Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 32607. (Read 26610289 times)

Everything you both wrote also describes perfectly the situation here in the UK, where we genuinely do have a continuation of the dreadful Thatcher years.

"...while society sleeps in an uninterested apathetic coma" - That's the same here too unfortunately.  Considering the way this government is deliberately impoverishing everyone whilst blatantly stuffing their pockets it should be enough to cause rioting or even civil war, unfortunately the population is too busy watching Eastenders and Big Brother on TV instead.  So long as nobody's pointing guns at them the British public will happily suck up the propaganda and accept mistreatment from corrupt governments indefinitely.

Anyway, I'll say no more about it because this could easily turn into a several page long rant if I get started.

Where's the ask/bid walls to discuss when I would like to get back on topic?  I haven't seen one for a few days now

There is no way they wanted people to know about prism etc. No way. They're spooks. Spooks keep shit secret. That's an important thing. Why would they let the cat out of the bag for a such a spurious project? Even if they do have bigger stuff that we don't know anything about, which they most likely do, it's still a chump move to let everyone know about stuff as big as this. Once everyone starts tightening their shit up, it hurts their ability to do what they like doing and is their number one reason to exist, which is spying on people. The loss is bigger than the gain.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. Trying to find a shitty conspiracy behind an actual major shit's going down sort of conspiracy just seems a touch excessive.

In these articles you see what might be (for a foreigner) a rotten point of the actual american politicians and probably most modern democracies. The lobbies and the revolving doors..

They care too much (and i mean too much about lobbies and about getting their part of the cake on any issue) more than work for the country

+ In the case of bitcoin they say "the main problem of bitcoin is that it does not have lobbies" -> http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/bitcoins-washington-problem-95803.html?hp=f1
+ Also as a reflection of the "real interests" of these people you see how politico.com points at how big the real interest of politicians might be for bitcoin:

"Bitcoin campaign Donations" where they care a bit too much on how if possible are they going to get money using bitcoins donations
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/bitcoin-campaign-donations-96301.html

and
http://bloom.bg/17JYJPU
Interesting articles from a politician mind. (<---- caution advised !!)


So that was the reason i said that maybe all the NSA stuff is just about some financial/lobby interest and who cares about national interests?

Look, even the russians lobby American politicians

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/09/03/obama-putin-russia-syria-congress/2756801/

All i am talking about it is from the ignorant point of view of a foreigner so take it with caution.

volume on gox will continue to get weaker and weaker....

It might very well be the truth. Just some Sun Tzu "confuse your enemy" thinking. It would give everybody the idea that they need to increase their defenses. But thinking on the possibility that what they know it is not true and its just a bluff maybe they want to do the opposite, that is discourage everyone from even trying to avoid NSA, and stop being diligent on your own security. Most people don't know too much about computer security and even if they do, the revelations show a huge enemy to beat, so they will just surrender and say, "be it", if you use computers, then there is no privacy why i am going to follow those huge security procedures if they are already in, by hardware, at network level (IP v6), by OS, by force, by keylogger, by the very own software you use. Why lose so much time? Many people will think that and abandon themselves to the "maybe truth" that they have just won.

Also there seems to exist indeed an interest in the USA agencies to reduce the people privacy and that is one of the reasons why CIA investing companies invested in google and in facebooks (the second being a declared paradigm of antiprivacy). What was their reaction to Zimmerman PGP, their export limitations for encryption over 128 bits and many more?. They indeed want to know everything like the "Awareness" agency name suggests.

One thing is true, and this is that the computer and internet industry has received a huge kick in their balls. American companies relying on "the cloud" aswell as those relying on "security" (and probably technology manufacturers whose products won't be seen as innocent as have been seen up to now) are being seen now like pure fraud all over the world and they are loosing billions and billions on contracts. Again, some might say "I alrady knew it". I would say, you "suspected something" in the lines of the thousand of rumours around the world everywhere. But with this revelations (if true) show that they are indeed doing it.

So, did they encourage Snowden to go into the air with those documents, hurting hugely their own computer/internet industry trying to follow the path to get everybody into a higher security? Could be.
Maybe, knowing that they already controlled those companies they could have just issued some laws to encourage much more secure policies in facebook, google, etc and those would have been just followed by the users all over the world (like when lately most companies have started relying in 2-step authentication) without destroying or putting in severe risk their whole own IT industry. I think Google, Apple, Yahoo, etc are indeed not happy. They have moved from the colourful letter kindergarten logo (google) to a Stasi machine. Many have abandoned those companies for good.

I think what German officers are trying to do regarding IT security after snowden revelations, might be a good step to follow. Encourage everyone using policies all over the European Union at least not only to increase their software/internet security but do it from the very scratch, designing everything with the highest privacy levels in mind (e.g client based encryption). India is moving apart from US technology, not only they requested to have their own google servers located in their own soil so US law does not apply. They are also asking people to stop using gmail for state storage (Google Apps won't like that). New Zealand and Germany have stopped following software patents aswell (that will help).

So maybe they have managed to get higher security levels but not only in the western world, but all over the world (even China/Russia etc) and also really hitting hard their own IT industry.

24hr volume on Gox under 6,000. lol.

Turbo-ultra-mega-bulls:

I'm interested in your tinfoil hat theories about the laughably low volume on weekends and/or other days when Gox is not crediting accounts with deposited fiat. Specifically, please explain in detail why/how this volume indicates genuine demand to buy bitcoins at these prices.

Thanks in advance.

Err.. maybe that is possible too.

I think the most plausible possibility is that politicians are just stupid/evil and are probably shorting clay to hell with Babylon federal reserve printed salt-money. ;-)
Lately would seem that bank/politician interests are far from the US American ideals of the constitution or just those of 50 years ago. They are knowingly destroying many industries (motor=detroit -> china) just for financial benefit/scam. So that politician linkage with their own country interest seem to be broken lately. You have just to read some politico.com articles to see that something fails.

it would be a good move if Babylon plans on selling hollow stones via sockpuppets.
nobody would see the difference.

it would be a good move if Babylon plans on selling hollow stones via sockpuppets.
nobody would see the difference.

That is entirely possible but if that is the case maybe it has not been a good move (not that technocrats know a shite of what they do).

The actual situation is like if Babylon (with the highest and more powerful walls) would have sent a letter to all the countries around.

"Look everyone, we have a catapult that can destroy every clay wall (that by the way we are the biggest sellers in the world) in 5 minutes"

Everyone (even their enemies) would first stop using clay for their walls, and second they would start using stone making things harder for Babylon catapult

Strange situation.