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legendary
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Looking back through some of the bad luck....

I did it. Finally got rid of all my Mtgox fiat!!!  Grin  Cheesy  Wink

First step is down. Now to get the BTC out of that hell hole.

Hopefully this isn't going to be bittersweet (if pricr drops further).  Embarrassed

btc was 900 Box each.....could have 9x the amount now (but at least he actually has ACCESS to the BTC, so maybe he still made a smart decision)
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
They don't trust gox withdrawal and would rather get the hell out of gox and use stamp withdrawal which is more reliable and faster. Their profit is already so big they don't need to be greedy.
If they weren't greedy and didn't trust gox they wouldn't have sent their fiat to gox to buy the coins in the first place.
You're talking about taking a risk for a 700% gain v.s. taking a risk for a 10% gain. They are willing to do the former but not that latter. Or perhaps even they had the fiat on gox from a long time ago when they used to trust gox.

Perhaps. I shouldn't have let you drag me off point. It doesn't matter what the recent gox buyers do. The only reason stamp is below $800 is because stamp buyers are being lured away by cheap goxcoins. Once gox withdrawls resume and the gox price rises above stamp, those buyers will go back to stamp and the stamp price will rise.
legendary
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The horrible realization from people who sold near double digits that mtgoxUSD is actually as bad, if not worse, than mtgoxBTC. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

GoxBTC is superior to GoxUsd - no doubt about it.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
I posted a picture of the 3 day ema chart to try to warn you guys,  with the EMAs at 655 and 690. Obviously it wasn't going anywhere, there was no room to go. It's going to have to trade sideways and consolidate for a while and do a lot of volume before it breaks that. The MACD is nowhere close.
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
This is either a giant bull trap or bear trap....can't decide Sad
hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 1000
Monero (XMR) - secure, private, untraceable
MT Gox's green address used internally for customer BTC withdrawals is active for the first time in 2 weeks!

https://blockchain.info/address/1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q

5 million bitcoins have gone through this address in the last 3 years, so it is very significant.

The transaction was confirmed: https://blockchain.info/address/1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q
member
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Merit: 10
I am still confused.  From the comments in that reddit thread, I understood that there is not a single bit of new news about MtGOX: they did not start testing, they did not resume withdrawals, there have been no reports from them or anything.  Did I understand it wrong?
I read somewhere that the new gox transactions contain gox's custom txid. That suggests they are trying to fix the malleability problem instead of preparing for bankruptcy.
sr. member
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Anyone who doesn't realize some of their 300-700% profit made in one week is nuts imo.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
I am still confused.  From the comments in that reddit thread, I understood that there is not a single bit of new news about MtGOX: they did not start testing, they did not resume withdrawals, there have been no reports from them or anything.  Did I understand it wrong?

I think that a day ago people started to wake up to the fact that they might have been blinded by the sweeping negative emotion against Gox.

Not saying that everything will be OK there of course...

Also people waking up to easy arbitrage opportunities.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
I am still confused.  From the comments in that reddit thread, I understood that there is not a single bit of new news about MtGOX: they did not start testing, they did not resume withdrawals, there have been no reports from them or anything.  Did I understand it wrong?
No. A bunch of whales just decided to take the risk and buy up.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
Lazy, cynical and insolent since 1968
I am still confused.  From the comments in that reddit thread, I understood that there is not a single bit of new news about MtGOX: they did not start testing, they did not resume withdrawals, there have been no reports from them or anything.  Did I understand it wrong?

