Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 2812. (Read 26715938 times)

Lemme translate: "I'm a troll, feed me a cookie!"
Just ignore him, i know it's hard sometimes, but it's for the best of it.

Have you fellas seen this?
Is stage 2 of deleveraging about to commence?

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/02/divisions-in-sam-bankman-frieds-crypto-empire-blur-on-his-trading-titan-alamedas-balance-sheet/
https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1589283421704290306
https://cryptoslate.com/fears-of-terra-luna-style-collapse-of-ftx-native-token-ftt-as-binance-liquidate-its-holdings/
https://news.yahoo.com/binance-sell-rest-ftx-token-165514765.html

Granted, they are talking mostly about "crypto', but nobody actually knows if bitcoin is among the assets Alameda holds.
The fact is that MOST of Alameda assets are in their sister/parent company token (FTT) and they lent out 7.4 bil $ worth based on that value (and unspecified "crypto", which in part may or may not be bitcoin).

TL;DR "Due to recent revelations that have came to light"...It seems that SBF is under pressure.

Explanation

Wow!!!!

I am seeing the power of having an actual telescope, versus what my naked (nohomo) eye can see from my area of dee earths, even on a very dark and clear night.


Wow!!!!    With that description, you likely can realize that there were some areas in which you were not sufficiently sharing in building together.. .so if you are somewhat able to realize that it is quite likely that you are NOT going back into that relationship (even if you believe that you want to), both parties gotta be willing to play, and you have some abilities to build (or maintain if you are not in the building/accumulating stage) your BTC stash for 1, 2 or maybe a few more years in order to reconsider and restrategize what direction that you plan to pursue.. in the years to come...

For sure, if you consider that you were not really "into" drinking as much as she was, there surely could be a kind of incompatibility in that regard.. A lot of people get consumed with structuring their lives around alcohol, and I am not even suggesting that anything would necessarily be wrong with that, except if you do not really share closely enough in that same pursuit of regular activities.. then you may well have identified a certain level of incompatibility.

I will also say that even when both of you are in agreement to "go in separate directions," there still can be a quite a bit of pain in that, too... because sometimes it is difficult to stop thinking about the "good times" and the "what ifs".. and personally, I have frequently found it better to try to attempt to focus on the "not so good times" in order to help my lil selfie to move on.. but surely each of us has to figure out what kind of ways that we might need to go through this.. and I am kind of thinking that some kind of therapy could be helpful.. but personally, I usually would find less formal ways to do that.. and for me, writing things out and engaging in various kinds of planning.. seems to help me.. and then when I am ready, then I will start to interweave aspects of my own thoughts into other RL conversations that I have with others in order to get their "not necessarily professional" feedback, which is good enough for me.. because usually, I don't like to rely too much on supposed "purported" professionals.. but that's just me, probably.


In the US, property rights are generally established state by state, so in marriage law, whether some of the property acquired by marriage is communal or not is going to vary.

I would imagine that the extent to which property rights are clear in other countries is going to vary from country to country too.  I doubt it is safe to assume by default that bitcoin is "communal" property.


There are way more varieties in possible scenarios than you are describing, Biodom.. that's for sure... and I doubt that you are even capturing Copetech's situation very well.  

Copetech seems to be describing a situation in which he presumes that the bitcoin that he has so far accumulated are not going to be a communal property issue, and he seems to be suggesting that "he's got the bitcoins," which surely might be a wrong presumption, and yeah it might be too early to know whether he might be served some papers "demanding for dee cornz"


That's NOT the spirit!!!!

You really need to have it spelt out? I do not find it hard to believe at all on the grand scale of things. All of you do not matter nor does your contribution matter at all. Nothing you ever do will ever matter or have any great effect. All your troubles have been for nothing and will remain nothing. Every single one of you no matter how hard you fight this fact. YOU DO NOT MATTER AT ALL AND WILL BE OBLIVIONED

Oblivioned means forgotten in the timespan of few weeks. The money you have into "Bitcoin" will never be remembered nor cherished. Never will you be a part of something or will you count as something. That is "DECENTRALIZATION". You do not matter . Your Contributions will be dust in a few seconds not like in the real world where History is actualy mapped and cherished.



Remember this was your Choice and your Choice alone


Thw Geckos with 8000 Miners And GPUs are even worse their contributions mean in the negatives. They are the worsr

Explanation

Bitcoin is definitely a communal property, but it is unique with some interesting complications.

