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 3.125 btc --------2024
 1.5625 btc ------ 2028
 0.78125 btc ----- 2032
 0.390625 btc----- 2036
 0.1953125 btc --- 2040
 0.09765625 btc -- 2044
 0.038828125 btc - 2048 7  ½ ings away. I will be 91 and likely not care too much


So, am I the only one who noticed the typo? Didn't this happen before? Is it a copy and paste?

If you mean the 2048 rate being .0488 rather than .0388, then no. I noticed it but just assumed I didn't know shit about fuck so I let it go. Being a Newbie I can still get away with "I dunno..." and just wait for the answer.
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 3.125 btc --------2024
 1.5625 btc ------ 2028
 0.78125 btc ----- 2032
 0.390625 btc----- 2036
 0.1953125 btc --- 2040
 0.09765625 btc -- 2044
 0.038828125 btc - 2048 7  ½ ings away. I will be 91 and likely not care too much


So, am I the only one who noticed the typo? Didn't this happen before? Is it a copy and paste?

For some reason the ipad auto correct altered too to two.

I will way this I got to write a grammatically correct sentence with too to two , two times in a row!

Thanks.
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#Bitcoin is a one-way street
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#Bitcoin is on a journey from zero to zero. It was worthless in the beginning, and it will have no fiat value in the end.

https://twitter.com/dergigi/status/1518553872834379778?s=21

Ostensibly true. The question is whether that will be due to the complete abandonment of fiat or the heat death of the universe.
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 3.125 btc --------2024
 1.5625 btc ------ 2028
 0.78125 btc ----- 2032
 0.390625 btc----- 2036
 0.1953125 btc --- 2040
 0.09765625 btc -- 2044
 0.038828125 btc - 2048 7  ½ ings away. I will be 91 and likely not care too much


So, am I the only one who noticed the typo? Didn't this happen before? Is it a copy and paste?
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'The right to privacy matters'


😀.  Hey maybe I make it to 2048 and I will get to talk about this thread and how I was a stupid fuck to think LN is bad for BTC.
Here's to hoping you are.  I will also be past my expected expire date.  So let's hope we get to argue about who was right over a smooth glass of rum.

That sounds like a deal to me if we make it to 2048.

I rather see Btc at 5,000,000 and doge gone. If would be worth it.

I have to ask the person that served it to me. It was very smooth 151 proof.

I usually go for whisky,bourbon,or vodka.
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#Bitcoin is a one-way street
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#Bitcoin is on a journey from zero to zero. It was worthless in the beginning, and it will have no fiat value in the end.

https://twitter.com/dergigi/status/1518553872834379778?s=21
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😀.  Hey maybe I make it to 2048 and I will get to talk about this thread and how I was a stupid fuck to think LN is bad for BTC.
Here's to hoping you are.  I will also be past my expected expire date.  So let's hope we get to argue about who was right over a smooth glass of rum.

This is the best rum I ever had.



Which one was your favorite?
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😀.  Hey maybe I make it to 2048 and I will get to talk about this thread and how I was a stupid fuck to think LN is bad for BTC.
Here's to hoping you are.  I will also be past my expected expire date.  So let's hope we get to argue about who was right over a smooth glass of rum.
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But Elon will very likely be in action in 2048. So my guess is he is hedging with those two coins for years two come.


Quite possible… now I wonder if this guy was working on it all along, you can expect any thing from this dude.


https://twitter.com/redletterdave/status/1518585718012059648?s=21
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LN may kill BTC and mining in 7-8  more ½ ings

This statement always boggles me.

LN may indeed begin to pay it's nodes more than a miner will make from the SUBSIDY.  But LN nodes along with every other form of L2+ will have to eventually settle on the chain.  And very large transactions will settle on chain.

Current Subsidy = 6.25BTC = $250,000
Number of transactions in a full block ~ 2500 (This may improve, but lets assume it does not)
Fee per base chain transaction to equal current block reward = 0.0025BTC = $100

Will fees be able to support the above?  Of course they will!  And the system will drive the technology of wasting the ABSOLUTE LEAST amount of base chain space possible,  Profitable businesses that use the base layer will consolidate as many meaningful transactions into a single BTC movement as they can.  And if not?  They will pay the going rate anyway.

Those numbers up there?  Pretty solid! But let do some math with the butt pencil.

