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legendary
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and if all mining of btc stops btc becomes frozen in the address it is in. unable to move digital across nations.

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Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. It's not a global on/off switch. If miners start shutting down, the difficulty will drop, giving more incentive for smaller miners to start mining, thus resuming the 1 block / 10 min target. It's a self-regulating closed loop. Can't speed it up, can't slow it down. It's been beating steadily for 15 years now.

well much like gold or silver or oil companies will not full stop.


the difference is btc in a wallet fully needs active mining to stay "alive"

the oz of gold in the bar in my house does not need active mining to stay a gold bar.

So when supply + demand people say it's all in demand for price. it is not the same fundamentals as the demand for gold.

btc supply new and old  needs active mining

gold supply new needs active mining old does not.


I think this is basically ignored in loyce and jjg's models  for btc price.


mining of btc can 2x affect supply which surely will affect demand directly much more than gold.


yeah to think mining losing profit and dropping from 660eh to 330eh won't be a direct affect on price is quite naive.

last time mining dropped 50% due to china price dropped 50%. and mining lead the drop in price.



oh and a nice bart as price drops to 59k


Reading all this made me think that you think that mining is some kind of a weakness for bitcoin.
I would say, NOT as some energy sources for bitcoin are essentially free, like geothermal or hydro.
Yes, a miner in NJ may shut down due to costs, but El salvador would continue (using volcano power).
I personally think it would be terrible if only POS remain.

That said, efforts are underway to 'mobilize" already mined bitcpoin.
The question is: does already mined bitcoin has (in it) some kind of "stored energy"?
M. Saylor talks about it, and if it is so, there could be a smart way to use that "energy".
Personally, I don't think that bitcoin should be 'frozen' even if current mining activity (at some future point) is low.
The question is how to do it.

interesting  a weakness or a problem yet to be solved.
i look and scrypt with its Ltc+doge+ now belles coins and I see doge rewards never ending. I see doge with a perfectly predictable shrinking inflation rate.I also see zelle as free and safe for US use and i think btc is going to need to solve long term revenues for miners.
well mike saylor is clever maybe he models a way to unlock mined coins.

sorry...that service you mentioned is NOT safe at all-scams all around, beware.
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[...]

and if all mining of btc stops btc becomes frozen in the address it is in. unable to move digital across nations.

[...]

Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. It's not a global on/off switch. If miners start shutting down, the difficulty will drop, giving more incentive for smaller miners to start mining, thus resuming the 1 block / 10 min target. It's a self-regulating closed loop. Can't speed it up, can't slow it down. It's been beating steadily for 15 years now.

well much like gold or silver or oil companies will not full stop.


the difference is btc in a wallet fully needs active mining to stay "alive"

the oz of gold in the bar in my house does not need active mining to stay a gold bar.

So when supply + demand people say it's all in demand for price. it is not the same fundamentals as the demand for gold.

btc supply new and old  needs active mining

gold supply new needs active mining old does not.


I think this is basically ignored in loyce and jjg's models  for btc price.


mining of btc can 2x affect supply which surely will affect demand directly much more than gold.


yeah to think mining losing profit and dropping from 660eh to 330eh won't be a direct affect on price is quite naive.

last time mining dropped 50% due to china price dropped 50%. and mining lead the drop in price.



oh and a nice bart as price drops to 59k


Reading all this made me think that you think that mining is some kind of a weakness for bitcoin.
I would say, NOT as some energy sources for bitcoin are essentially free, like geothermal or hydro.
Yes, a miner in NJ may shut down due to costs, but El salvador would continue (using volcano power).
I personally think it would be terrible if only POS remain.

That said, efforts are underway to 'mobilize" already mined bitcpoin.
The question is: does already mined bitcoin has (in it) some kind of "stored energy"?
M. Saylor talks about it, and if it is so, there could be a smart way to use that "energy".
Personally, I don't think that bitcoin should be 'frozen' even if current mining activity (at some future point) is low.
The question is how to do it.

interesting  a weakness or a problem yet to be solved.
i look and scrypt with its Ltc+doge+ now belles coins and I see doge rewards never ending. I see doge with a perfectly predictable shrinking inflation rate.I also see zelle as free and safe for US use and i think btc is going to need to solve long term revenues for miners.
well mike saylor is clever maybe he models a way to unlock mined coins.