Jorge, if it's on REDDIT then it's true, absolutely, 100% certainty -- it's new technology and you just wouldn't understand.
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
Nighty Night Don't Let The Trolls Bite Nom Nom Nom
Gox dies -> people replace their lost coins on stamp -> stamp goes up  or those people are then broke or are disinterested in bitcoin
Gox lives -> no more cheap goxcoins to compete with -> stamp goes up  cheap goxcoins will be flooding the rest of the market


people have bought bitcoins lower thn $90 and have held, there is nothing to say all people will dump cheap gox coins. I do think we are likely to be pushed downward meet in the middle though.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
They don't trust gox withdrawal and would rather get the hell out of gox and use stamp withdrawal which is more reliable and faster. Their profit is already so big they don't need to be greedy.
If they weren't greedy and didn't trust gox they wouldn't have sent their fiat to gox to buy the coins in the first place.
You're talking about taking a risk for a 700% gain v.s. taking a risk for a 10% gain. They are willing to do the former but not that latter. Or perhaps even they had the fiat on gox from a long time ago when they used to trust gox.
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1003
I am still confused.  From the comments in that reddit thread, I understood that there is not a single bit of new news about MtGOX: they did not start testing, they did not resume withdrawals, there have been no reports from them or anything.  Did I understand it wrong?
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
They don't trust gox withdrawal and would rather get the hell out of gox and use stamp withdrawal which is more reliable and faster. Their profit is already so big they don't need to be greedy.
If they weren't greedy and didn't trust gox they wouldn't have sent their fiat to gox to buy the coins in the first place.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
They don't trust gox withdrawal and would rather get the hell out of gox and use stamp withdrawal which is more reliable and faster. Their profit is already so big they don't need to be greedy.

Nice assumption
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
They don't trust gox withdrawal and would rather get the hell out of gox and use stamp withdrawal which is more reliable and faster. Their profit is already so big they don't need to be greedy.
full member
Activity: 192
Merit: 100
Well, there you have the difference between us then: You are already _sure_ about what will happen, and I am not, and am willing to wait another day or two of more volume to see what reopening of withdrawals entails. Time will tell which strategy was the better one.

Dude, if I were that sure I'd bet my house  Cheesy
No, in Bitcoinland you are never sure of anything, a new surprise can come out (Bitstamp has the same problems than Gox, US considers terrorists all BTC holders...). What I'm saying is that if everything goes NORMAL (and that is a BIG if), prices should go down as soon as Gox reopens.
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
If Gox enables withdrawals, goxcoins will no longer be cheap. This will happen almost instantly.
The cheap goxcoins will be the ones that people are already holding. They bought at 90-300 and never sold them.
And they will be worth $800 on gox. So why will they sell below $620 on stamp?
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1007
But there's another observation that shouldn't be ignored: gox and stamp prices (to pick out the 2 big Western exchanges) have always been highly correlated. There's a large gap between absolute prices, but the correlation still exists (although I suspect it is lower now than it was 1 year ago -- I should look at this again).

That said, here's the observation: in the last week or two, it was apparent that stamp was rather reluctant to follow gox in its tumble to zero. There is no "instrumental" reason I can think of (as in: some obvious way for automated trading profiting on stable prices on stamp vs. falling prices on gox), so large scale manipulation non-withstanding (which I am always rather sceptical about as an explanation), I consider another interpreation:

The crash on gox revealed buying pressure that lay dormant in the otherwise "overpriced" market. Similar to how the SR closure started the rally, because it revealed the pent up buying pressure by bringing price temporarily low enough for the sideline fiat to enter.

Note that I'm unconvinced the 2nd explanation is the right one. I'm just pointing out that I *can* see another way for the price difference to resolve, other than the other exchanges being brought down by cheap gox btc.

That may be for the long run, after the dust settles, but the next days after (if?) MtGox is alive again it will be a bloodbath out there, I can't see any other option:

- Huge gap waiting to be closed (it won't be only Gox going to 600+, a lot of people want to be out of there ASAP).
- People scared with 90%+ of their money on BTCGox (there are a LOT of people like this) going to a more 50% fiat 50% BTC
- Huge warning these days of things that can go wrong on BTC world, result: People cashing benefits on relieable markets
- Few new money entering BTC world with all this "noise".
- ...

I'm bullish on the long run. And with long I mean +2 years, but next weeks (Gox dies or Gox resumes withdrawals, it's the same) are going to be RED on other markets.

Well, there you have the difference between us then: You are already _sure_ about what will happen, and I am not, and am willing to wait another day or two of more volume to see what reopening of withdrawals entails. Time will tell which strategy was the better one.
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