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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
I don't get the new NFT thing.

It's a digital certificate that says, "I own thing X". You can then sell/transfer that digital certificate to someone else.

For the NFT use case of which you speak, I think of it as a digital autograph.  In the physical world, a famous author may sign 100 copies of a book that has a print run of 10,000,000; and those special copies may command a hefty price.  A movie star may autograph a photo of himself.  And so forth...  N.b. that in all such cases, the scarcity is more or less artificial insofar as the marginal cost of autographing an inexpensive item is negligible.

Everybody understands how that works.  Some people buy such things, some don’t—but everybody understands the concept.

The problem with these April Fools’ fNFTs is that they are a SCAM.  Many of these fNFTs are not originally issued or authorized by the party whose name is associated with them.  For example, there is at this time a Satoshi fNFT; and there are currently two different Last of the V8s fNFTs for sale, even though V8s has been inactive since November.  Obviously, you are not obtaining any sort of “autograph” from those persons...  Real NFT sites have similar problems with fraudulent offerings.  Fortunately, the scam here only reaps fake BTC which, I presume, will disappear altogether at midnight UTC.

More generally, NFTs have many other use cases.  For example, I think using NFTs to track real estate titles would be a great improvement over the current means of doing such things.  If it were so, then when you bought a house, you would receive a blockchain transaction representing legal ownership of your house—just as today you receive a paper deed.  The title could be passed on to another party in another tx, with a digital signature from your private key.  Not your keys, not your house!  For Bitcoiners, the concept should be easy to understand.


NFT using 'blockchain' and 'crypto tokens' is a big red flag for me...

Simple electronic signature would solve their authentication 'problem'. It's legally recognised and well regulated.

Assuming that 'problem' even exists, which I doubt, because there would be thousand startups in that space by now.

Not so.  Simple digital signatures do not solve the problem of atomically, transactionally passing a value from one party to another, with a transaction ordering that prevents double-spends (double-transfers).  Satoshi invented the blockchain as we know it for the purpose of solving these problems; he applied the solution to currency, but it can also be otherwise applied.

If you have a simple digital signature on a deed passing ownership of a house, how do you prove:

  • The time at which the deed was signed?  (To at least the accuracy and precision represented by a blockheight.)
  • That person making the signature did not first sign another deed transferring the house to another person?

Furthermore:  How do you create an immutable record of the deed and its conveyance from one party to another—with an audit trail that can neither be forged, nor be altered after the fact?

Blockchains also provide a framework for helping to solve one of the biggest problems with digital signature systems such as PGP:  Associating an identity with a key.  (Obviously, blockchains do not magically solve this problem all by themselves...)

In short, the blockchain performs for a cryptographic digital signature many of the same functions for which pen-and-ink signatures require a system involving a notary public, a government recording clerk, etc.

Note:  Legal terminology of “electronic signatures” is mostly insecure nonsense.  Many jurisdictions accept as an “electronic signature” a form submission that has no cryptographic authentication whatsoever.  Above, I refer to digital signatures in the cryptographic sense—which may or may not have any special status, depending on jurisdiction.  Even a cryptographically secure digital signature does not in itself solve the problems that I have briefly sketched in the foregoing (or others I have not mentioned).

Obviously, laws and legal systems will need some time to catch up to the point where blockchains can be used to keep chains of title for real estate, etc.
legendary
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A Bitcoiner chooses. A slave obeys.
I don't get the new NFT thing.

It's a digital certificate that says, "I own thing X". You can then sell/transfer that digital certificate to someone else.

Are NFTs even seen legally recognised by the government as legitimate contracts of ownership? Do I get the copyrights too? It seems to me that NFTs will only ever be collectibles without intrinsic value as soon as the first NFT case loses in court.

NFT using 'blockchain' and 'crypto tokens' is a big red flag for me...

Simple electronic signature would solve their authentication 'problem'. It's legally recognised and well regulated.

Assuming that 'problem' even exists, which I doubt, because there would be thousand startups in that space by now.


exactly. NFTS are just the new scam ICOs.


Edit: I am now selling my own, very very valuable fNFT. Moon guaranteed.
legendary
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We choose to go to the moon
NFT using 'blockchain' and 'crypto tokens' is a big red flag for me...

Simple electronic signature would solve their authentication 'problem'. It's legally recognised and well regulated.

Assuming that 'problem' even exists, which I doubt, because there would be thousand startups in that space by now.
legendary
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I don't get the new NFT thing.

It's a digital certificate that says, "I own thing X". You can then sell/transfer that digital certificate to someone else.
legendary
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Never selling
This high 50s area is getting tedious. And no Bitcoin, I don't want you to go down to break the tedium. Pump! damn it!

We should be mid 60s right now.
legendary
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I don't get the new NFT thing.

This is actually a great chance to learn. I suppose its more geared toward the economics of the market, but its not an entirely inaccurate depiction of how it works.
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legendary
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A Bitcoiner chooses. A slave obeys.
I don't get the new NFT thing.
legendary
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Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

EDIT: I try to collect the most worthless fNFT's. So far i got Bossian, who else can you recommend? Still, DOGE worked, so...  Grin

I am trying to pump and dump my tokens... I will buy back any other token of who’s buying mine....

