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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 26496. (Read 26608317 times)

legendary
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Lesson to be learnt:
Don't use that stinking shit they call "money".
They'll rip you off longterm.
Short fiat, long everything else.

Fiat is not meant to be hodled.. it's meant to be invested or consumed.

Hoarders who stall economic growth are punished for a reason.

It's not economic growth when just the numbers increase. And usually the prices increase much more than the wages.

Nice economic growth when the majority of the people gets ripped of, and only the stinking rich get even richer.

All this so called growth does is increase the gap between rich and poor.

Compared to now:

New house: $250000 or so (64 times increase, so about 3 times more expensive in terms of income) Also note that since everything is more expensive nowaday few people actually have income left after all their expenses, unlike in 1938, so the actual effect of inflation is much worse. You should adjust for 'disposable income', you'd be shocked how little disposable income many people have nowadays.
Average income after tax: $39588 (22 times increase)
New car $20000 (23 times increase)
Monthly Rent $1500 per month (56 times increase)
Movie ticket $12 (48 times increase)
Gasoline $3.63/gallon (36 times increase)


everything is much more expensive compared to the wages which increased much less.

Also, when you save up your money for later use you'll only have a fraction of what you saved.
legendary
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What can I say ... people need to come back from their holidays and start trading again ...

We were all (90% of us) predicting a rally during the Summer.
Perhaps there is still a chance for a rally this month but at this point I think that the rally might be little after the Summer ...



Or maybe there won't be a rally at all this year  Undecided  Cry

I highly doubt that, we are later than most of us (including myself) expected, but i don't think the rally will be delayed by 5 months

Zimmah I remember your quote Smiley That at the end of the current month price should be with three zeros :] I hope you were right.


when school starts up again what you think all the cool kids gana be trading? magic the gathering playing cards???  Cheesy

no silly potcoins!  Potcoins is the future.

Smiley I will be very surprised if Potcoin will be "the future" :-]


sr. member
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For over a week, selling pressure keeps piling up at the nearest asking prices. I would say they are placed strategically. The gap between them is mostly less than 0.1. At other times, a huge ask wall just appears out of nowhere. It seems someone does not want the price to rise. Why?
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1005

What can I say ... people need to come back from their holidays and start trading again ...

We were all (90% of us) predicting a rally during the Summer.
Perhaps there is still a chance for a rally this month but at this point I think that the rally might be little after the Summer ...



Or maybe there won't be a rally at all this year  Undecided  Cry

I highly doubt that, we are later than most of us (including myself) expected, but i don't think the rally will be delayed by 5 months
legendary
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Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner

What can I say ... people need to come back from their holidays and start trading again ...

We were all (90% of us) predicting a rally during the Summer.
Perhaps there is still a chance for a rally this month but at this point I think that the rally might be little after the Summer ...



when school starts up again what you think all the cool kids gana be trading? magic the gathering playing cards???  Cheesy

no silly potcoins!  Potcoins is the future.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000

What can I say ... people need to come back from their holidays and start trading again ...

We were all (90% of us) predicting a rally during the Summer.
Perhaps there is still a chance for a rally this month but at this point I think that the rally might be little after the Summer ...



Or maybe there won't be a rally at all this year  Undecided  Cry
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1199

What can I say ... people need to come back from their holidays and start trading again ...

We were all (90% of us) predicting a rally during the Summer.
Perhaps there is still a chance for a rally this month but at this point I think that the rally might be little after the Summer ...

legendary
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legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
making a fiat profit is making no profit at all, in the long term...

why not be the change you want to see

buy a bitcoin

HodL!

legendary
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Of course miners are not the source of large sells. The idea is that they're providing regular and increasing selling pressure on the market, and thereby unlock selling power by people finally realizing profits.


sr. member
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Found Lost beach - quiet now

I still think most mining is done through mining pools made up of small miners like myself. I'm currently mining about 0.1 BTC/day or about 3 BTC per month. My hardware and everything else has been paid off through earlier mining and now my only cost is electricity, which was around $570 last month. So it cost me about $190 per BTC. I don't sell them and will keep mining as long as it's profitable. It's also a hobby and it's good that I don't have to pay myself an hourly fee to keep things going. I have 3 bitcoin wallets. One where my mining coins go; one for my purchased investment coins; and one for my spending coins. My spending coins account for only about 2% of what I have and the remaining 98% I'm holding.

It shouldn't be too hard to tell assuming most new coins go mined->pool->miner (Though I know p2pool does straight mined->miner) and are held there for those accumulating. Anyone doing this analysis?

Others like Eligius go straight mined-> miner. When they enter my Armory wallet it shows the axes symbol and you have to wait for 120 confirmations to spend. The other pools I mine (slush, BTC Guild, GHash) hold them until confirmed and then distribute (only have to wait the 6 confirmations). I set up a watching-wallet for all the pools and it shows when they find a block (shows "mined" input) and it shows all outputs. You can do with an app called bitWallet on your phone. It allows me to keep track of how the different pools are doing in real time as the blockchain updates.
N12
donator
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Of course miners are not the source of large sells. The idea is that they're providing regular and increasing selling pressure on the market, and thereby unlock selling power by people finally realizing profits.

