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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 22811. (Read 26713538 times)
February 23, 2015, 04:59:30 AM
February 23, 2015, 04:29:00 AM
Not saying you're wrong or right, but include context. Or ignore it all because it is wholly meaningless.
I don't see how any of that makes the originally quoted statement any less xenophobic.
Whatever my moral flaws
It's less "moral flaws" and more "stunning amounts of ignorance."
Save your Ayn Rand bullshit, too. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the last time a bunch of people followed the teachings of a shitty fiction writer, the world got Scientology.
Xenophobic? Of course I am! Xenon is dangerous stuff
Rand is influential, but her work is far from my favorite. You should read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by R. Heinlein. Puts both Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard to shame. The character Dr. Bernardo de la Paz is philosophically the polar opposite of Jorge, but it's who I picture in my mind whenever I think of him.
February 23, 2015, 03:59:32 AM
February 23, 2015, 03:32:56 AM
pretty pathetic bear raid attempt by the greedy noisy, bearpig trolls ... seems like it had to be done though as price was breaking out sideways so they are getting extremely desperate now, as we can tell from the synchronised hating fest that seemingly came from nowhere in time for the quietest time of the market ... chinese NY over tomorrow and fiat starts hitting the exchanges again, need to paint the tape for that
The beartrolls are scammers of the highest order. Worse than neobee or a host of other failed or scammy bitcoin ventures and are just as fraudulent in trying to scare emotionally or financially weak people out of their coins. At least the outright scams asked nicely instead of using fear or emotional engineering. They lie about their objectives and try to obfuscate the truth by making it seem like their motivations for posting are out of moral duty to save fools from losing their money when in fact they are not ethical agents, just greedy book talkers or seriously confused dipshits
The short term price movements mean little in the face of what bitcoin has done in a very short time. Amateur hour is pretty much over. Stronger hands that are capable and ethically motivated are gearing up the engines and the real crooks are looking to game or exploit this experiment (which is expected and necessary).
However bad the first wave has been (Hello MagicalTux!), they did bootstrap a whole transparent world value ledger and multibillion dollar value economy to this point and must be lauded for their fearlessness of living on the lunatic fringe that also happen to be the spearhead of innovation. Here's to the ones crazy enough to think they can change the world.
TL;DR for newbies : Trollbear trader scammers want to cheat you out of your chance of a decent future stake in the most exciting technology/economy shift since the internet itself. Don't be stupid and put yourself at risk in the short term markets and risk another gox, wait for legitimate and secure exchanges or even better just spend them directly when it is ubiquitous. Do this instead FTW!:
1. Buy as much as is comfortable and healthy for your budget at as close to the bottom of long term bear cycles as possible.
2. Put duplicate private keys in cold storage in multiple safe locations and forget about them for a while.
3. learn and grow as an individual learning about economics, ethics, business, blockchain tech, etc. and develop your self discipline so when you have a lot of wealth you can use it wisely instead of what often happens to lottery winners, successful thieves or scammers, or other instantly rich, soon to be poor folks who often get very sick from not knowing how to handle all the stresses and temptations of managing wealth.
4. Have a long term vision and set goals for it, filling in the short term steps and details along the way.
5. Profit and enjoy your wealth and life with people who love you properly, building good things to exchange and taking on challenges to the benefit of yourself and your fellow humans.
Where is the "like" button.
Wisdom is hard to find in a world of foolishness.
#1- Check (always wishing I had more to invest on the bottom of these cycles but that is the way it goes I guess)
#2- Check (thanks to technically minded husband)
#3- Check (this thread can be difficult to learn much on but I have actually learned quite a bit on other threads here! I feel like I have had a crash course in Economics in just the little under 2 years I have been involved in the BTC community. So much to learn)
#4- Check (Patience is a virture. Long term thinking is key.)
#5 Check (Had some "profit" but nothing really life changing yet. The goal is to at least pay for our kids private college without any debt with the help of our BTC investments, God willing.) Edit: I did use a small amount of BTC, some of which was even gifted to me by one benevolent community member here, to go on an amazing and life changing trip to India a few months ago. I am looking forward to doing even more world-wide outreach when the funds are available to do so.
