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legendary
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The elevated long leverage mixed with the overhanging ETH locked in 2.0 and the mtgox coins are still keeping this market down.  

I think this is simply trying to provide excuses for current price action. Although I hate to admit it, BTC has been highly correlated to stocks "risk assets" with have fallen dramatically this year.

Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I'm also not seeing much high long leverage right now, but more of a balance:

Longs vs Shorts:. https://www.coinglass.com/LongShortRatio
Liquidiation Data:. https://www.coinglass.com/LiquidationData
Futures: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/data/crypto-markets/futures

If anything, it seems that there is relatively low leverage right now, with futures volume currently at summer 2021 levels for example (<$2b as opposed to >$4b 6 months ago). Many positions already got liquidated earlier in the month, predominantly longs after breaking $30K but many shorts as well after the bounce from $25K level. Most won't want to short in oversold conditions, others don't want to long without confirmation of a low.

As for ETH locked in 2.0, I find it highly irrelevant, many of those longer term investors will eye up the opportunity to rotate back into Bitcoin I imagine, anticipating BTC to recover much faster than any altcoins (which has always been the case so far). While MtGox coins that may be released later this year, or in 2024, sure it could spook some investors, but this has been the case for over a year already. Yawn.

The support at $28K is looking more and more exhausted as it continues to be tested.  I think there's a strong likelihood that the price will retest the recent lows in the $26K range.  Hopefully that will liquidate some of the long leverage and bring the market into a healthier position to begin building support for the next wave of BTC to crash down onto it.

I agree that $28K is looking exhausted, even if bears are losing momentum after 9 weeks of selling. So re-testing $26K does "look" relatively likely at this point. But this can go either way based on current leverage data. Dropping below $28K would liquidate longs and likely re-test mid $20Ks, but moving above $30K-32K would otherwise liquidate shorts, pushing prices back into the mid $30Ks. Even if we are admittedly closer to breaking down than bouncing back to the upside. But I do agree it'd be healthy to build support at such oversold levels if that happens, better to drop asap than later with price no longer oversold.

It's the sort of "coin flip" scenario that unless you are trying to trade a risky break-out in either direction, then you'd likely be better off in both short & long positions with high leverage and simply trade the volatility instead. Given how degenerate the strategy of being both long and short with high enough leverage to make it worthwhile is, I'm not surprised there's low leverage in the market right now, due to lack of oppounrtity.

The on-chain data also suggests that 6-12 month holders who dumped 50% of their bags over the past 6 months are close to running out of Bitcoin to sell. Meanwhile, the 1 year+ holders (in particular 1-2 year holders) seem completely unphased by the drop from $69K. Notably the 6-12 months holders have now either dumped or become 1+ year holders since 6 months ago, even after buying in the mid $30K range. Hence why if not obvious the 6-12 month hodlers have dropped from 20% to 10%, while the 1 year hodlers have risen from 10% to 20%. Half of them dumped, the other half held basically, price dropped in half.

For reference sake, the volume data shows that 1-2 year hodlers predominantly bought at $10K as opposed to $30K or $60K (May 2020 - May 2021). So price will probably need to drop below $20K to shake these strong hands out the market. Returning to $25K or the 200 Week MA likely won't achieve much. After all, most bought BTC post-havling in the $10K-12K range, I imagine for the long-term as well.

https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/hodl-waves/
https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/1-year-hodl-wave/
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I was never much sympathetic to the people who got Goxed, because it was their damnfool fault for storing coins on a centralized exchange.  Even though "not your keys, not your coins" was not yet a meme being stapled to the forehead of every n00b, it was damn obvious from 3-Jan-2009.  Storing money in the custody of a trusted party, who may turn out to be incompetent or malicious - wasn't Bitcoin invented so we could stop doing that?

as i recall peeps at that time when it was obvious they were having problems some folks were deliberately buying coins on mtgox at a discount (they were cheap due to loss on confidence of them being able to withdraw) to try and move to another exchange or their own wallets because of the arbitrage opportunity.

i believe some managed it and got a bit of profit however we all know what happened to the unlucky ones.


It's been so long, but wasn't there a website where you could even trade coins trapped in GOX after they started to shut down?

dunno bout that but peeps were offering to buy peoples mtgox accounts after it was shut down for like 10% (or whatever) of the accounts btc value.

The site was probably www.bitcoinbuilder.com

This thread summarizes BID/ASKS for BTC stuck at MtGox.

Let the trading begin!

...

Edit 2: You can also trade GOX/BTC at  www.bitcoinbuilder.com. Fee is 2% and ID-Verification is needed.

legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
I was never much sympathetic to the people who got Goxed, because it was their damnfool fault for storing coins on a centralized exchange.  Even though "not your keys, not your coins" was not yet a meme being stapled to the forehead of every n00b, it was damn obvious from 3-Jan-2009.  Storing money in the custody of a trusted party, who may turn out to be incompetent or malicious - wasn't Bitcoin invented so we could stop doing that?

as i recall peeps at that time when it was obvious they were having problems some folks were deliberately buying coins on mtgox at a discount (they were cheap due to loss on confidence of them being able to withdraw) to try and move to another exchange or their own wallets because of the arbitrage opportunity.

i believe some managed it and got a bit of profit however we all know what happened to the unlucky ones.


