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legendary
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Whoever has possibly acquired Gox is not SecondMarket:

As for the end of MtGox, Silbert said the end of MtGox may prove a boon in the longrun to Bitcoin.

"The sooner that MtGox goes away, the better."

More details about what SecondMarket is doing:

Using London's Intercontinental Exchange commodities market as a model, SecondMarket CEO Barry Silbert said he envisions as a hub and spoke arrangement, with his firm serving as a "meta-exchange" through which certified member exchanges and market-makers could trade with one another.

The organization would serve three roles: price discovery, central clearing, and, most ambitiously, as a self-regulatory organization, like FINRA. SecondMarket would front $20 million in cash and Bitcoin assets.

"We have half a dozen conversations ongoing with global banks, a high level of interest and early support from global banks to be part of this," he told BI by phone Tuesday. "We've spent a fair amount of time with regulators, they're very aware of what we're doing."

SecondMarket is also hoping to expand its offering of products for investing in digital currencies.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-secondmarket-exchange-2014-2




A kind of Bitcoin central bank then?  Smiley
legendary
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4.) At this point, http://gox.com is still a parked domain, and not long after starts to redirect to http://mtgox.com (EDIT: More information on the domain situation from chris45215, which basically confirms that MtGox were indeed planning to relaunch as Gox.com as explained in the leaked document)

Shame they couldn't have gone with Gox.edu
newbie
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gox me once, shame on you

gox me twice, shame on me

but gox me three times, HuhHuh??

i honestly wonder how many people are still willing to trust anything associated with gox branding after this
hero member
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Obviously so.  But what about an investment that promises a 10,000% return in 3 years?

Excuse me? What investment is promising 10,000% returns in 3 years? Please source.

You are trying very hard to embarass yourself, Mr. Stelfi - again and again and again.


Whoa, sorry, the hood fit again, Mr. Bitcoinraimpion?

Seriously, relax, I was not referring to you specifically.  In fact I have no idea of who you are and what you promise to your clients, if you have any. 
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The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.

early adopters of bitcoin will be majorly hated

dont expect anything else


Guys, it's just the usual cycle of breakthrough technologies.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Totally normal process. We're at stage 2-3, somewhere in between.
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Whoever has possibly acquired Gox is not SecondMarket:

As for the end of MtGox, Silbert said the end of MtGox may prove a boon in the longrun to Bitcoin.

"The sooner that MtGox goes away, the better."

More details about what SecondMarket is doing:

Using London's Intercontinental Exchange commodities market as a model, SecondMarket CEO Barry Silbert said he envisions as a hub and spoke arrangement, with his firm serving as a "meta-exchange" through which certified member exchanges and market-makers could trade with one another.

The organization would serve three roles: price discovery, central clearing, and, most ambitiously, as a self-regulatory organization, like FINRA. SecondMarket would front $20 million in cash and Bitcoin assets.

"We have half a dozen conversations ongoing with global banks, a high level of interest and early support from global banks to be part of this," he told BI by phone Tuesday. "We've spent a fair amount of time with regulators, they're very aware of what we're doing."

SecondMarket is also hoping to expand its offering of products for investing in digital currencies.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-secondmarket-exchange-2014-2


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legendary
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The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.

early adopters of bitcoin will be majorly hated

dont expect anything else
legendary
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One thought - if Gox is being taken over, then there is a lot for any incoming team to do.

There may be an announcement soon, but Gox will is unlikely to open up anywhere near soon.

It will need a total audit, endless meetings and staffing briefings, then probably new software that needs to be tested etc.

So - even if takeover happens, we won't see Gox back soon - or Gox coins flooding other exchanges in a hurry.

I doubt 'April 1st' is a likely date, not just for comedy reasons, either - an announcement by then, sure - maybe.

Gox rising phoenix-like from the ashes - nope.

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"Visa, Mastercard, we know what they are...."

He's saying he doesn't know what bitcoin is.  So the fault is not his, it's the network for not asking the question when asking him on.  Do you know what Bitcoins is?!!
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The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.
Boy, I can't wait to see those bashers' faces when we get to $10,000.

It will be the same as the bashers who called it a dead ponzi after the first crash and then continued to call it a ponzi during the next boom. They have no interest in learning about it. I think it will take full blown currency crisis before they spend some time trying understand what Bitcoin is.

That's exactly the thing, bitcoin is quite complex for the average Joe to understand, the principles, the working mechanisms are unlike anything there was before in the financial world.
People really cling to old beliefs and old thought patterns. All they do when hearing about bitcoin, is reading two or three news articles, written of course by absolutely clueless reporters who themselves
do not understand anything about technology, then in the end they come to the conclusion that it's just another volatile, high risk asset. They do not understand the revolutionary technology behind it, nor do they care. Until a giant catastrophe won't force them into bitcoin, literally force them to read and learn about what bitcoin really is, they will just repeat the same old lines, the same old beliefs that we alle have heard so often before. Those guys will still cry "ponzi" when bitcoin reaches 100k $, which I strongly believe, it will one day.


Bitcoin isn't a ponzi scheme, because it's just a neutral piece of software. What it is however, is a very good platform to grow ponzi schemes (goxes) on.

Yes, I know that, you know that, but not the average guy unfortunately. But they will be forced to learn it the hard way one day, at the latest during the next financial meltdown  Wink
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hero member
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[21:20:32] ok, my updated position
[21:20:32] I still trust mark to try and do the best he can for users
[21:20:33] which probably means trying to sell to a big player who can cover user deposits
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banned but not broken
The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.
Boy, I can't wait to see those bashers' faces when we get to $10,000.

