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Something tells me January is going to be a good month, and most of 2022 even better, until then price might stagnate a bit. Likewise if the year closes below $48K support, price might be in trouble.

Regarding your point about January and 2022 overall.  It could be that January will be good, but hard to really say how far into 2022 that "good" is going to play out.

Yes very true, it might not be most. I was expecting at least Q1 to see upside, but now anticipating Q1-Q2 for upside personally. Q3/Q4 could well be a write off, depending on how Q1-Q2 goes.

I imagine that when you say "most of 2022," you are suggesting that BTC prices may well be getting into new ATHs and continuing to have some UPpity price pressures.. and maybe even having some kind of a top in 2022 that is reasonably higher than our already existing top of $69k.. and maybe even having a decent amount of sustainability that is meaningfully higher than $69k.. whether that ends up playing out as a blow off top (which you seem to be less inclined towards suggesting to be in the near-term bitcoin cards) or some other kinds of BTC price moves that at least bring us into the 6 digits..

Yeh pretty much... Most (if not all) of 2022 could easily remain above $69K for example, even if the latter half is a downtrend back to this level. Still think that $69K will be the market low for 2023.
I'm coming back around to the blow-off top scenario now given the on-chain metrics playing out. That and the amount of leverage in the market that's 10/100x more than in 2017.

Personally, I am considering that at some point there is going to be some kind of a blow-off top that is likely to be greater than 3x from where we are currently, and surely why not something like a 5x to 8x or greater blow off top, since we seemed to have had so much decent consolidation since our 6.5x rise from September 2020.. to the extent that we might able to consider that September 2020 price arena as a kind of base starting out point.

5x-8x possible, somewhere between $350K to $550K? Sounds unreasonable to most, but I wouldn't rule it out if it's heading in that direction... I do however remain more conservative for a blow-off top, based on the % increases per cycle reducing, so roughly based on these decreased gains it'd put a target around $200K-300K roughly. That said, this is only based on an extrapolation from three previous blow off tops, so isn't exactly an ideal extrapolation by any means, Otherwise, $100K-150K for no blow-off top, simply reaching the logarithmic growth upper band and reversing.

Regarding your mentioning of closing of the year and $48k as a potential pivot point, I hardly find that kind of pivot point as being significant whatsoever.. Surely, we ONLY have a bit more than 4 days left in the year (depending on timezone).  Maybe we should attempt to figure out some kind of a timezone that is universally acceptable.. ... UTC seems to be good since so many charting services seem to use it for the closing of the candles, right?.  

Yes UTC is universal for charts, regardless of your timezone, so best to stick to what most people are looking at. Closing the year below $48K on Friday would likely lead to another close below the 50 Week MA which would more or less confirm the recent bounce back to $51K as a dead cat, rather than a recovery. Still a few days to go for the weekly candle to end up with a nice bull wick though.

Better to be correcting lower earlier in the week than later that's for sure. More time to bounce back.

Anyhow, I recognize that sometimes some of us repeat ourselves, including yours truly, but I still hardly see any price moves as significant between $42k and $62k.. especially if we are anywhere somewhat in the middle of that... so yeah if we start to get within a few thousand of $42k or $62k then we are getting to the outside of the range that I consider that currently we are in...

While true, I think enough investors pay close attention to yearly closes. Macro investors will consider the monthly, quarterly, bi-annual and yearly close as quite relevant. This is also very logical, as the monthly chart is more important than the weekly/daily in the macro-sense, so naturally the quarterly/bi-annual closes becomes more relevant than the monthly. The yearly chart still doesn't tell us much however.

I'm not suggesting that closing the year below $48K would leave to sub $40K, but would likely be a catalyst for some sub $46K prices to return, like $44K and $42K I imagine.

so maybe I might thereby assert that getting below $45k or above $58k starts to become important to consider that we might be within reach of going outside of our current range... and sure maybe in that sense I am trying to remain somewhat less inclined towards creating frameworks for my lil selfie to get excited about what seems to be shorter term possible price moves or fear factoring that might happen within what I conceive of our current $42k to $62k price range.  In other words.. maybe wake me up when we get close to breaking out on either side, otherwise movements within the range are largely noise to me, even if I might get a wee bit more excited if there is a relatively BIG move within the range.. that ends up almost getting close to one end of the range or another...

Not going to argue with you there, there is a lot of noise between those ranges you mentioned, and until price convincingly leaves these ranges, then it's still relatively noisy. Reminds me of $30K-40K range to be honest, I largely switched for those 3 months as the market became very boring. I guess for those who bought the dip, waiting to buy the dip, waiting for a deeper dip, then the yearly close could act decisively for enough people to get out of current dip positions and re-target some lower prices that would influence short-term price action. Just a theory for now though. Until $48K is actually broken, then there's no reason for me to consider that the year will close below this level. For now $49K appears to be acting as support, as I previously suspected, while $51K acts as short-term resistance.
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EDIT: This made me think...how does everyone feel about explaining crypto to newcomers nowadays? Or participating in crypto discussions in general?

