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legendary
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my bee brothers order come in just now

Much honey
Very gift
Such Delicious

Buy all the bitcoins, and live off honey and caramels!



Just get some bees. Hmm, there's an idea for a new altcoin.
legendary
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I recently learned I am one-degree of separation from a great whale manipulator.  Manipulation is happening.  I also learned that the exchanges realize this and are cracking down on it behind the scenes (they obviously don't want to come out and discuss this openly).  And besides, as the market grows, manipulation is becoming more difficult anyways.

But it's important to note that the great whales do not want bitcoin to crash to the point where it truly damages confidence.  They know they cannot quickly cash out 100,000 BTC and nor do they want to because they believe that bitcoin is the future of money.  

In fact, the more I think about "manipulation" and "whales" the less I see it as manipulation in the first place.  What's wrong with putting up a 1,000 BTC sell wall to try to drop the price?  By doing this you are risking a larger whale eating your wall in a single bite--live by the sword and die by the sword it seems.

In conclusion, the great whales--more often than not--are allies of bitcoin.  

I agree. I'm not sure why "manipulation" is seen as illegitimate. Maybe I should read up on history. Can someone point me to something in history that meant trouble and triggered all the regulation we have in the "regulated" markets?

In my current naive mind, I can see a "manipulation problem" only when "unfair advantages" are being played, like in the case of naked short-selling, for example.


I completely agree and I'm merely stating it exists and that it is naive to deny it.

I'm not talking about legitimacy. In fact, manipulation is part of the natural dynamics of any zero-sum game (as markets are). Everyone should read about Nash equilibrium, game theory and the such.

To win in the market it pays to think n moves ahead of your adversary, same as in chess.

Manipulation is just the art of tricking your opponents into picking the next wrong move, and then taking advantage of that.

Traditional market studies with successful traders has shown it goes much further than that, where some traders claim to be thinking and basing their strategies off of the analysis of 5 "moves ahead".

Chess players think as far as 10-15 moves ahead with all of their possibilities branched out.

Manipulation IS part of the game.


legendary
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

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The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.

if someone buys a Significant amount of bitcoin all within a couple days, will that make the price dip or spike?
I read in another post someone saying that it would cause the price to spike but that doesn't make sense to me. Someone buying a lot would cause the price to spike, that's logical, right?

Depends if someone dumps it in their lap but usually yes - if someone really wants to buy then they will buy upwards!

Depends on what significant amount is. Usually 1000 will do it. But won't raise price by much.

Well, if its MORE than Secondmarket it will be more than 80,000 bitcoins worth.
legendary
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anyone trying to figure out what that tweet was about, and who is the player is going to be here is some clarification  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sov9z/anyone_know_the_hedge_fund_entering_the_bitcoin/  

I still do not understand the whole thing  



Edit: WTF this is 18 day old news.... sorry guys I didnt see the date, I just copied it because I was redirected there, I thought it was something new


but the idiot who tweeted that is getting trashed on reddit  Cheesy
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.

if someone buys a Significant amount of bitcoin all within a couple days, will that make the price dip or spike?
I read in another post someone saying that it would cause the price to spike but that doesn't make sense to me. Someone buying a lot would cause the price to spike, that's logical, right?

Depends if someone dumps it in their lap but usually yes - if someone really wants to buy then they will buy upwards!

Depends on what significant amount is. Usually 1000 will do it. But won't raise price by much.
legendary
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I recently learned I am one-degree of separation from a great whale manipulator.  Manipulation is happening.  I also learned that the exchanges realize this and are cracking down on it behind the scenes (they obviously don't want to come out and discuss this openly).  And besides, as the market grows, manipulation is becoming more difficult anyways.

But it's important to note that the great whales do not want bitcoin to crash to the point where it truly damages confidence.  They know they cannot quickly cash out 100,000 BTC and nor do they want to because they believe that bitcoin is the future of money.  

In fact, the more I think about "manipulation" and "whales" the less I see it as manipulation in the first place.  What's wrong with putting up a 1,000 BTC sell wall to try to drop the price?  By doing this you are risking a larger whale eating your wall in a single bite--live by the sword and die by the sword it seems.

In conclusion, the great whales--more often than not--are allies of bitcoin.  

I agree. I'm not sure why "manipulation" is seen as illegitimate. Maybe I should read up on history. Can someone point me to something in history that meant trouble and triggered all the regulation we have in the "regulated" markets?

In my current naive mind, I can see a "manipulation problem" only when "unfair advantages" are being played, like in the case of naked short-selling, for example.


