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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 24728. (Read 26713229 times)

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With 0% fees, you can self-trade (market fill your limit order before others do) and the cost will be 0. If you want to trade with others, the cost will be only the (naturally low) spread. That's why I call it fake.

Can't argue with this, you are right. But same thing (volume inflating) can happen (and do happen) on other exchanges too, you just have to pay some fees (like 0.3%, no big deal considering the usual volatility).
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I'm tired of all this manipulation that has been pushing the price down for months and months.
There is no manipulation, Blitz said so.
There is manipulation, but it has no effect on the multi-month trends and upwards. Those are the result of pure inflow and outflow of money. The bear market was not "manipulated" into existence, it emerged because of undeniable realities.

Most people here call every organic (many actors, chaotic) market action that they dislike manipulative. In reality, manipulation is coordinated and often times it's obvious, like with this ask on BTCChina just now.
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You'd think this would be a tidal wave about to crash over for a nice run up...but...as usual, I'm sure a few walls will pop up to block the wave...

Yup. Nobody wants to buy because they know they will instantly get dumped on.
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I'm tired of all this manipulation that has been pushing the price down for months and months.
You said you would soon leave this place, please keep your promise.

Well, where's our friend on BTCChina with his ask? What a surprise that he cancelled it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I'm tired of all this manipulation that has been pushing the price down for months and months.
There is no manipulation, Blitz said so.
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I'm tired of all this manipulation that has been pushing the price down for months and months.
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You'd think this would be a tidal wave about to crash over for a nice run up...but...as usual, I'm sure a few walls will pop up to block the wave...
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With 0% fees, you can self-trade (market fill your limit order before others do) and the cost will be 0. If you want to trade with others, the cost will be only the (naturally low) spread. That's why I call it fake.
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I can assure my trades are not fake and im not a bot. There have been days i had greater volume by myself than some of the smaller exchanges total. Does not mean i make a ton of money, sure beats a day at the horses and get ripped of by a bookie.
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Thanks fonzie, awesome graphic. Great to see with actual historical data what the effect of 0 fees on volume is (inflated aka fake volume).
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No maps for these territories

 Mtgox didn't loose all those BTC, they were bought with a fake injection of USD from the people who control the paper money system. reality hurts i know.

Bold statements need bold evidences
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Wow, I just had a look at the (extremely shallow, much moreso than BTC-E) order book of BTCChina and the "volume" (supposed to be x10 that of BTC-E) that it has. It's clear that almost all of it is fake.

Seems like fonzie is right, someone's trying to induce "arbitrage" and buy at other exchanges.

It is called 'speculative arbitrage', but please do not consider volume 'fake' - if it has consequences to you it ain't fake
0% fee volume not backed up by the order book is fake volume. Or inflated volume. Whatever term you prefer.

Their book is razor thin but their volume is crazy (0-fee yes, but still real). When you see market orders in the trade history but not in the book it is because those offers in the book lasted for less than a second. What they are doing now is probably this:
- place huge ask at BTChina
- buy every asks that appear under the wall, buy from everybody that panic there
- transfer those coins to other exchanges and dump them
- price became lower overall

What if somebody shows up at BTChina and try to resist this? Simple. Our trading hero has a lot more on reserve, for defensive purposes, and if the need arise he'll show them the muscles.
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Posted this a few months ago:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/if-youre-still-following-china-youre-probably-doing-it-wrong-752432



Let´s keep it simple. BTCChina were the only chinese exchange that had NO fees for a few months, look at the the picture. A few weeks ago they decided to go back to no fees. Can anyone see a difference?
I´m not talking aobut "faking" volume, i´m taking about "real and relevant" volume, there´s a difference. BTCChina could be the volume market leader without having more than 1-2kBTC on their exchange, why would you follow such an exchange? Huobi and OKcoin always had no fees btw.


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Damn BTCChina what the hell.

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Can we have a Bobby Lee AMA on reddit?
Maybe he can give an interview from his future jail cell? Cheesy
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Can we have a Bobby Lee AMA on reddit?
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lmao @ BTCChina

Also LOL @ how the main 3 chinese exchanges are way up today on volume. Combined effort to look relevant?
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4h MACD suggests sideways or slow up for the next 24h, after that will come an inflection point.
Is there any reason to use 4h, rather than some other timeframe?

Only that during the last couple of weeks it was a relatively reliable indicator (compared with other time frames).

The inflection point is here. Either start testing major support or form local double bottom and go up in the short term.

It looks like someone is taking advantage of the inflection point, where the market can be turned one way or another with minimum effort,
and using BTCChina to crash. Volume reported by bitcoincharts is greater than Bitstamp, Bitfinex and BTC-E together, so it could be fake.
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Wow, I just had a look at the (extremely shallow, much moreso than BTC-E) order book of BTCChina and the "volume" (supposed to be x10 that of BTC-E) that it has. It's clear that almost all of it is fake.

Seems like fonzie is right, someone's trying to induce "arbitrage" and buy at other exchanges.

It is called 'speculative arbitrage', but please do not consider volume 'fake' - if it has consequences to you it ain't fake
0% fee volume not backed up by the order book is fake volume. Or inflated volume. Whatever term you prefer.
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