I am not really against your sentiment wagmi... beat on shitcoins whenever and wherever possible.. when in doubt bash a shitcoin; however, I find it problematic to proclaim bitcoin to be 100% detached from shitcoins.,. especially since bitcoin likely increasingly touches all segments of society and the various markets, including that a large number of shitcoin's admittedly hitch their wagons to bitcoin.
Yes!
I really try to be fair because we need to research properly about Altcoins before calling an Altcoin as Shitcoin.
Maybe I am contradicting myself, but i like to call them a shitcoin first before giving any benefit of the doubt.
In other words, shitcoins do not deserve any benefit of the doubt - especially if they have a token and they are not building or pegging to bitcoin... what is the need for a token? They have the burden to 'splain their lil selfies before they receive any kind of benefit of the doubt from this here cat.
I'm also not anti-science. I'm for a science-based research and hearing expert's opinions.
And when we start researching Altcoins, we can find out, also when we are hearing expert's opinions about Altcoins: Altcoins are very often very fraudulent, based on hype and based on marketing buzzwords but providing little to no value. Altcoin salesmen are even misleading interested people by talking to much positivity into an Altcoin.
I cannot disagree with any of this.
We should be fair towards Altcoins, yes!
Even if you are "technically" correct, I doubt that being "fair" is the right word choice. There have been too many shitcoins using their shit for shitty reasons.. so it seems to me that they are starting from a deficit by starting such a project and better fucking explain what is the purpose exactly.. .. so yeah in the end we may well be being "fair" but at the same time, lots of crap has been going on in various aspects of shitcoins, so I don't find any reason to first attribute guilt by association and let them dig their lil selfies out of the hole.. if they can. That would be fair within our current context of shitcoin proliferation.. and the clear case for building on bitcoin.
But we should also be honest and reveal hard criticism based on FACTS.
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Sure... no problem with that.
About Bitcoin being detached from Shitcoins, we have pro and con argumentes, see below, but technically, we need to say Bitcoin is 100% independent.
I am not going to say it.
You can say it if you like, and maybe I will react in the future or maybe just let it slide.. .. ?
From an economic perspective, you are right,
well, whether we call it economic or social integration or just muddled thoughts of people.
We can tell people to think different, and I don't really have any problem with that, but we should not be ignoring the reality that there is already a bunch of intertwined shit that already exists... so what's the problem? perhaps my problem is the mixing the ought with the is... I don't tend to be comfortable with any descriptions of reality that seem to get the ought mixed up too much with the is...
we have pro and con arguments, even if it's hard to make a quantitative assessment based on it.
Ok.
however, I find it problematic to proclaim bitcoin to be 100% detached from shitcoins.,. especially since bitcoin likely increasingly touches all segments of society and the various markets, including that a large number of shitcoin's admittedly hitch their wagons to bitcoin.
Your point is very valid, and it's hard to make a quantitative assessment based on it.
But also, it is important to say, an appropriate market reaction would be if Terra Luna crashes, to make Bitcoin's price rise!
Because why?
Because Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD holders will flee out of Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD and will buy OFCOURSE
BTC.
So, a crash of Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD
should create more demand for Bitcoin and send
BTC's price up!
At leat it would be a totally normal market mechanism and we should support it.
We are not going to necessarily know the short-term fall out one direction or another with the various relationships between shitcoins and bitcoin, and surely sometimes such topics might be somewhat relevant in this thread.... as long as we do not devolve into too much shitcoin discussion that ends up getting us too far off topic...
but yeah sometimes we might make assessments regarding where bitcoin's price is at, how we got here and where we might be going that is partially based on some discussions of what's going on in shitcoinlandia... If we get too focused on talking about shitcoinlandia, then guys (and gal) here are likely going to get frustrated with bringing that kind of shitcoin talk to this thread.. even if it might be somewhat relevant, many of us ONLY have so much tolerance for such deviance that might draw us into shitcoin comparisons rather than focusing on king daddy and appreciating matters from the reality that king daddy is leading this shit - and let's try mostly to keep our eyes on the prize if we can continue to muster such.
But instead, people are selling all sorts of coins because of FEAR. Also Bitcoin and Bitcoin isn't responsible and more important, Bitcoin is technically 100% independent.
It needs A LOT more education for people and we, as HODLers, should definitely advocate for it.
What else is new?
It's not like the first time that we end up seeing all kinds of misinformation out in the real world, and we talk about those various kinds of dynamics on a regular basis in this thread.. there is the 80/20 Pareto distribution rule too.. you know about that, right?
Sure the Pareto distribution might not always apply exactly, but we are not necessarily going to expect that the masses know what is going on or even that our educational efforts will lead to changes in the 80/20 rule, and I am not even suggesting not to do anything because each of us can play our own part in terms of attempting to spread good information, and you can start your own media company too that is focused on bitcoinmaximalism education..and sure, maybe you will make a difference to get more people educated about bitcoin and better able to understand the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins and to realize that many times shitcoin promoters (who seem to have way more money to spend on those kinds of promotions) are ongoingly actively engaged in ways to naysay bitcoin and to promote their own shit.
Seems to me that quite a few of the shitcoiner promoters got bailed out of Luna/Terra/Do Kwon prior to the vast majority of retail, and sometimes we might be thinking that justice came from the crashing of that shit, but instead some of the bigger players got bailed out and will justice get served to them.. probably not.. but still does not hurt for some folks to be still calling for some of their heads. Furthermore the fall out can end up having all kinds of impacts on bitcoin, and could even cause bitcoin to pump (but I doubt it), even when we cannot really know the impacts of so many possible causal mechanisms in advance - even though we might still know that bitcoin has a certain kind of power that goes beyond some of the impacts that various users whether they be shitcoiners or other wise intertwining bitcoin into systems that they have and might implode or even pump.
Shitcoiners are just profiteering off of Bitcoin by linking Bitcoin and Altcoins.
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Exactly. You admit it.
It was my point, it was not about admitting it.
Shitcoiners are known for a certain degree of shenanigans.
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ok.. we agree.. even if you don't want to admit it... or go along with my rhetorical framing(s).
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I meant everyone who is advocating for a strong
BTC.
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We, all HODLers.
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Well go forth and multiply, then ... . if you must..
I might join later if it looks like you are making progress including if there might be lambos, hookers and blow involved..
not necessarily in that order.