Great to hear Bitchick, I missed your reply in the scuffle earlier and don't only want to waste energy on that when there are better contributing members like yourself to respond to. Sounds like a plan for success for you and proof for any who would question it that there are plenty of longer term bitcoiners with level heads and a moral compass who may not be as vocal as the assclown posse are.
February 23, 2015, 03:32:28 AM
Notice I didn't say everyone else must not ignore him.
I think the guy's funny.
And I'm bullish on BTC's long term future... imagine that. I can ride this thing to 0, or 10k, and someone typing on a forum has nothing to do with it.
I think the guy's funny.
And I'm bullish on BTC's long term future... imagine that. I can ride this thing to 0, or 10k, and someone typing on a forum has nothing to do with it.
Ok, carry on then. Different strokes for different folks
Edit: there was one pic notlambchop posted that made me lol so I will give him that.P.S. Are you truly a newbie or have you been around for a while? You seem to be quite reasonable and knowledgeable about the forum.
February 23, 2015, 03:12:49 AM
Notice I didn't say everyone else must not ignore him.
I think the guy's funny.
And I'm bullish on BTC's long term future... imagine that. I can ride this thing to 0, or 10k, and someone typing on a forum has nothing to do with it.
I think the guy's funny.
And I'm bullish on BTC's long term future... imagine that. I can ride this thing to 0, or 10k, and someone typing on a forum has nothing to do with it.
February 23, 2015, 03:08:30 AM
Not saying you're wrong or right, but include context. Or ignore it all because it is wholly meaningless.
I don't see how any of that makes the originally quoted statement any less xenophobic.
Whatever my moral flaws
It's less "moral flaws" and more "stunning amounts of ignorance."
Save your Ayn Rand bullshit, too. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the last time a bunch of people followed the teachings of a shitty fiction writer, the world got Scientology.
February 23, 2015, 03:06:24 AM
My ignore list stands and will stand at 0.
This forum has a proud tradition of good trolls. A check on hyperbole and dare I say... euphoria.
ElectricMucus
Proudhon
Walsoraj
notlambchop
The pretenders/socks are less funny.
If the coin fails, they get "lels". If not, they fade away, it's cheap entertainment.
If you can't take some criticism and hilarity about your cryptocoin investment, you're in the wrong game.
This forum has a proud tradition of good trolls. A check on hyperbole and dare I say... euphoria.
ElectricMucus
Proudhon
Walsoraj
notlambchop
The pretenders/socks are less funny.
If the coin fails, they get "lels". If not, they fade away, it's cheap entertainment.
If you can't take some criticism and hilarity about your cryptocoin investment, you're in the wrong game.
No, there is one on that list that does deserve ignoring by me at least (and many others claim to as well). Notlambchop shits the threads up at a feverish pace catapulting violent statist fiat delusional propaganda here in a dedicated bitcoin forum in almost every thread possible trying to scare the bejeezers out of anyone who might listen. That does not constitute "A check on hyperbole and dare I say... euphoria"
A check on hyperbole would be reasonable and polite discourse, not that. I probably should ignore more people than I do but I reserve that privilege for the truly daft and insane and don't even want to glance at their cringe worthy and unfunny shit anymore.
BTW, notlambchop pulled a hall monitor move to get a post with this image removed by the moderators recently for being "off topic". butthurt much? Lel indeed!
Shameful indeed.
Ok, I'm gonna step into this whirlpool and note that the likes of silverfurtune and billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread. The trolls have went into hibernation when the bosses have taken hold of the reigns. Primarily, Mr SF ad BJA have made their points and are moving on to their next ones, soon. I just want to say thx to the bosses in due time.
Thanks, Man. Please don't feel the need to defend me against charges of racism, sexism or whatever the crimethink de jour is. Whatever my moral flaws, the reason why I advocate Bicoin is because it is money that doesn't need force or coercion in order to function.
Which would y'all rather have as a neighbor, a racist sexist homophobic who believes in the NonAggression Principle or an egalitarian who wants to make everyone equal by sticking guns in their faces?
Freedom means you have to put up with some unpleasant people with unpleasant ideas, but you don't have to put up with threats of violence by those who claim to be peaceful while having the State do their dirty work for them.