Let's say the lightning network starts doing 1 million transactions a second worldwide at a SINGLE SAT per transaction (basically the worst case scenario for note operators).  Every second a million Sats would be charged for transactions on the network.  That means that in 100 seconds a WHOLE BITCOIN worth of fees would have been payed to the nodes.  And in the space of the average bitcoin block (600sec/100sec) we would see SIX bitcoins of fees be paid.

Then those nodes will have to compete for block space to settle on the base chain.  So a certain percentage of that earned income will go DIRECTLY TO THE MINERS.  And conveniently our butt pencil math has us at pretty much the current block reward!  6BTC/block.  And if we only pass half of that to the miners then they will make basically the amount of bitcoin they will earn after the next halving in fees!

Like I said these are not real numbers.  And the lightning network will not be the only source for competition for space on the base chain.  But i can most certainly imagine a world in which the miners would never want to go back to a paltry 6.25BTC Subsidy.

But cAPSLOCK now only the banks can transact on the base chain!!!

Nope.  That is wrong.  ANYONE can.  Anyone willing to pay the fees.  Or anyone with a miner willing to include their transaction in a block regardless of fees.  But in a free market the payment has to come from SOMEWHERE.  And it has to be fees eventually.  But did you ever think that miners might include their own transactions for nothing?  Think about that for a moment.  You own a huge mining farm, AND you have a lot of LN payment processors.  Next block you find?  The first 400 transactions are all yours. Wink

And those fees will have to go up by two methods.  Value, or quantity.  Or both.  Either we increase the number of transaction a block can hold, or we increase the amount each transaction pays.  Or both.  And that balance will also be determined by the huge sea of nodes that validate transactions.  As tech gets stronger and the blockchain can remain decentralized but add blockspace?  We might just see increases to the block size.  But if not we will certainly see increases to the fees.

The lightning network will not kill mining.  And it might just end up being the biggest customer.

As I said I will be 91 in 2048 and very likely not care if LN hurts or helps Btc

also I likely will not care if doge survives or crashes by 2048.

But Elon will very likely be in action in 2048. So my guess is he is hedging with those two coins for years two come.

But what do I Know According to JJG not much.

😀.  Hey maybe I make it to 2048 and I will get to talk about this thread and how I was a stupid fuck to think LN is bad for BTC.
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BTC and LN may have killed mining when blocks are:

 3.125 btc --------2024
 1.5625 btc ------ 2028
 0.78125 btc ----- 2032
 0.390625 btc----- 2036
 0.1953125 btc --- 2040
 0.09765625 btc -- 2044
 0.038828125 btc - 2048 7  ½ ings away. I will be 91 and likely not care too much

But I think Elon has enough wealth to hedge.  which is what he is doing.

Oh gawd......

Is it even possible that both you and Elon are goofy and delirious as fuck in the same synchronized direction to not understand bitcoin.. and have dumb ideas even though both of you should know better?  What a strange world it is.

Say it is not so.  Wake me up, at some point.


This guy is man of his words philipma1957.

I was looking for another discussion but found this one.

So after a 3.08% jump does mining look better?

   Some More reasons  mining can become profitable:

 super mining centers may be  a victim of terror , earthquake, fire, flooding.

Too many eggs in a basket run big losses.

We all should remember what happened when WD hdd plant flooded.

Or right now as I type Israel and Gaza are tossing missiles back and forth.

God forbid one drops into the sp30 plant.

Or the next Tsunami hits and floods something in china.

Concentration of large power sucking btc mines is asking for a plant to be destroyed one way or another.

some big mines here at this link are all in 1 spot. 

http://blockchain.info/pools

there is a solo address with 5%

another solo address with 4%

 a third solo address with 1%


this trend will lead to a crash and burn of a big plant  it is just the way things work.

To say BTC mining will never be profitable is silly. 

To say BTC mining may be hard to make a profit is better.

But if you are in position like right now (next jump is 10 or more days) and coins jump overnight to 1200usd  you make a ton of money in the next 10 days or so.

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LN may kill BTC and mining in 7-8  more ½ ings

This statement always boggles me.

LN may indeed begin to pay it's nodes more than a miner will make from the SUBSIDY.  But LN nodes along with every other form of L2+ will have to eventually settle on the chain.  And very large transactions will settle on chain.