I am quite burned out on this. Back when I got into BTC I gave literal lectures to audiences about it. I would talk with anyone interested, sometimes for hours. But today? I feel like I've heard it all before one too many times. Replying to the media-driven FUD du jour. Hearing the same tired objections for the 1000x. Seeing the gargantuan chasm in understanding that even well-educated and smart people have to cross to get from normie-brain to Bitcoin understanding. I rarely engage with any of this anymore. Thinking there are enough resources to help you understand. In the end, everyone buys BTC at the price they deserve to.

It would be difficult to engage in such discussions with newcomers today. The MSM has done such a mindjob on people in general, and put so much false FUD out there, that it would be difficult to overcome that.

I do find interesting this idea of "false" FUD.  Upon reflection, it might not be a superflous expression, even though before seeing it written like that, I was kind of already reading the concept of "false" into the concept of FUD... but I suppose that there really is true FUD and false FUD that is out there, and the false FUD would surely be worse than the true FUD.

By the way Torque, your seeming to get so excited about this whole matter comes off as a wee bit of an exaggeration - as if the FUD these days is worse than historical FUD and blah blah blah.

There has always been FUD, so the mere fact that more people are into bitcoin and shitcoins and whatever, probably only justifies that some aspects of the FUD has to become stronger in order to attempt to lure HODLers out of their bitcoin, and even conceding that point, even if their might be some truth to the worsening of FUD, it still is likely turning into a BIG ASS so what?.. We likely have way more HODLers with way more conviction to HODL their coins, so it takes way more drama to try to shake the trees and to get some coins as a result of such shakenings... Still... a big so what, seems to me.  If peeps gonna get shaken from their coins, so be it.  Let it happen.  Not going to shake us longer term HODLers, no?  We already have developed some stubbornness in our bitcoin portfolio management and our largely HODL practice (or at least terms upon which we continue to HODL).

The other problem is that no one is interested in bitcoin unless they've already started to have doubts about the existing financial system status quo.

Is that really a problem?

I remember in the old days there were so many people proclaiming that bitcoin is not going to grow unless we have mass adoption. blah blah blah.. and suggesting that mass adoption and better advertising of bitcoin and more convincing of the masses is necessary in order to get bitcoin to be successful... and seems that you Torque are making some kind of similar argument in terms our needing to convince more normies to get into bitcoin, and still seems like a BIG so what to me.  If they don't get it, let them suffer until they figure it out.  It is not like we are not sharing information with them and some of them are merely just not seeing it.. so whether they jump on board in the $49k price arena or they wait until the $149k price arena, or some other price point, that's there choice.  Sure they would be better off to get into bitcoin sooner rather than later, but we cannot really rush them in terms of when they are going to see the light, no?

No one new is interested unless they're looking to invest in things beyond a mere 401k or IRA. And lastly, hardly anyone new is interested in bitcoin unless they believe that they can get-rich-quick.

You are generalizing a lot.

So in a room of 20 people, this literally might only be one person. The other 19 people with sit there and scoff, laugh, call it a scam, and bring up all the FUD.

What else is new?

So let's expand that out to a room of 2,000.., and so you are saying that currently there are maybe 100 of those who are genuinely interested in bitcoin.

Maybe in 2014, we had 10 people interested in such room of 2,000, and in 2017 it became 30, and so after March of 2020.. we may have gotten more people who are genuinely interested in bitcoin.  These matters seem to take time.

I no longer believe that you as a person find Bitcoin; I believe that Bitcoin finds you.

Fair enough, and maybe there is some hope in your post in terms of this not necessarily being a lost cause... sooner or later normies are going to meet up with bitcoin, even if it may well have been staring them in the face way longer than they would have liked to have admitted.



Just because another forum member agrees with you, including your nonsense discussion of a shitcoin in these here parts, that does not mean anything about whether you are not crazy.. #justsaying.

You very frequently infer things that I do not mean.  I am not using a forum member's agreement with me as evidence of anything.  I am just saying that he basically understood what I was trying to hypothecate. 

AND on top of that, I am not even saying I think the discussed theory will happen.  In fact, I HOPE not.  I just see it as a future reality with a non-zero chance of happening...

Fair enough.

I stand by my earlier points.. whatever they may have happened to have been.

 Tongue Tongue
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Everybody getting frustrated on seeing $50-$51k ladder race like going up and then sliding down between these two numbers and asked CB to do something

Every BTC holder to CB : Cmon do something

CB : Let's print $49k

Everybody : F*uck don't do that  Grin

A pump for ants was also taking us away even if slowly also but CB once again playing games with us Angry


But if we have some looks at the charts there are some indications to some pumps coming this new year eve so atleast be patient to see if that's right or not.