Me too on the NAP Billybob..it's revenge of the nerds part two
! Thanks Ramsay, you are usually so mean a boss on tv
February 23, 2015, 03:02:25 AM
I reckon the not having a gun in my face would be a pretty good choice. I don't care what kind of Devil worshipping or blood orgies they're having on the sidewalk in front of my house. Easy enough to walk around them so long as they're not shooting at me.
February 23, 2015, 02:59:38 AM
February 23, 2015, 02:39:16 AM
Ok, I'm gonna step into this whirlpool and note that the likes of silverfurtune and billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread. The trolls have went into hibernation when the bosses have taken hold of the reigns. Primarily, Mr SF ad BJA have made their points and are moving on to their next ones, soon. I just want to say thx to the bosses in due time.
Thanks, Man. Please don't feel the need to defend me against charges of racism, sexism or whatever the crimethink de jour is. Whatever my moral flaws, the reason why I advocate Bicoin is because it is money that doesn't need force or coercion in order to function.
Which would y'all rather have as a neighbor, a racist sexist homophobic who believes in the NonAggression Principle or an egalitarian who wants to make everyone equal by sticking guns in their faces?
Freedom means you have to put up with some unpleasant people with unpleasant ideas, but you don't have to put up with threats of violence by those who claim to be peaceful while having the State do their dirty work for them.
February 23, 2015, 02:22:05 AM
My ignore list stands and will stand at 0.
This forum has a proud tradition of good trolls. A check on hyperbole and dare I say... euphoria.
ElectricMucus
Proudhon
Walsoraj Edit: Jaroslaw, been too long
NotLambchop
The pretenders/socks are less funny.
If the coin fails, they get "lels". If not, they fade away, it's cheap entertainment.
If you can't take some criticism and hilarity about your cryptocoin investment, you're in the wrong game.
This forum has a proud tradition of good trolls. A check on hyperbole and dare I say... euphoria.
ElectricMucus
Proudhon
NotLambchop
The pretenders/socks are less funny.
If the coin fails, they get "lels". If not, they fade away, it's cheap entertainment.
If you can't take some criticism and hilarity about your cryptocoin investment, you're in the wrong game.
February 23, 2015, 02:04:03 AM
Miners may have to start selling at some point if they are no longer able to service debt with other income streams but a market order has a huge difference in this market compared to a limit order. A miner would NEVER dump 5k coins in single market order. It causes too much slippage and the market seems to stabilize at a lower price after a big downward movement. It's not miners causing these major movements.
In the supposed BitPay input wallet , some of the largest deposits (up to ~4500 BTC) came from KnC:
2014-02-18 08:24:31 a6b640f6b3ccc0a88730797b925a558f25daf8e6390636861583246a810601a3 +4496.11720000 KnCMiner.com
2013-11-18 10:46:54 085b09cfbe1d6f5214842ded9d8d2a50e467a6b51f82fbdaefecc63e7d2b2ebb +2900.00000000 KnCMiner.com
2014-02-24 16:09:50 0621cddd70fb86f74adda088209831516e6ab9384663fd517bc7fbee7a12f30b +1758.82190000 KnCMiner.com
2014-02-27 14:38:24 7396ca676a238a21fb45f0b96d6191053b25daef0e3e56ad2d54c7cd46442479 +1420.45130000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-06 15:00:31 fe378b97f1f5dc4dbf3ee6059c6f226988c090eb149a90a66baf0bf5c7a0fb9e +1375.69510000 KnCMiner.com
2013-11-23 17:40:08 c61b49f50a6fd7112747375f4cd14cde6e4a2c28d9b88b0ed64b838087fc258d +1000.00000000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-03 07:20:58 a53e12545d054126d422fdb4f664107843ba5aa2555d9bdb1f759631febb82cd +888.67670000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-13 10:34:52 fb49859a319462afccea88d50ef0238ada66679ebbb64f172dc5a6dcf57fa41e +849.35700000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-22 16:06:12 fc0c75776779c48ba4b6fd843848ae7b26ab56263c99aaf0024e4c9056c5a779 +672.85790000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-21 06:29:42 1e89707414df189934e21ef7c200ef7833e2867a062e4084c9a07636d5d0fa3d +497.57430000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-27 07:31:57 98435bdcabee4aa43d951f8f4d402fa61ae0006a8388aba49baae3e74af2d8fc +493.60870000 KnCMiner.com
2014-02-20 08:13:24 026f92da78db19fe561a05f0a77104619783452a8f24a4efed8719abd9553a95 +460.31630000 KnCMiner.com
2014-01-27 16:44:32 4570a7a8ae134099def4b6c26c79c8f90b8c754339dafb941ac508835956e1b0 +182.79950000 KnCMiner.com
Most of the coins that are deposited into that wallet are sent by BitPay to exchanges like Bitstamp to be sold. Presumably, those deposits are KnC paying their bills (electricity, equipment, etc.). BitPay's TOS forbid clients to use them just to sell; the destination of the dollars must be a merchant of some sort. (Otherwise theyr would not be a "payment processor" but a "money transmitter" and they don't have licenses for that.)