It's been so long, but wasn't there a website where you could even trade coins trapped in GOX after they started to shut down?

dunno bout that but peeps were offering to buy peoples mtgox accounts after it was shut down for like 10% (or whatever) of the accounts btc value.
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In the whole market right now there's no simple place to hide , all the indexes are in the bear market territory, bonds not to represent a safe refuse because they're currency derivatives, stocks have to grow their cash follow faster than the information rate ,
but if zoom out two years since the beginning of the COVID-19, you will see the
US money supply increase 36% ,
Gold is up 7% and
S&P indexes is up 29%
NASDAQ is only up 19%
While Bitcoin is up 229% so if you can stomach the volatility and take the long term view of BTC you've got a safe heaven there


https://youtu.be/AEmsrs4g1dk
legendary
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Gold is clearly a manipulated asset. There is zero possibility that USA money printing wouldn't directly impact gold prices, therefore, Gold is suppressed. Gold price suppression is accomplished with the use of derivatives and fractional reserve sellers. All derivatives and fractional reserves have one purpose only and that is to be a lever for large actors to control the price.

Bitcoin has both derivatives and fractional reserve selling at a massive scale. The exponential growth of Bitcoin was doomed roughly 3 years ago. Yes there may be a 10x again, but only if exchanges fail, pegs fail and the dollar collapses. Bitcoin is now in big-boy territory and the establishment is not going to surrender. Bitcoin's strength of decentralization is also its weakness, there is nothing to stop bad actors from corrupting the entire ecosystem.


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Morgan Stanley's $500 Million Microstrategy Bet a "No-Brainer," According to Expert
https://cryptobriefing.com/morgan-stanley-500-million-microstrategy-bet-expert/

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75 years and counting:
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You can’t beat Japanese to this.

wtf is that monstrosity. This is what makes me lose faith in humanity

this is why btc still is seen by many people as fake money because this is the sort of brain power they have....buying that shit
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Third what others say:  It's likely best to attempt to NOT get emotional regarding what others say about you (especially true on the interwebs), and you gather whatever information (if any) from what they say, but put it into perspective that almost anything people say is going to lack tailoring to both your actual individual financial and psychological circumstances.. even if we might account for some of your representations of those financial and psychological circumstances.  Regarding psychological circumstances, we may also expect that you need to attempt to get a grasp on those matters yourself because there is ONLY so much help that any of us can do in terms of figuring out the balance - so in that regard, there may well be seeming insensitivities towards trying to figure out or to balance your psychological circumstances.. which are surely relevant, yet you are ultimately the judge regarding how to balance those kinds of matters in a way that you believe is fitting for you.

For example, right when I am writing this post, I am a bit preoccupied with another topic in the real world.. so my attention is not very focused, but I am still attempting to respond, and so when I am writing I may well have forgotten what I had already written in previous posts (and in this post), whether I expressed it very well and I might not even be able to remember what you said previously.  Plus the feeling of repetition and not being able to recall if I already said that, and if there might be a better way of saying it... which ultimately leads to some lack of clarity in either what was written or what was meant.

JJG, you think so? Lol

This is why you earned the title "Wordy Man"  Grin
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"Defeat is not the end
of Japan. In the future
we will still be the
strongest nation"
-Emperor Hirohito

75 years and counting:



You can’t beat Japanese to this.
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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bitcoin has to pop up about 1300 to 'escape' the 9th "historical" red weekly candle.
I would drink some red (green?) to it tonight.
There is no green wine, or is there?
Apparently, there is..called Vinho Verde (it is a Portuguese brand).
Maybe I should look for it around here to replace my usual red for tonight or tomorrow.

It looks like $30,265 or higher will make this week's candle green.. and that is about 10.5 hours from the time of this post... Only about $900 - currently... clearly within reach.. Yet? 

I am not sure if it really matters either way.. especially if the BTC price is within a $1k to $2k range of it, no?    But on the other hand, as I type this post I am starting to speculate that if the BTC price were to be $2k to the upside, that would make a difference in terms of making many of us "bag holders" feel MOAR better, no?

The elevated long leverage mixed with the overhanging ETH locked in 2.0 and the mtgox coins are still keeping this market down.  The support at $28K is looking more and more exhausted as it continues to be tested.  I think there's a strong likelihood that the price will retest the recent lows in the $26K range.  Hopefully that will liquidate some of the long leverage and bring the market into a healthier position to begin building support for the next wave of BTC to crash down onto it.

I had been thinking about these leveraged longs recently, and surely they seem to be an obstacle towards the BTC price going up, but I am starting to consider that they still might not be a deal-breaker...   There could be so much money to make in terms of the various fuck twats who are playing the futures game, that the BTC price could end up recking those shorting fuckers prior to recking the longs..   

