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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 28265. (Read 26686340 times)

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sbut then again the Mt. Gox episode was prolly the most substantial event to erode consumer confidence? :\ jmo
MtGOX must have had little influence on the mood of Chinese speculators, since most of them could not trade there.

Also the Chinese exchanges look "different" so the Chinese probably feel that "it could not happen here". (Like the US nuclear industry dismissing Chernobyl because "our designs are different".)

MtGOX is sometmes mentioned in the Chinese news, but I haven't seen any mention of Chinese losing money in it (wheras we still see much of that in the West -- e.g. in last week's "so long and thanks for all the coins" message by the Neo & Bee vanished CEO.).  There may have been Chinese among the MtGOX victims, but I doubt that they were significant in number or money.

When MtGOX finally admitted collapse, the BTC price had been on a steady descending trend for almost a month, and that trend has continued unchanged to this day.

That trend may be due to many possible reasons -- the Chinese getting bored with bitcoin speculation, the steady stream of coins mined in China, growing disenchantment with bitcoin' long-term prospects, competition by Litecoin and other altcoins, and so on.  

Whatever its cause, that trend, like almost every movement of the price since last October or earlier, is clearly a Chinese phenomenon copied to the West by arbitrage.

In addition to that trend, the BTC price had a sudden permanent drop by some 100--300 CNY after the first MtGOX announcement on Feb/10 -- but quite likely because Mark claimed that there was a "bug in the protocol", not for any implication about the MtGOX insolvency (which, at that time, was still vehemently denied by its faithful clients).

The second MtGOX announcement on Feb/20, and its final collapse a while later, did not seem to have had any permanent effect on the price in China, and therefore on the price everywhere else.  

In addition to that trend, the only significant price events with permanent effect were the mysterious jump upwards by ~700 CNY on Mar/03, and the net drop by ~300 CNY on Mar/27 after the Caixin leak.  There was a temporary "bump" during the New Year holidays Jan/29-Feb/06 (when banks were closed and volume was minimal), and another one on Apr/02--Apr/06 (when people were still wondering whether the bank part of the Caixin leak was real).  The persistence of the latter bump is not clear yet.

In summary, I do not think that MtGOX's collapse had a significant influence on the BTC price since late December.  China still defines the price, and they did not care much about MtGOX.  For that reason, I cannot guess what will happen to the price if and when the Chinese market closes.
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What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

Yea and bitcoin isn't a very attractive investment if the price isn't constantly rising. Won't happen with the ban on deposits. China has effectively banned bitcoin without banning bitcoin.

Lets just see how many coins the Chinese actually have when the deposits stop. Just because you cant deposit YEN into your account doesnt mean that you don't want BTC at all.
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What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

ever lol
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Ultranode
What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

Yea and bitcoin isn't a very attractive investment if the price isn't constantly rising. Won't happen with the ban on deposits. China has effectively banned bitcoin without banning bitcoin.
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Shitcoin Minimalist
What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.
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Ultranode
..snip..


As of a reddit translation, a day ago.. Huobi said April 18th their ICBC card deposit accounts would be halted and they would stop prior to that date. This was in a discussion with the bank manager or customer service manager not a direct with the PBoC and as well they bank c/s managers alleged it came from higher up and wasn't a typed document buy a oral communication.

PBoC today we're hearing from the President of the PBoC there was never a plan to ban bitcoin.

As stated before they just enforced Dec 5th policies.

No deposits is pretty much a ban. Certainly not good for the price and will assist in our capitulation to $10.
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..snip..


As of a reddit translation, a day ago.. Huobi said April 18th their ICBC card deposit accounts would be halted and they would stop prior to that date. This was in a discussion with the bank manager or customer service manager not a direct with the PBoC and as well they bank c/s managers alleged it came from higher up and wasn't a typed document buy a oral communication.

PBoC today we're hearing from the President of the PBoC there was never a plan to ban bitcoin.

As stated before they just enforced Dec 5th policies.
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-Bitcoin & Ripple-
From march 24th to today.. we've been from 592 > 339 > 415-430 .. all on FUD from China...also the unprofessional aspect of the PBoC disgusts me. As well as the fact greed dictates a majority of day traders are going to use that information in one way only, the same way the used it since Dec 5.

I predicted it and you fool believed that I was trolling =D THANK YOU ! I have 25% coin more now !
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HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

why I am not day trading, I don't even use them. I think we're currently in a bull trap lol

http://imgur.com/HCopK4u after being shown the previous statements which give a lot of context I am willing to admit being wrong, and say that shits highly unprofessional.

However.. I didn't compare stamp to barclays.. they compared professional brokers to stamp so I asked them how stamp should convey their message to be more like the professional thieves and included an example.

Fair enough. I will say that the posts make it seem like someone important at Stamp might be looking to get out of their BTC position. Wink
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From march 24th to today.. we've been from 592 > 339 > 415-430 .. all on FUD from China...also the unprofessional aspect of the PBoC disgusts me. As well as the fact greed dictates a majority of day traders are going to use that information in one way only, the same way the used it since Dec 5.
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A few pages back I read something about China-related movement hapenning on the 18th. What's up with that? I thought that their ban on exchanges or whatever goes into effect on the 15th, so there should be wild fireworks going around on that date, in either direction. But why the 18th?
legendary
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HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

If it said bull trap I would laugh harder
hero member
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HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

why I am not day trading, I don't even use them. I think we're currently in a bull trap lol

http://imgur.com/HCopK4u after being shown the previous statements which give a lot of context I am willing to admit being wrong, and say that shits highly unprofessional.

However.. I didn't compare stamp to barclays.. they compared professional brokers to stamp so I asked them how stamp should convey their message to be more like the professional thieves and included an example.
legendary
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sr. member
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HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.
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These overnight profits Grin sometimes Bitcoin really is a get rich quick scheme. Anyway time to take the day off and enjoy the weekend. Looking back to the total lack of buy interest for 440+ coins and the grind down the last weeks, probably a good idea.

Anytime there's crazy volatility there's a good chance for quick profit if you have even the slightest idea what you're doing.

I turned over 18+% gains in 12 hours (actually, that's partially a lie. I took some 15+% gains late last night around $410, figuring that was pretty good for 3 hours work).
hero member
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Well last night I got drunk and dumoed 10% of my holdings for some finances to see me through the next while.

Today I woke up sober and bought straight back in for a 2btc loss.

Was it worth it.... . yes I paid 2 btc to hedge some funds and some peace of mind

I slept great, woke up to my Fib bottom holding for the time being. I am just praying my exchange gets my bank re verified so I can buy before it gets above my ABP
hero member
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I guess the $102 guy was a retard after all !

He was a retard either way even if we were sitting at $10 he could have got $1000's more for his coins.
sr. member
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I guess the $102 guy was a retard after all !
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My thought process? I'm simply discussing the topic at hand, in the thread. Unlike you, who wants to divert my attention away from the topic as some kind of defense against actually have to discuss it.

I personally have no problem with the statement posted. I am not diverting it anywhere I am making it clear you're applying double standards to which you find fraud or misrepresentation as bad.

https://twitter.com/BarclaysStock/status/412652178705514496

The Eurozone recovery is fragile – but it could still be enough to give profits a boost. #BarclaysSmartInvestor http://ow.ly/rNGXw

So essentially had bitstamp just been coy and hidden the message in a sentence like

The Bitcoin market recovers following Chinese manipulation - is this time for #tothemoon

would be ok?
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