Perhaps more evidence of miners selling could be found by scanning the wallets of the exchanges and other payment processors.
I don't think we need to ponder whether miners sell their coins or not. Imagine that each miner Joe is actually two persons, Joe Miner and Joe Investor. Each day, Joe Miner sells all the coins that he mines, pays his bills, deposits the rest in a bank account, and goes to bed. Joe Investor then takes over; he may or may not take some money from the bank to buy bitcoins.
Mathematically, that is equivalent to a single person Joe who may or may not keep some of the coins that he mines. However, mentally separating the two personas makes it easier to see that a miner is just like any other investor, when it comes to holding coins. Specifically, Joe is as likely to hold 100 of his mined as a random investor with 23'000 USD in hand is likely to buy 100 coins with that money.
February 23, 2015, 01:59:35 AM
February 23, 2015, 01:46:13 AM
billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread.
Was it the racism, the sexism, or just the ignorant bigotry in general that sold you on him?The reason I never learned whatever tribal grunts is your native tongue is because I don't have to. English speakers rule the planet. And I'm drunk too so back at ya, you foreign fucking foreigner fuck.
That's pretty recent, and not even close to the most offensive thing I've ever seen him post.Not saying you're wrong or right, but include context. Or ignore it all because it is wholly meaningless.
english is my third language and I am drunk .
now, unless I am speaking to sorosh, goat or mircea gtfo you poor, english centric troll with your ad hominem attack.
Your critique is so stale it only merits an ad hominem attack. The reason I never learned whatever tribal grunts is your native tongue is because I don't have to. English speakers rule the planet. And I'm drunk too so back at ya, you foreign fucking foreigner fuck.
Context is everything. Thank you for being objective on the matter. Octaft is a semi-troll who may be making it to my ignore list at some point in the near future. Some of what he says is reasonable, most of it is not.
February 23, 2015, 12:59:34 AM
February 23, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread.
Was it the racism, the sexism, or just the ignorant bigotry in general that sold you on him?The reason I never learned whatever tribal grunts is your native tongue is because I don't have to. English speakers rule the planet. And I'm drunk too so back at ya, you foreign fucking foreigner fuck.
That's pretty recent, and not even close to the most offensive thing I've ever seen him post.Not saying you're wrong or right, but include context. Or ignore it all because it is wholly meaningless.
english is my third language and I am drunk .
now, unless I am speaking to sorosh, goat or mircea gtfo you poor, english centric troll with your ad hominem attack.
Your critique is so stale it only merits an ad hominem attack. The reason I never learned whatever tribal grunts is your native tongue is because I don't have to. English speakers rule the planet. And I'm drunk too so back at ya, you foreign fucking foreigner fuck.
February 23, 2015, 12:14:44 AM
billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread.
Was it the racism, the sexism, or just the ignorant bigotry in general that sold you on him?The reason I never learned whatever tribal grunts is your native tongue is because I don't have to. English speakers rule the planet. And I'm drunk too so back at ya, you foreign fucking foreigner fuck.
That's pretty recent, and not even close to the most offensive thing I've ever seen him post. February 22, 2015, 11:59:33 PM
February 22, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
billyjoeallen have been real intellectual boons to this thread.
Was it the racism, the sexism, or just the ignorant bigotry in general that sold you on him?
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