My point remains that there is no guarantee, even if you are putting so much emphasis upon DOWNity in your various recent posts.. as if it were a certainty.. or as if you were wishing for the predictions in your post to come true.. as if you may well be a bit desperate yourself rather than really attempting to grapple with the ongoing possibility that the price is able to break in either direction, even when it appears stacked to break down, it could well  still end up doing the opposite of what you believe it is going to do. Would that be a first in bitcoinlandia?  or not?
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bitcoin retard
I was never much sympathetic to the people who got Goxed, because it was their damnfool fault for storing coins on a centralized exchange.  Even though "not your keys, not your coins" was not yet a meme being stapled to the forehead of every n00b, it was damn obvious from 3-Jan-2009.  Storing money in the custody of a trusted party, who may turn out to be incompetent or malicious - wasn't Bitcoin invented so we could stop doing that?

as i recall peeps at that time when it was obvious they were having problems some folks were deliberately buying coins on mtgox at a discount (they were cheap due to loss on confidence of them being able to withdraw) to try and move to another exchange or their own wallets because of the arbitrage opportunity.

i believe some managed it and got a bit of profit however we all know what happened to the unlucky ones.



It's been so long, but wasn't there a website where you could even trade coins trapped in GOX after they started to shut down?

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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I am glad to hear that other experienced people have gone through the same thing your drop was worse I think that proves how stupid I am. I'm not trying to worry it's just the natural reaction I have I know bitcoin will recover, I know there's to much potential to waste but its that voice in my head telling me you did wrong and then seeing the news and the price just cements that in my head. I was very confident when I bought this BTC it was definitely the most confident I have been in my life. I think this topic will help me when I need to be told I am being stupid just look at the replies to my 1st post  many people tell me I'm stupid and they have faith to the end. I have invested a lot of my wealth but that is still a small number when you look at other people in this topic and they are not worried so why should I?

I am still having some difficulties with the ways that you are phrasing some of this.  I also feel that I am starting to get a wee bit overly repetitive...Some repetition is expected.

First, level of confidence. I doubt that many of us consider bitcoin's UPwards price performance as any kind of guarantee that it will happen.. even if we have decently high levels of confidence that bitcoin is amongst the bests of asymmetric bets to the upside.

Second how others feel.  I doubt that the gist of the message would be that other people think that you are dumb, but there likely is some concerns regarding how you had been expressing your level of confidence in such a way that you were considering yourself to have had entered bitcoin at a good price.. which for sure, seems to be a correct consideration (that you in fact had entered BTC at an already good price).. but even if you entered at a great place, you should not have expected that you would have been (or should have been) guaranteed to ONLY get upside.. but still you had made a good entry, even if the BTC price ended up coming back down to prices that were lower than your entry point... so in some sense, others might be considering that you are ONLY whining for the sake of whining be cause you made a pretty good entry point, and even that your entry point and way of playing the whole matter, so far is much better than what they had done.. so there would be frustration regarding why you should be complaining about such a thing..

Third what others say:  It's likely best to attempt to NOT get emotional regarding what others say about you (especially true on the interwebs), and you gather whatever information (if any) from what they say, but put it into perspective that almost anything people say is going to lack tailoring to both your actual individual financial and psychological circumstances.. even if we might account for some of your representations of those financial and psychological circumstances.  Regarding psychological circumstances, we may also expect that you need to attempt to get a grasp on those matters yourself because there is ONLY so much help that any of us can do in terms of figuring out the balance - so in that regard, there may well be seeming insensitivities towards trying to figure out or to balance your psychological circumstances.. which are surely relevant, yet you are ultimately the judge regarding how to balance those kinds of matters in a way that you believe is fitting for you.

For example, right when I am writing this post, I am a bit preoccupied with another topic in the real world.. so my attention is not very focused, but I am still attempting to respond, and so when I am writing I may well have forgotten what I had already written in previous posts (and in this post), whether I expressed it very well and I might not even be able to remember what you said previously.  Plus the feeling of repetition and not being able to recall if I already said that, and if there might be a better way of saying it... which ultimately leads to some lack of clarity in either what was written or what was meant.
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Do you wake up some days and think 'I am very lucky to existent when Bitcoin does'? I do not care about what the news are saying about this drop.....bubble...bubble.....blah blah blah they always say that then go quiet when proven wrong. 
No I wake up feeling unlucky because of our money system being so broken that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Bitcoin would be amazing if it was already our money system but we are too far off for that atm
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~snip~
If you are making some pizzas then i would suggest you to submit your entry here although not have checked if you have already done so but if not then do it by today only as last day and have some prizes if your pizzas are well topped and liked by others and have some fun also.


WoooooW its been a long time

But finally seeing my fam once again

Me+LFC @Paris
Love it

Go go Liverpool



The tattooed bitcoiners and renowned one of the WO thread proving they are bro's in actual life also.The liverpool played well but in the end it's game but you must have enjoyed your time there Wink
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Do you wake up some days and think 'I am very lucky to existent when Bitcoin does'? I do not care about what the news are saying about this drop.....bubble...bubble.....blah blah blah they always say that then go quiet when proven wrong. 
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