperature models are like.
It's mostly "what answer does the customer want?" followed by tweaking the numbers in the models to meet their expectations so that when the time comes they will continue to give you contracts. (eg. this Colonel is in the pocket of Harris Corp so when we do the side by side comparison of a Lockheed and Harris radio we need to make sure the Harris radio comes out as the superior radio). If we don't give them the numbers they expect then they claim that we have faulty models and don't know how to do simulations so they will find someone with more "realistic" numbers. So you play their game.
The amount of tweaking that could be done for wireless radio simulations was endless. I can only imagine what the global temperature models are like.
May 04, 2018, 01:25:07 AM
General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.
Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2
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At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.
Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).
That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.
From the quoted article:
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In a reported study, it was found that in a substantial number of poorly ventilated classrooms and workplaces, CO2 levels can average 1000 ppm, a significant proportion of these exceeded 2000 ppm and some even reached 3000 ppm.
Some are already affected, most likely.
Don't believe this, get a whiff of Co2 from the dry ice.
It helps to put things in perspective.
for the accelerated annual Co2 increase, check out the graph here:
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-levels-continue-to-increase-at-record-rate
However, even at a steady 2% yearly increase (which is 33% less than in 2015) with no more acceleration, we would reach 800ppm in open air in about 35 years.
May 04, 2018, 01:22:22 AM
^^^without science you would still "drive around" with a horse and buggy and work back bending routines for 14hr in the fields.
That would be something.
That would be something.
May 04, 2018, 01:18:09 AM
When it doesn't directly benefit the government who funds the "scientific" research I will be more open to looking further into it.
Until then it's like believing Hitler's scientists when they say that the aryan race is superior.
If the scientists at the time were like "it appears that the aryan race is superior but there is no reason to try to eliminate other races and try to prop up the aryan race, if they are so superior that will happen over time naturally with absolutely no intervention by the government" then I might be like...hmm, that science seems like it might be legit. Maybe I'll look into it further and check the numbers.
There is no coincidence that the fall of communism coincided with the rise in global warming fears...rats fleeing the sinking ship found a new vessel.
Until then it's like believing Hitler's scientists when they say that the aryan race is superior.
If the scientists at the time were like "it appears that the aryan race is superior but there is no reason to try to eliminate other races and try to prop up the aryan race, if they are so superior that will happen over time naturally with absolutely no intervention by the government" then I might be like...hmm, that science seems like it might be legit. Maybe I'll look into it further and check the numbers.
There is no coincidence that the fall of communism coincided with the rise in global warming fears...rats fleeing the sinking ship found a new vessel.
May 04, 2018, 01:17:20 AM
If the solution to global warming was "oh shit, looks like we'll need to shut down governments and implement anarcho-capitalism to save the planet"...then I might be more inclined to believe the scientists that are paid by the government.
When the solution to global warming (science funded by governments) is "we need to give more power to governments" makes a fella go...hmmm....
When the solution to global warming (science funded by governments) is "we need to give more power to governments" makes a fella go...hmmm....
Clearly, human pollution is causing severe weather, and climate shifts on all the planets in this solar system. It is laughable that some people think its driven by the sun. Moar taxes will fix it all!
May 04, 2018, 01:14:11 AM
people believe in terraforming but climate change is a myth?
Someday when it comes time to terraform our first planet we can just build lots of cars with no catalytic converters and drive them around on the surface.
replace cars with volcanoes and arrive at how this planet was terraformed when sun's activity was 30% less than today.
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~infocom/The%20Website/evolution.html
However, by the end of the next 600mil years CO2 will disappear and plants would die.
So, yeah, high Co2 is temporary.
In about 1bil years all oceans would evaporate and plate tectonics would stop.
In the end of the next 4.8 bil years, the sun would be 67% brighter, and Earth would be torched.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Earth
May 04, 2018, 01:00:26 AM
people believe in terraforming but climate change is a myth?
Someday when it comes time to terraform our first planet we can just build lots of cars with no catalytic converters and drive them around on the surface.
May 04, 2018, 12:58:26 AM
Okay so you got nothing. We are not talking about underfunded fucking public schools here. Don't waste peoples time.
I gave you a link with a graph at
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-levels-continue-to-increase-at-record-rate
and you talk about public schools?
Check it out instead.
Plus, get out your android (or, maybe, blackberry) and input 1.02 in x^y function for years needed to double CO2.
What would you get? Fucking 35 years.
Deal with it, or not, your choice.
To me this is about survival of the society, not government involvement and i don't even care what exactly is causing this.
May 04, 2018, 12:56:03 AM
people believe in terraforming but climate change is a myth?
May 04, 2018, 12:42:12 AM
General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.
Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2
Quote
At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.
Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).
That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.
From the quoted article:
Quote
In a reported study, it was found that in a substantial number of poorly ventilated classrooms and workplaces, CO2 levels can average 1000 ppm, a significant proportion of these exceeded 2000 ppm and some even reached 3000 ppm.
Some are already affected, most likely.
Don't believe this, get a whiff of Co2 from the dry ice.
It helps to put things in perspective.
for the accelerated annual Co2 increase, check out the graph here:
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-levels-continue-to-increase-at-record-rate
However, even at a steady 2% yearly increase (which is 33% less than in 2015) with no more acceleration, we would reach 800ppm in open air in about 35 years.
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