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How about beers? when never have enough anyway

What? That's not an argument... that's not even logical. If people are not paying taxes then they would be able to afford the tolls... and only those that use the roads would have to pay for them. It's like you're arguing that people are being expected to work for free... that's just misleading.

Try to think of a system where everyone only pays for what they use... that what's possible with Bitcoin technology.

Well i have guns, property with extensive gardens,  and a long time girlfriend... So dont need food or hooks.  I would trade food for ammunition and solar panels, but depending on when shit hits the fan i may not need those thing by then.

Huh? What utopian volunteerism?  Are you hallucinating or am I sleeping?  Both?

This is not, nor has it been in recent history, a reality.  The fact that such arrangements have never persisted is, in itself, proof of their implausibility.  A world where there is no crime, for instance, is superior to a world where crime exists.  But such an ideal is as implausible as the utopian volunteerism you describe.  

Shouldn't you say "bring some food and hookers" ?

Im poor, and i am ok with staying home.  Bring on the anarchism.

Isnt reality built upon dreams? all that MLK "i have a dream" or "the american dream" and so on doesnt ring a bell?

Explanation

Yeah, let's build them! Let's take your knowledge of building roads, my knowledge of building roads, and combined, I'm willing to bet that we'll have a total of zero knowledge of how to build roads. Since we can't do it, someone will have to. But that someone is going to want to be paid for their investment/hard work, so you'll probably have to pay tolls every few miles. Oh, wait, some people can't afford those tolls. Those people better stay home or get ready to walk it, because they're fucked.

The same logic can be applied to pretty much everything else. It's a good society...for those who can afford it. But hey, at least we don't need those poor deadbeats mooching off our roads and having police protection and shit. That's reserved for the people who deserve it. That's for the people with wealth.

Dreams and reality rarely intersect.

I disagree. And since you seem to be disinclined to get into the weeds (and this is the wrong forum in any case), I guess that's the end of it.

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But if he hodls for a year he'll be the overall winner.

Why the dumping today from 640ish to 620 ish?
Any specific news or just regular price fluctuation?

global monopolistic companies owe their existence to global monopolistic governments.  you can't have one without the other.  the centralized state is no less causally responsible for the privatized water arrangement operated by a centralized corporation than it is for the socialized water arrangement operated by a central state.

What is difficult for me to imagine is why anyone would think that we don't already live in that sort of environment.

One of the service providers, working for the highest bidder, is called the state.  It runs an extortion racket on the side, and occasionally kills a few million people at a go.

and therefore he is an all out loser....having been trapped and still is going to be plundered  by Mark and his buddy - criminals at TBF !

Ah!  Thanks...

I draw no lines, I see a spectrum.

Let's forget the left-wing/right-wing spectrum - the important spectrum in my opinion stretches between authoritarianism/totalitarianism and anarchy.

I advocate the movement towards the anarchy part of the spectrum. Not in any violent, preferably not even sudden manner, because I think that would cause confusion and suffering. I do this because I am convinced that decentralized/voluntary/anarchistic forms of societal organization are far superior to centralized forms in terms of their efficiency. We can observe the same with technological solutions such as Bitcoin or P2P filesharing. They eliminate central points of failure (which in the case of societal institutions serve as corrupting power centers on people in their proximity), improve feedback and information accuracy (communication is only possible between equals aka. a man holding a gun to your head will only be told what his victim thinks won't make him pull the trigger) and boost resource usage efficiency (compare the cost of running even theoretically 1000x upscaled Bitcoin network to the cost of the current financial industry). I could go on about the practical reasons of why I advocate decentralization and anarchy. I leave the moral reasons to the moralists. I'd rather discuss my favorite band or writer, not my favorite set of morals

Besides all that, I simply think that "No thanks, I don't want to be governed by ANY of these choices present" is a legitimate position which should be honored just as much as the picking of a certain candidate. That this opinion is basically considered invalid by the current system makes me uneasy.

Oh yeah and about the eternal "what about the roads/fire department/schools/etc." - let's build them. Now that we have Blockchain technology and an increasingly stable currency on top of it we can build all sorts of things on a voluntary and decentralized basis at least for the reason that we don't want to be dependent on the government providing these services. Wouldn't that be a neat thing? Grow the institutions to replace the current system from the ground up. Let's plant some seeds.