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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 32752. (Read 26709306 times)

legendary
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In regards to the Fox news story;
When the US Government gets involved and starts regulating BTC to the point it is very hard to get, or it is easier to just use the USD Bitcoin will tank and fast. If the US government wants to shut down BTC they will do it just like they did with the poker sites and stop the flow of money.

What, exactly will they regulate out of existence?

Trade in:
-Bitcoin specifically? That's a nice game of whack-a-mole they'd be setting themselves up for.

-Virtual currencies in general? There are a lot of them, I'd rather not even try to figure out where the unintended consequences of such a move would lead. Say goodbye to your MMOs, for one, if this comes to pass.

The argument I'm trying to make was made much better here:
http://www.finextra.com/Community/fullblog.aspx?blogid=8019

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Regulators can’t have it both ways. Bitcoin is either a currency or it isn’t. If it is, then the SEC can prosecute Shavers as operating a Ponzi scheme, but then trade in that currency is (by precedent) now legal, unless you want to write laws to specifically exclude Bitcoin from trade (or issue sanctions such as those imposed on Iranian Rial). If you outlaw Bitcoin explicitly by name, however, then if the name is changed or someone starts up Bitcoin v2 you have to outlaw the next virtual currency explicitly. Given the time it takes to change laws around this, that cycle could never be ‘won’. So then why not outlaw all virtual currencies?

The problem with that is if you want to outlaw all virtual currencies you have to make the laws broad enough to encompass any new configuration of a virtual currency that might arise. If you make it broad enough to accomplish that goal then you could very well end up inadvertently outlawing all non-local currencies, because at a broad level Bitcoin is indistinguishable from a real-world currency (as Judge Mazzant rightly pointed out). However, you would also make illegal more ‘legitimate’ virtual currencies such as Mint Chip, which is being incubated by the Canadian Mint currently. You’d probably end up making airline miles, zynga coins, and other such variations on the currency theme also illegal.  The upshot is that Bitcoin and all other virtual currencies or pseudo currencies cannot be made broadly illegal simply by virtue of the fact they are virtual, and current laws that define currency as a physical commodity or a financial instrument as written are hopelessly out of date and are essentially aiding the proliferation of Bitcoin.
legendary
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Slowly but surely gox is dying with their incompetent approach to this business...



http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/
Can someone please make a chart like this by total BTC volume exchanged, instead of splitting it into the various currency pairs?
legendary
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simple question for you guys

I know you're all hoping for the bitcoin value to rise, but why would it go up since it's divisible up to 8 decimals (and way more apparently?)

Because there is only a limited  amount of them? Gold is quite divisible as well (theoretically to the AU atoms) but that hasn't stopped it in rising tremendously in the beginning. For the last 100-150 years or so the price is flat (inflation corrected of course) but Bitcoin isn't at that adoption level yet.

Gold does have a divisible limit, Bitcoin does not. You can theoretical have a google (100 zeros) or more behind decimal mark.
The bitcoin price can be anything as long as the majority agrees that it is the right price. If they not agree the market moves accordingly. The concept works perfectly well if it its 1000 or .0001 does not matter.
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What you saying is completely true. I still answered the original question sufficiently and my example is accurate enough since the theoretical divisibility of gold makes it sufficient for this never to have been an issue (the value of AU smaller than a single atom is far too small).
legendary
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legendary
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Cant remember where it was, but someone mentioned a while ago how transactions should reverse a downtrend, and start rising.

30 days.....
http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=true&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=


Can btc transaction data be used as a leading indicator?

Well Bitcoin days destroyed is very low http://blockchain.info/charts/bitcoin-days-destroyed?timespan=1year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=  so it do it isn't the moving of old coins but recent ones. People who bought during the higher prices are dumping?
legendary
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Cant remember where it was, but someone mentioned a while ago how transactions should reverse a downtrend, and start rising.

30 days.....
http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=true&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=


Can btc transaction data be used as a leading indicator?
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legendary
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legendary
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simple question for you guys

I know you're all hoping for the bitcoin value to rise, but why would it go up since it's divisible up to 8 decimals (and way more apparently?)

Because there is only a limited  amount of them? Gold is quite divisible as well (theoretically to the AU atoms) but that hasn't stopped it in rising tremendously in the beginning. For the last 100-150 years or so the price is flat (inflation corrected of course) but Bitcoin isn't at that adoption level yet.
sr. member
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simple question for you guys

I know you're all hoping for the bitcoin value to rise, but why would it go up since it's divisible up to 8 decimals (and way more apparently?)

How is that related to price?
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simple question for you guys

I know you're all hoping for the bitcoin value to rise, but why would it go up since it's divisible up to 8 decimals (and way more apparently?)
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You can buy cocaine for $2000 in Colombia and sell it for 20k in America. Guess why.

Cocaine is addictive; bitcoin is not.

Speak for your self. I personally would try my hardest getting some bitcoin if I suddenly found myself without any.. Wink
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You can buy cocaine for $2000 in Colombia and sell it for 20k in America. Guess why.

Cocaine is addictive; bitcoin is not.
legendary
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Slowly but surely gox is dying with their incompetent approach to this business...



http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/
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Imagine every time someone mentions the dollar and then just has to say that it can be used to buy drugs and other illegal things.
I wish people would get over it. Yes you can buy drugs with Bitcoin. Just like you can with any other currency.
It's such a simple thing to understand. Why can't they?

Not all blacks hanging out for hours in public places are drug dealers either. Wink
It's just that, SR is the vast majority of the market there is no point in denying that.

I highly doubt that.
Maybe a year ago. Now far from.
Far from? So who are all these big name merchants that we're talking about? Are okcupid and wordpress bloating the chain now? Cheesy

It'll be a while before SR isn't the defining characteristic of the bitcoin "economy".

I know you will come up with a bunch of excuses instead of admitting you're wrong.
But whatever.
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-processes-5-million-in-march-eclipses-silk-road/
Keep in mind this is just from one merchant!
Asics aside...
Bitpay is not a merchant. They process payments on behalf of merchants (dumping bitcoins on the market so merchants don't have to touch them). This is why Silk Road eclipses all "bitcoin merchants" who are just accepting USD through Bitpay. Regardless, again, what merchant or marketplace is in the same universe?

SR is really the primary organic source of consumers. For the same reason that no merchants want to touch bitcoins (volatility / exchange risk), holders are generally speculators. Who -- except those who are invested -- is going to jump through hoops to buy bitcoins for the sake of buying a gift card or a dating site subscription? Aside from SR, the entire "economy" is based on fiat currency -- hence the quotes. The article you posted actually proves the point -- everything is priced in dollars, as it should be -- that's all anyone cares about. Just the way "bitcoin merchants" want it. Bitpay simply maintains a flow of speculators taking profits via merchants who denominate their merchandise in USD.
sr. member
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I know you will come up with a bunch of excuses instead of admitting you're wrong.
But whatever.
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-processes-5-million-in-march-eclipses-silk-road/
Keep in mind this is just from one merchant!

There are no excuses needed, just look at the dates. We are talking about consistency here.
ASIC pre-order waves are hardly that.

And funny thing is bitcoin economy is silkroad and asics to generate more bitcoins.
legendary
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I know you will come up with a bunch of excuses instead of admitting you're wrong.
But whatever.
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-processes-5-million-in-march-eclipses-silk-road/
Keep in mind this is just from one merchant!

There are no excuses needed, just look at the dates. We are talking about consistency here.
ASIC pre-order waves are hardly that.
legendary
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