For example, if you communicate the private key to the second party (wife, husband, gf, bf), then you basically relinquish the property and rely on their honesty, which is fine, but we all know how contentious breakups sometimes are.

If, on the other hand, you don't communicate the private key, then the other party has no ways to participate in a split of such property, unless you signed a legal document stating that you have bitcoin, specifying the amounts and accounts.

Woahza!!!!

You had posted that pic, and you were into bitcoin way back in 1975?

You are a real OG, toxie moxie.


I was kind of thinking about this too.... and sometimes it is interesting to see how some of the dynamic plays out, and surely sometimes there are way more emotional and financial ties. that may even seem that they cannot be divided into those categories because they feel that they go "beyond" those two categories.

Surely, I do not want to trivialize what Copetech is going through because the "unexpected" angle is likely greatly traumatic, but also the angle regarding which side is making the decision or if the decision is "mutual" can make a lot of differences in regards to how individuals feel about the break-up (going separate ways).

So back to the bank account situation, it can be interesting that there are no real clues, but both sides have complete access to the account and are able to completely withdraw from the account at any time, so in that regard, there need not be any telegraphing of what is going to happen (if one side has plans to make a BIG withdrawal), but there could be some sense of timing that might coincide with when some income comes in - but no matter, none of these kinds of unilateral decisions are likely to be "fair" - even though some folks might be "more fair" in their ways of dealing with others than others.

I had a relationship that was in the ballpark of 12 years long that had broken up; however, I had been attempting to force the break up for several years prior to the other side finally going through with the break up - and surely we had several business aspects in the relationship, and after the break up, I discovered a lot of signs that the break up had been premeditated for at least 6 months prior because certain preparations were being made - but the evidence of those actual preparations did not become clear to me until after I was able to look into several of the matters and to make the logical connections.  One thing that we had jointly was a 13 pound dog, and the dog was about 4 years old, and largely I had possession of the dog and I had spent way more time with the dog and training the dog; however, a few days before the "break-up" message was communicated to me, she had taken the dog, the dog shaver, some dog food and a few dog toys, and I had thought that was a little unusual, and I did not ask, but then when I got the message about the "break-up," I realized that the taking of the dog was for her to make sure that she got the dog, even though I had been spending way more time with the dog, especially in the couple of years immediately prior to the break-up news.

It took us a couple of years to really resolve the various business matters related to the break-up, because there surely was some disputes in regards to joint property - and even that her expectations in communicating the terms of the break up did not go as she had expected at the time that she first communicated the message to me - and her subsequent attempts to reiterate and to stick with the various terms that she had largely unilaterally described in the sentiment of her first break up messages.

Another interesting aspect that is relevant to this thread has to do with bitcoin, and surely there could be ideas about whether all or parts of any bitcoin stash should be considered joint property or separate property, and surely there could be questions regarding "how much bitcoin is there," and also whether such bitcoin stash was accumulated with joint funds (or joint efforts - such as brain power and time) or whether such bitcoin stash was accumulated, maintained and/or liquidated with separate (individual) funds.

So Copetech did not say anything regarding whether the bitcoin were potentially at issue - and surely sometimes partners in a relationship might not be really attempting to figure out any exact measurement of "assets to split" but instead just wanting a somewhat clean and unambiguous split from the relationship in order to be able to move onto what they might have been speculating would be their new future path. 

Surely none of it is easy, even though I would think that bitcoin would still fit into either an emotional or financial category that might even overlap with other assets or other emotions that are part of the consideration package - of course, relevant to this thread, too.

One last point for now that we regularly consider in this regards how we might build our BTC stash in such a way that attempts to contemplate future relationships that we might have - and of course, we could have more options with relationships and even things that we are able to do, if we have sufficiently and adequately prepared our BTC stash so that we are able to have a stash in the future without losing it (hopefully) along the way.

and the meaning of this random word soup is?

Infucking deed ya are!

I agree with keeping grounded, but re the other statement, it remains to be seen, Fermi paradox and all (EDIT: I am not talking about an individual, but the human race as far as the meaning of "we" is concerned).
Evolution does not have a direction, so it is absolutely not predestined to produce intelligent and above all, technologically advanced (with various levels of such) species. The skies are silent and no visible megastructures are present (no cities in the sky in comparison to what you see on the Earth surface from the nearby space).

For those who are scientifically inclined: read the "Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History" by Stephen J Gould
Here is the most important part:

Im overflowing