Waiting for some heavy pumps and wait till that time and stacking sats.
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On-chain analysis mixed with common sense and a little bit of intelligence and market insight.



He keeps an eye on the derivatives market and the implication for spot prices:





The harsh reality is that we are approaching a gargantuan option expiry on Dec 31:



Looks like max pain is at 48K, a price it has been targeted in the last few hours, and given funding dynamics, cannot rule out touching again.









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Some one quoted his tweet and rightly said.

Proof of Work > Proof of Stake
#bitcoin


and I like the idea and thought of this..


https://twitter.com/KlausLovgreen/status/1475424989629272065?s=20
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A nice read.

Summary: 21 BTC.

Ok  21 BTC is enough.

Are you saying right now that 21 BTC is enough or that 21 BTC is enough in a kind of maintenance level way?

I have some kind of a projection systems that I use that show the number of BTC that I currently have and then I project out the quantity of BTC that I expect to have in the future as the BTC price goes up, and so hypothetically, if I were to start out with 21BTC now, based on my current way of projecting out, I would anticipate if BTC prices were to shoot up to $1.2 million, then I might only have around 18.4BTC... so sure that is a possible ratio that still works...

However, I suppose that if you were to want to end up with 21 BTC by the time the BTC price reaches $1.2 million, then you would need something like 24BTC currently.  

Those are just approximate withdrawal ratios that I currently have in my BTC price projections and BTC portfolio expectations in the event such a BTC price rise up to $1.2 million were to happen.

$1.2 million? Per coin? That would surely make 21 BTC a fuck-you amount of corn, won't it? Even 2.1 BTC could be called that, albeit borderline and more risky.

I remember reading about that idea of being "one in a million" by acquiring 21 BTC. That was at a time when it was relatively easy to reach that level of corn HoDLship. Now, this is way more difficult, and, surely, it's going to be even more difficult in the near future (with some BTFD periods in between, that might ease things a bit, with the current one being one of them). Anyway, I find the "one in a million" target to be a bit silly, and more about semantics, rather than substance. "One in a million?" So what? I don't care if I'm one in a million of anything, as long as I can do what I need, want, desire to do, and also contribute to something that will help the world at large.

To answer your question, I guess it heavily depends on where and how one lives, and what his/her goals are. In a western European country, for example, I'd say that 21 BTC is currently good enough as a safety net that enables the HoDLer to be more direct in using the F-word in his interactions with persons of authority, such as bosses, banks, governments, even family members, etc., but it's still a bit less that what I'd consider true fuck-you status. In 2022-2023, that will most probably change, to the point when 21 BTC gives you true fuck-you rights for most things. I'm not talking about lakes and ranches, these require triple digits at the very least (currently, that is), but I never personally felt the need to own such types of property.

In short, it all depends on the individual, as each one of us is different. I do, however, feel that 21 BTC is a good amount of corn that enables one to reside in the upper floors of the Bitcoin citadel, as pictured beautifully below.


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[...]



How about 20 unbalanced deficit budgets in a row

year..loss..............

2002 $158 billion.....
2003 $378 billion
2004 $413 billion
2005 $318
2006 $248
2007 $161
2008 $459

2009 $1,413
2010 $1,294
2011   $1,300
2012   $1,087
2013   $680
2014   $485
2015   $438
2016   $585

2017   $665
2018   $779
2019   $984
2020   $3,100

2021   $3,000


Year after year after  more and more in the hole. No end to this in site.


Source was here
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

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LOOK AT THEM TRILLIONS READY TO BE SPENT ON BITCOIN !!!

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Why bitcoin is worse than a Madoff-style Ponzi scheme
A Ponzi scheme is a zero-sum enterprise. But bitcoin is a negative-sum phenomenon that you can’t even pursue a claim against, argues Robert McCauley.

https://archive.fo/acY5H

An opinion, while a strange one, i'd summarize the article.
What stands out is this:

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And the operators take away a large portion of the money.

Who should resemble the "operators" of the "ponzi scheme", Bitcoin is accused as in the scope of the article?
Early adopters?
Miners?

While in the fiat scheme, the "operators" do not take away anything. Amirite?


in the other "ponzi", who do i "pursue a claim against" for giving me 0.001% on my savings account and brrr-ing 40% of currency in 1-2 years?
a rhetorical question.

How about 20 unbalanced deficit budgets in a row

year..loss..............

2002 $158 billion.....
2003 $378 billion
2004 $413 billion
2005 $318
2006 $248
2007 $161
2008 $459

2009 $1,413
2010 $1,294
2011   $1,300
2012   $1,087
2013   $680
2014   $485
2015   $438
2016   $585

2017   $665
2018   $779
2019   $984
2020   $3,100

2021   $3,000


Year after year after  more and more in the hole. No end to this in site.


Source was here
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
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Ugh. Not this shit again   Roll Eyes
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