Price will rise soon around 480-510 or above.. Just keep watching guys until the price above $500
I'm happy to see this price and expecting more before december ends..
Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 19822. (Read 26609716 times)
December 17, 2015, 04:13:01 PM
December 17, 2015, 04:09:08 PM
December 17, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
greater going for 480 $ again 
Where?
I see the price pretty stable around 455 everywhere, no signs of moves either upwards or downwards
December 17, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
That moment you realize lambie is Tamri after losing all their $ to shorting the bull run.
haha
thats very nice the bitcoin price increase is really like saying this 
DavieT1337
December 17, 2015, 04:00:42 PM
December 17, 2015, 04:00:39 PM
December 17, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
greater going for 480 $ again
December 17, 2015, 03:18:36 PM
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Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
>Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy.Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
This immediately kicks ethics down into the realm of 'life-affirming.' Stuff like "fair" and "unfair" no longer applies. No more value judgement beyond equally arbitrary "instrumental to survival of the human race." What's so important about the human race? Why celebrate this biological need to survive and multiply, like mold in a Petri dish?
And what's to say that the serial raper-killer is not essential to the beautiful tapestry of life? Thinning the herd? Every soul is useful. Morals are also in constant flux.
In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrasts. Thank you.
edited to fix spellink
It's an interesting point. Sociopathy in small numbers also seems to work.
https://www.quora.com/Could-sociopathy-be-considered-an-evolutionary-advantage
December 17, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
December 17, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
December 17, 2015, 02:59:09 PM
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Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
>Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy.Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
This immediately kicks ethics down into the realm of 'life-affirming.' Stuff like "fair" and "unfair" no longer applies. No more value judgement beyond equally arbitrary "instrumental to survival of the human race." What's so important about the human race? Why celebrate this biological need to survive and multiply, like mold in a Petri dish?
And what's to say that the serial raper-killer is not essential to the beautiful tapestry of life? Thinning the heard? Every soul is useful. Morals are also in constant flux.
In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrasts. Thank you.
What does the price of Bitcoin have to do with Libya? I'd ask that you stay on topic.
December 17, 2015, 02:55:23 PM
You're bringing ethics into this now? "Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" ring a bell?
This is why you can't argue logic with religious people. Sure, give me all your money now and you get pie in the sky when you die. There's always a point at which faith trumps reason.
Maybe that's true, but I don't want to get hung on a cross or eaten by lions. The treasures I have are my family right here on earth and if I can provide for them, then that's my reward.
well u dont have to give money to the preachers because if your in good with Josephe Smith then you are in good with god and jesus. only problem is Joseph Smith doesnt accept bitcoins yet cuz he doesnt know what they are... if you do try to give joseph smit bitcoins to get in good with him then tell us how that worked out. if we all know we can slip into heaven by giving Joseph Smith a bitcoin that would be great!
December 17, 2015, 02:42:11 PM
You're bringing ethics into this now? "Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" ring a bell?
This is why you can't argue logic with religious people. Sure, give me all your money now and you get pie in the sky when you die. There's always a point at which faith trumps reason.
Maybe that's true, but I don't want to get hung on a cross or eaten by lions. The treasures I have are my family right here on earth and if I can provide for them, then that's my reward.
You're not arguing logic with a religious person.
You're arguing logic with someone who understand that ethics have nothing to do with logic, and western ethics in particular are based on Judeo-Christian teachings.
TL;DR: Ethics are no different from religion, immune from logical analysis (not that people haven't tried). Good job ignoring the rest of the stuff I said.
Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
I basically agree with that, although I might quibble that there is a subtle difference between ethics and morality. It's a point only philosophers really care about, but I think the core developers must be discussing it BECAUSE THEY SURE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO FIX THE SCALING PROBLEM.
December 17, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
You're bringing ethics into this now? "Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" ring a bell?
This is why you can't argue logic with religious people. Sure, give me all your money now and you get pie in the sky when you die. There's always a point at which faith trumps reason.
Maybe that's true, but I don't want to get hung on a cross or eaten by lions. The treasures I have are my family right here on earth and if I can provide for them, then that's my reward.
You're not arguing logic with a religious person.
You're arguing logic with someone who understand that ethics have nothing to do with logic, and western ethics in particular are based on Judeo-Christian teachings.
TL;DR: Ethics are no different from religion, immune from logical analysis (not that people haven't tried). Good job ignoring the rest of the stuff I said.
Human morality is a production of natural selection. Behaving ethically is an evolutionarily stable strategy. Our religious fables are just fantastic narratives trying to explain or justify it.
December 17, 2015, 02:32:39 PM
I do not punish anyone for doing anything.
What you're essentially saying is "If I do something that currently nets me X dollars, why can't I have X+2 dollars, why are you punishing me?"
Because of time preferences. Now is worth more than later. You want me to have x-2 so people who spend all they make can spend more than they make. Less gets made that way, no matter how it is re-distributed.
December 17, 2015, 02:25:54 PM
You're bringing ethics into this now? "Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" ring a bell?
This is why you can't argue logic with religious people. Sure, give me all your money now and you get pie in the sky when you die. There's always a point at which faith trumps reason.
Maybe that's true, but I don't want to get hung on a cross or eaten by lions. The treasures I have are my family right here on earth and if I can provide for them, then that's my reward.
December 17, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Anyone else expecting a dip to the low 400s, 415-430ish?
December 17, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Look, i'd love to chat about economics and such, but I can't get over this scaling problem. This network can only support about half a million active users, but it has a market cap of 6.7 billion dollars. That's crazy overvalued until we get bigger blocks.
A bunch of nonsense once again.
Bitcoin is not a social network, it's not Facebook.
Its value is not determined by its number of users but the amount of capital that is trusted to it.
The network's capacity in that regard is arguably limitless.
December 17, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
If you are good enough, you could do it with a thousand bucks. If you suck, you could turn a million bucks into twenty grand in a year.
I guess we won't get statistical information... not that Homo statisticus' (Bitcoin) average trader exists, but it's indicative. Anecdotal (but actual) evidence is welcome too.
The average trader loses money. It's close to the Parato ratio 80:20 losers:winners. Not that many of the losers will admit that.
holding fiat has burned me zero times
And it has almost succeeded in your case, but not quite. You did figure out that you shouldn't just hodl fiat, but then went on to 'invest' in what amounts to little more than an elaborate pyramid scheme. Oh well, nothing's perfect, all has fallen short of His glory. Even fiat.
I hear what you're saying, but it comes back to economics. You can't have SUSTAINABLE growth without capital formation (savings). You can't build wealth without deferring gratification. A fisherman who wants to be more productive than catching fish by hand has to take time away from fishing to make a fishing rod. Then he catches more fish faster, but he has to take time away from that to make a net or a trot line.
Fiat and artificially low interest rates are designed to increase the velocity of money at the expense of capital formation. This will destroy the economy in the long run. We're in the process of watching that play out now.
When you ask an economist a question like that, they will respond with "as compared to what?" The question is meaningless otherwise.
Look, i'd love to chat about economics and such, but I can't get over this scaling problem. This network can only support about half a million active users, but it has a market cap of 6.7 billion dollars. That's crazy overvalued until we get bigger blocks.
December 17, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
2700 incoming
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