THIS!

in that view, bitcoin is the least manipulated market of its time.

it truly is a free market

if only we could do away with the shitty USD legacy system, and trade Crypto for Crypto in a decentralized fashion, this market with be totally impossible to manipulate
legendary
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I recently learned I am one-degree of separation from a great whale manipulator.  Manipulation is happening.  I also learned that the exchanges realize this and are cracking down on it behind the scenes (they obviously don't want to come out and discuss this openly).  And besides, as the market grows, manipulation is becoming more difficult anyways.

But it's important to note that the great whales do not want bitcoin to crash to the point where it truly damages confidence.  They know they cannot quickly cash out 100,000 BTC and nor do they want to because they believe that bitcoin is the future of money.  

In fact, the more I think about "manipulation" and "whales" the less I see it as manipulation in the first place.  What's wrong with putting up a 1,000 BTC sell wall to try to drop the price?  By doing this you are risking a larger whale eating your wall in a single bite--live by the sword and die by the sword it seems.

In conclusion, the great whales--more often than not--are allies of bitcoin.  

I agree. I'm not sure why "manipulation" is seen as illegitimate. Maybe I should read up on history. Can someone point me to something in history that meant trouble and triggered all the regulation we have in the "regulated" markets?

In my current naive mind, I can see a "manipulation problem" only when "unfair advantages" are being played, like in the case of naked short-selling, for example.


biggest manipulation = regulation :-)
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I recently learned I am one-degree of separation from a great whale manipulator.  Manipulation is happening.  I also learned that the exchanges realize this and are cracking down on it behind the scenes (they obviously don't want to come out and discuss this openly).  And besides, as the market grows, manipulation is becoming more difficult anyways.

But it's important to note that the great whales do not want bitcoin to crash to the point where it truly damages confidence.  They know they cannot quickly cash out 100,000 BTC and nor do they want to because they believe that bitcoin is the future of money.  

In fact, the more I think about "manipulation" and "whales" the less I see it as manipulation in the first place.  What's wrong with putting up a 1,000 BTC sell wall to try to drop the price?  By doing this you are risking a larger whale eating your wall in a single bite--live by the sword and die by the sword it seems.

In conclusion, the great whales--more often than not--are allies of bitcoin.  

I agree. I'm not sure why "manipulation" is seen as illegitimate. Maybe I should read up on history. Can someone point me to something in history that meant trouble and triggered all the regulation we have in the "regulated" markets?

In my current naive mind, I can see a "manipulation problem" only when "unfair advantages" are being played, like in the case of naked short-selling, for example.
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.

if someone buys a Significant amount of bitcoin all within a couple days, will that make the price dip or spike?
I read in another post someone saying that it would cause the price to spike but that doesn't make sense to me. Someone buying a lot would cause the price to spike, that's logical, right?

Depends if someone dumps it in their lap but usually yes - if someone really wants to buy then they will buy upwards!
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.
Who is this guy? Two Bit Idiot?

obvious BS is obvious.
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.

if someone buys a Significant amount of bitcoin all within a couple days, will that make the price dip or spike?
I read in another post someone saying that it would cause the price to spike but that doesn't make sense to me. Someone buying a lot would cause the price to spike, that's logical, right?
hero member
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I thought the deadline was irrelevant as all affected parties had already reacted by now and the current payment methods are not affected.
hero member
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.
Who is this guy? Two Bit Idiot?
sr. member
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Rumour time!

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TIL that a major US hedge fund investor will announce a significant position in #bitcoin within the next several days. Happy New Year!

Source: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/417769054326108160

More details here:

Quote
The investment firm has apparently raised even more money than SecondMarket's Bitcoin Invesment Trust. I'll repost with details and firm names once the full story is pieced together.
legendary
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What is this deadline for, specifically? Wasn't it just for third party payment processors to stop servicing BTC exchanges? Hasn't this already been done?

i would expect the government to put its foot down and really stop CNY deposits of any kind to bitcoin exchanges
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What is this deadline for, specifically? Wasn't it just for third party payment processors to stop servicing BTC exchanges? Hasn't this already been done?
legendary
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ok the china deadline is tomorrow

why is the market not reacting?

Tomorrow? It was the Chinese New Year, not? So, the deadline should be the 30.1.14.

Or I'm wrong?
You are correct.
legendary
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ok the china deadline is tomorrow

why is the market not reacting?

Tomorrow? It was the Chinese New Year, not? So, the deadline should be the 30.1.14.
Yup, it was Chinese new year, so we still have another month to go.
oh the deadline it on the 30th of next month.

shit

i thought it was tomorrow
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