It will be the same as the bashers who called it a dead ponzi after the first crash and then continued to call it a ponzi during the next boom. They have no interest in learning about it. I think it will take full blown currency crisis before they spend some time trying understand what Bitcoin is.

That's exactly the thing, bitcoin is quite complex for the average Joe to understand, the principles, the working mechanisms are unlike anything there was before in the financial world.
People really cling to old beliefs and old thought patterns. All they do when hearing about bitcoin, is reading two or three news articles, written of course by absolutely clueless reporters who themselves
do not understand anything about technology, then in the end they come to the conclusion that it's just another volatile, high risk asset. They do not understand the revolutionary technology behind it, nor do they care. Until a giant catastrophe won't force them into bitcoin, literally force them to read and learn about what bitcoin really is, they will just repeat the same old lines, the same old beliefs that we alle have heard so often before. Those guys will still cry "ponzi" when bitcoin reaches 100k $, which I strongly believe, it will one day.


Bitcoin isn't a ponzi scheme, because it's just a neutral piece of software. What it is however, is a very good platform to grow ponzi schemes (goxes) on.
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jeremy liew asking lawsky to expedite regulation
What are they going to regulate anyway? There isn't really much they can do. If they regulate US based exchanges, exchanges will just open elsewhere (i.e., Singapore?).

The whole discussion of regulation is a pipe-dream.

I don't want regulation for the simple fact that I don't want an exchange which is going to report my trade history to a government.

Regulations don't have to come from state. The bitcoin market system can be self-regulatory when it would just get off it's ass and act. Nice to see that this idea isn't getting so much numb-minded "regulation is eeevil! eeevil I tell you! the free market will sort out everything!" as it got couple of weeks ago.

You can check out this topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5058843
He is talking about US government regulation. I agree, regulations can take different forms, and I am for those free market regulatory forms. I think Bitcoin could allow the demonstration of this to the public, where such possibilities have been prohibited by government and people's lack of understanding of the self regulatory nature of markets.
sr. member
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-"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Bring regulation tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. I'll never have problems sleeping being full in bitcoins then as that means to the moon ladies and gentleman.

Those who thought we're going to be left free forever to make millions without being regulated live in cuckooland.
Depends on where you live. Bitcoin and its exchanges/services won't be regulated everywhere.

I don't live in USA but USA is all that matters for Bitcoin to prosper. So, US regulation is coming and I am very happy for it.

Either troll or naive.

Regulation as in using global accounting firms to launder your money and evade tax by moving money between countries as corporations do, but only if you are a member of the club.

Is that your idea of prosperity?
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The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.
Boy, I can't wait to see those bashers' faces when we get to $10,000.

It will be the same as the bashers who called it a dead ponzi after the first crash and then continued to call it a ponzi during the next boom. They have no interest in learning about it. I think it will take full blown currency crisis before they spend some time trying understand what Bitcoin is.

That's exactly the thing, bitcoin is quite complex for the average Joe to understand, the principles, the working mechanisms are unlike anything there was before in the financial world.
People really cling to old beliefs and old thought patterns. All they do when hearing about bitcoin, is reading two or three news articles, written of course by absolutely clueless reporters who themselves
do not understand anything about technology, then in the end they come to the conclusion that it's just another volatile, high risk asset. They do not understand the revolutionary technology behind it, nor do they care. Until a giant catastrophe won't force them into bitcoin, literally force them to read and learn about what bitcoin really is, they will just repeat the same old lines, the same old beliefs that we alle have heard so often before. Those guys will still cry "ponzi" when bitcoin reaches 100k $, which I strongly believe, it will one day.
sr. member
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jeremy liew asking lawsky to expedite regulation
What are they going to regulate anyway? There isn't really much they can do. If they regulate US based exchanges, exchanges will just open elsewhere (i.e., Singapore?).

The whole discussion of regulation is a pipe-dream.

And those exchanges will be shit just like any others built for few thousands.

We need exchange built for millions, and that will happen in USA only, and that won't happen before every bit of thing is regulated as nobody will invest that amount of money in something that isn't defined by law.
You don't know that. That is the beauty of the free market... it more than likely tends to develop better innovations than regulated ones, despite the bumps along the way.
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The comments on CNN's front page story really shows how the public is rooting for bitcoin to fail.
Boy, I can't wait to see those bashers' faces when we get to $10,000.

It will be the same as the bashers who called it a dead ponzi after the first crash and then continued to call it a ponzi during the next boom. They have no interest in learning about it. I think it will take full blown currency crisis before they spend some time trying understand what Bitcoin is.
And that crisis is about to happen after the Federal Reserve tapers (They already started tapering). History tells us again and again that the stock market always crashes after rampant market intervention and manipulation.
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banned but not broken
jeremy liew asking lawsky to expedite regulation
What are they going to regulate anyway? There isn't really much they can do. If they regulate US based exchanges, exchanges will just open elsewhere (i.e., Singapore?).

The whole discussion of regulation is a pipe-dream.

I don't want regulation for the simple fact that I don't want an exchange which is going to report my trade history to a government.

Regulations don't have to come from state. The bitcoin market system can be self-regulatory when it would just get off it's ass and act. Nice to see that this idea isn't getting so much numb-minded "regulation is eeevil! eeevil I tell you! the free market will sort out everything!" as it got couple of weeks ago.

You can check out this topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5055548
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