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[...]

and if all mining of btc stops btc becomes frozen in the address it is in. unable to move digital across nations.

[...]

Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. It's not a global on/off switch. If miners start shutting down, the difficulty will drop, giving more incentive for smaller miners to start mining, thus resuming the 1 block / 10 min target. It's a self-regulating closed loop. Can't speed it up, can't slow it down. It's been beating steadily for 15 years now.

well much like gold or silver or oil companies will not full stop.


the difference is btc in a wallet fully needs active mining to stay "alive"

the oz of gold in the bar in my house does not need active mining to stay a gold bar.

So when supply + demand people say it's all in demand for price. it is not the same fundamentals as the demand for gold.

btc supply new and old  needs active mining

gold supply new needs active mining old does not.


I think this is basically ignored in loyce and jjg's models  for btc price.


mining of btc can 2x affect supply which surely will affect demand directly much more than gold.


yeah to think mining losing profit and dropping from 660eh to 330eh won't be a direct affect on price is quite naive.

last time mining dropped 50% due to china price dropped 50%. and mining lead the drop in price.



oh and a nice bart as price drops to 59k


Reading all this made me think that you think that mining is some kind of a weakness for bitcoin.
I would say, NOT as some energy sources for bitcoin are essentially free, like geothermal or hydro.
Yes, a miner in NJ may shut down due to costs, but El salvador would continue (using volcano power).
I personally think it would be terrible if only POS remain.

That said, efforts are underway to 'mobilize" already mined bitcoin.
The question is: does already mined bitcoin has (in it) some kind of "stored energy"?
M. Saylor talks about it, and if it is so, there could be a smart way to use that "energy".
Personally, I don't think that bitcoin should be 'frozen' even if current mining activity (at some future point) is low.
The question is how to do it.
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Learning never stops!

But first lets pass the slaughterhouse....
Definitely => 60,69~75
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To further argue the point. If all mining of gold stops. Gold will become more valuable as it will become rare.

and if all mining of btc stops btc becomes frozen in the address it is in. unable to move digital across nations.

So yeah mining does affect and control btc much more than it does gold or silver or precious material.


Not so much oil which needs continued mining to exsist.


In a way oil is a better model than gold for btc but the reality is neither oil or gold model the way btc does when it comes to the mining of it.

its why traditional supply and demand is not exactly correct to say that is controls btc price.


btc mining can directly influence supply across the board.. in and it can directly influence demand.

gold mining can only partially influence supply.

 Imagine the mining fees to the one who keeps his rig running long enough though!
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Summer ends next month means 4 weeks+ of depressing bear market.

October is almost always a mega green dildo.

Let's hope for it.


I turn my candles orange and purple. For that Spooktober feeling.
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Summer ends next month means 4 weeks+ of depressing bear market.
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This is like me saying, "Ah yes, to the moon! No, wait... I'm crashing!"
Whatever, it cool though. We've been through this before.
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About having rich problems, a billionaire just died (along with others including his 18yo daughter) in the freak sinking of a superyacht.

Last year there was also the one (also with his 18yo kid) who died in a dodgy submarine...

I've done plenty of sailing and never came close to dying, oh well.

The billionaire was involved in many fraud cases and his partner died suspiciously just a couple weeks ago. Clearly this was not a boating accident, nor did he die as a result of sinking. He was very clearly murdered along with his business partner, but I don’t expect we’ll see any arrests anytime soon. It’s dangerous being rich.
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and if all mining of btc stops btc becomes frozen in the address it is in. unable to move digital across nations.

[...]

Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. It's not a global on/off switch. If miners start shutting down, the difficulty will drop, giving more incentive for smaller miners to start mining, thus resuming the 1 block / 10 min target. It's a self-regulating closed loop. Can't speed it up, can't slow it down. It's been beating steadily for 15 years now.

I dont see mining activity reducing to zero is ever a threat.  I'll go back to mining if really needed its only that others came in with bigger machines that saw off the little people.   We can always revert if need be, my elec is often free surplus and around the world at some times of day that is generally true.   So many have both the hardware, software, connections all of that has become more capable, available cheaper in the last decade then also free elec; someone will always do the mining even if it was at a small price or profit.
   Alot of people started off on SETI unit work as I remember, we got nothing just a snazzy screensaver for our troubles Cheesy  


44 years of active use is massively impressive Smiley
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