I still think most mining is done through mining pools made up of small miners like myself. I'm currently mining about 0.1 BTC/day or about 3 BTC per month. My hardware and everything else has been paid off through earlier mining and now my only cost is electricity, which was around $570 last month. So it cost me about $190 per BTC. I don't sell them and will keep mining as long as it's profitable. It's also a hobby and it's good that I don't have to pay myself an hourly fee to keep things going. I have 3 bitcoin wallets. One where my mining coins go; one for my purchased investment coins; and one for my spending coins. My spending coins account for only about 2% of what I have and the remaining 98% I'm holding.
"Most mining", perhaps, but certainly less relative hashing power is in the hands of people similar to you than before, which is the point. That trend is still ongoing.
legendary
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I still think most mining is done through mining pools made up of small miners like myself. I'm currently mining about 0.1 BTC/day or about 3 BTC per month. My hardware and everything else has been paid off through earlier mining and now my only cost is electricity, which was around $570 last month. So it cost me about $190 per BTC. I don't sell them and will keep mining as long as it's profitable. It's also a hobby and it's good that I don't have to pay myself an hourly fee to keep things going. I have 3 bitcoin wallets. One where my mining coins go; one for my purchased investment coins; and one for my spending coins. My spending coins account for only about 2% of what I have and the remaining 98% I'm holding.

It shouldn't be too hard to tell assuming most new coins go mined->pool->miner (Though I know p2pool does straight mined->miner) and are held there for those accumulating. Anyone doing this analysis?
hero member
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It does not seem likely that "starving miners" are responsible for the large single-transaction dumps.  Even the most desperate ones would be selling 25 BTC at a time, no?

Those dumps could be (1) traders who panic and sell everything at once because they think a crash is underway, (2) rich but dumb novices who have not learned about slippage yet, (3) traders who get burned and leave "stomping and slamming the door", (4) "Wang Li, you get our money out of that bitcoin thing NOW or I will take the kids away and file for divorce."

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sr. member
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Found Lost beach - quiet now
What I wonder, with these multiple hundred coin dumps: Where do they get them from? Do they print them?  Sad


24 * 6 * 25 = 3,600 new coins mined everyday. Miners sell them to pay bills (electricity, miners..).

And they're so stinking rich they don't care about slippage?

Their margins are so slim and their debts and electricity bills need to be paid so likely they only have somewhat limited option.

I think this is actually likely to be a bigger factor than people think. In the last 12 months or so, we've moved from semi-pro miners who are likely to want to hold their freshly minted Bitcoin to commercial miners who are just in it for the profits, accumulation be damned. The Bitcoin inflation rate is therefore less masked and actually quite high at the moment. The last halving was followed by a rise many were claiming would not happen, I expect the next one to be very interesting. We have a while to wait for that though.

I still think most mining is done through mining pools made up of small miners like myself. I'm currently mining about 0.1 BTC/day or about 3 BTC per month. My hardware and everything else has been paid off through earlier mining and now my only cost is electricity, which was around $570 last month. So it cost me about $190 per BTC. I don't sell them and will keep mining as long as it's profitable. It's also a hobby and it's good that I don't have to pay myself an hourly fee to keep things going. I have 3 bitcoin wallets. One where my mining coins go; one for my purchased investment coins; and one for my spending coins. My spending coins account for only about 2% of what I have and the remaining 98% I'm holding.
N12
donator
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Their margins are so slim and their debts and electricity bills need to be paid so likely they only have somewhat limited option.

I think this is actually likely to be a bigger factor than people think. In the last 12 months or so, we've moved from semi-pro miners who are likely to want to hold their freshly minted Bitcoin to commercial miners who are just in it for the profits, accumulation be damned. The Bitcoin inflation rate is therefore less masked and actually quite high at the moment. The last halving was followed by a rise many were claiming would not happen, I expect the next one to be very interesting. We have a while to wait for that though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8071083

One of the few actual fundamentals with Bitcoin, yet noone really gives a shit.
legendary
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If the US dollar's inflation ever "explodes" from 1%/year to, say, 10%/year, things will get real "interesting" -- but doomsday prophets will be disappointed.

legendary
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It's not a magnitude.  It's higher.  Magnitude technically is basically orders of 10.  The CPI inflation "bucket" needs to be updated, but alas, government is slow on this things. Smiley

Slow? They're moving backwards, deliberately adjusting it to (try to) make inflation look lower.
legendary
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What I wonder, with these multiple hundred coin dumps: Where do they get them from? Do they print them?  Sad


24 * 6 * 25 = 3,600 new coins mined everyday. Miners sell them to pay bills (electricity, miners..).

This.  For most people its a near break even or losing game for them with the current difficulty.   This of course includes initial hardware, upgrades, electricity, etc.  They -have- to sell.

No we don't.
legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
As if holding fiat stalls economic growth. As if fiat is not designed to steal from the uneducated who don't know what else to hold than fiat.

The educated get rewarded, the uneducated do not.
Survival of the fittest isn't a conspiracy orchestrated by the evil banksters.

Of course it's not.

It's just that the current system full of bailouts and behind the scenes manipulation doesn't have much to do with "survival of the fittest". Or which traits are we trying to reward here?
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