Current Subsidy = 6.25BTC = $250,000
Number of transactions in a full block ~ 2500 (This may improve, but lets assume it does not)
Fee per base chain transaction to equal current block reward = 0.0025BTC = $100

Will fees be able to support the above?  Of course they will!  And the system will drive the technology of wasting the ABSOLUTE LEAST amount of base chain space possible,  Profitable businesses that use the base layer will consolidate as many meaningful transactions into a single BTC movement as they can.  And if not?  They will pay the going rate anyway.

Those numbers up there?  Pretty solid! But let do some math with the butt pencil.

Let's say the lightning network starts doing 1 million transactions a second worldwide at a SINGLE SAT per transaction (basically the worst case scenario for note operators).  Every second a million Sats would be charged for transactions on the network.  That means that in 100 seconds a WHOLE BITCOIN worth of fees would have been payed to the nodes.  And in the space of the average bitcoin block (600sec/100sec) we would see SIX bitcoins of fees be paid.

Then those nodes will have to compete for block space to settle on the base chain.  So a certain percentage of that earned income will go DIRECTLY TO THE MINERS.  And conveniently our butt pencil math has us at pretty much the current block reward!  6BTC/block.  And if we only pass half of that to the miners then they will make basically the amount of bitcoin they will earn after the next halving in fees!

Like I said these are not real numbers.  And the lightning network will not be the only source for competition for space on the base chain.  But i can most certainly imagine a world in which the miners would never want to go back to a paltry 6.25BTC Subsidy.

But cAPSLOCK now only the banks can transact on the base chain!!!

Nope.  That is wrong.  ANYONE can.  Anyone willing to pay the fees.  Or anyone with a miner willing to include their transaction in a block regardless of fees.  But in a free market the payment has to come from SOMEWHERE.  And it has to be fees eventually.  But did you ever think that miners might include their own transactions for nothing?  Think about that for a moment.  You own a huge mining farm, AND you have a lot of LN payment processors.  Next block you find?  The first 400 transactions are all yours. Wink

And those fees will have to go up by two methods.  Value, or quantity.  Or both.  Either we increase the number of transaction a block can hold, or we increase the amount each transaction pays.  Or both.  And that balance will also be determined by the huge sea of nodes that validate transactions.  As tech gets stronger and the blockchain can remain decentralized but add blockspace?  We might just see increases to the block size.  But if not we will certainly see increases to the fees.

The lightning network will not kill mining.  And it might just end up being the biggest customer.
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I think Elon Sees the same dual path that I see.

BTC = 10000 Dollar T-Bill

Doge = Lesser denomination.

LN may kill BTC and mining in 7-8  more ½ ings

BTW doge has ever decreasing inflation

and has solved the reward issue for miners.

BTC and LN may have killed mining when blocks are:

 3.125 btc --------2024
 1.5625 btc ------ 2028
 0.78125 btc ----- 2032
 0.390625 btc----- 2036
 0.1953125 btc --- 2040
 0.09765625 btc -- 2044
 0.038828125 btc - 2048 7  ½ ings away. I will be 91 and likely not care too much

But I think Elon has enough wealth to hedge.  which is what he is doing.

Oh gawd......

Is it even possible that both you and Elon are goofy and delirious as fuck in the same synchronized direction to not understand bitcoin.. and have dumb ideas even though both of you should know better?  What a strange world it is.

Say it is not so.  Wake me up, at some point.

the evening wall report


Bitcoin up today 2.5% on strong volume after seeing over a 6% swing early in the session

overhead resistance at $41.25kish on the daily and support rising towards $39.4kish

the scent of a breeze on the air

steady as she goes


dyor

seems as if you were talking a lot of doom and gloom just a day or two ago, and the tide seems to be shifting, slowly but surly...
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the evening wall report


Bitcoin up today 2.5% on strong volume after seeing over a 6% swing early in the session

overhead resistance at $41.25kish on the daily and support rising towards $39.4kish

the scent of a breeze on the air

steady as she goes


dyor

4h


D

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Bitcoin Bottom was at $15.4k
Sup, how are you peeps?

Bitcoin is trading at $40k. I saw news that COVID is spreading again in China, can affect the market.
Also, Elon buying Twitter is total shit show. He is going to ask people do KYC to get a verification mark on Twitter (won't be like the White Verified Tick though)

And, Fuck Dogecoin.
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