EDIT: I was trying to buy Back my Fillippone-II token and all I got is this random rand1919-I  token nobody wants. Any Whale here wanting to help me getting rid of that?
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Dumping all by BTC bags and converting to XRP.

See you later, losers.

Absolutely.
I need cash to buy a NFT.
Selling my bitcoins to Ride the pump in XRP.


FTFY  Cool
XRP: From shitcoin to hitcoin?  Cheesy


I smell wallstreetbets like shit... are you guys short squeezing XRP?
hero member
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Space Lord
Good morning WO!
Observing the 60k wall...

Might just avoid the Internet today though.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Dumping all by BTC bags and converting to XRP.

See you later, losers.

Absolutely.
I need cash to buy a NFT.
Selling my bitcoins to Ride the pump in XRP.

Don’t judge me. But my chart have spoken: alt season is upon us.
I am ready to convert back to King BTC once I am poor again in par.

I can’t see what can go wrong.

FTFY  Cool
XRP: From shitcoin to hitcoin?  Cheesy

Good morning WOers!

Out of all the days of the year (in which I've been working from home almost exclusively), it just so happens that I must physically go to work TODAY! Damn.

Corn is doing fine I see. So, off I go, and I'll catch you guys ('n' gal) again online in about 8 hours. <--- Corn @ $60k+ by then!

There is some beauty starting to unfold in the chart. Apr 02-03, i'd say if someone yells "call it" at me?
legendary
Activity: 2380
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Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23
Dumping all by BTC bags and converting to XRP.

See you later, losers.

Absolutely.
I need cash to buy a NFT.
Selling my bitcoins to Ride the pump in XRP.

Don’t judge me. But my chart have spoken: alt season is upon us.
I am ready to convert back to King BTC once I am again in par.

I can’t see what can go wrong.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Dumping all by BTC bags and converting to XRP.

See you later, losers.
* OutOfMemory opening XRP-BTC chart on Bitstamp.
* OutOfMemory shaking his head
* OutOfMemory shaking his head again

EDIT: I try to collect the most worthless fNFT's. So far i got Bossian, who else can you recommend? Still, DOGE worked, so...  Grin
legendary
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Neighborhood Shenanigans Dispenser
Dumping all by BTC bags and converting to XRP.

See you later, losers.
legendary
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We choose to go to the moon
Been thinking about selling the equation in my avatar ... how do I collect royalties if someone invents something incredibly lucrative using it?

You'd need to fix the last bracket, otherwise no respected equation connoisseur will buy it.
legendary
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born once atheist
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Hi sirazimuth use this without background... looks more awesome
......

Ah yes, more awesome indeed my friend. I've actually been meaning to sort that out for awhile and you saved me the trouble. Much obliged. (outta merits mate, sorry, have a "smerit" on me... wtf that is)
Oh wait a minute..... is that NFT'ed  yet?  
I'll let my one with the background go for .5 btc. That's a frikkin NFT steal baby. (well when I'm six feet under anyway....)



I have been intending to inquire about that equation.  Not for any economic reason, but for a spiritual reason—for the coin of curiosity.  I want to know what it is.  Either I am showing my ignorance, or you have shown some subtlety.  Either way, it has been driving me crazy for a long time.


It actually means "the mass of the ass"  + "the heat of the meat" = "the angle of dangle"

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, professor. 

GO BITCOIN   

   

(1/4/2021 Wink )


copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Been thinking about selling the equation in my avatar ... how do I collect royalties if someone invents something incredibly lucrative using it?

I have been intending to inquire about that equation.  Not for any economic reason, but for a spiritual reason—for the coin of curiosity.  I want to know what it is.  Either I am showing my ignorance, or you have shown some subtlety.  Either way, it has been driving me crazy for a long time.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Been thinking about selling the equation in my avatar ... how do I collect royalties if someone invents something incredibly lucrative using it?

NFTs now part of Bitcointalk guys...   

Many forum users have invested a lot of time into the forum, so why not turn this time-equity into tradeable commodities? You can now trade forum NFTs (fNFTs):
https://bitcointalk.org/fnft.php

We are using a state-of-the-art blockless-blockchain-database to avoid any annoying fees or wait times. Everything is done using a convenient Web interface. We have also automatically detected how many bitcoins you have to trade with, so no need to worry about deposits or withdrawals.
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A few points about your proposal:

1) That would be a pretty crazy rule to likely stifle creativity (and likely contributions, too).. It probably would cost more than it benefits, especially when there are easier solutions, such as ignore, skim and perhaps other solutions too.

2) Your proposal does seem to presume that there is a cost to long posts that outweigh their benefits.

3) relatively speaking, you are a pretty (not in a cute way) newbie in these here parts to be making such broad and sweeping proposals - and sure anyone does have rights to make any kinds of stupid-ass proposals to his/her likenings, and perhaps you are making such proposals in jest or a kind of provoking kind of funzies (trolling?), way.  perhaps?  perhaps?  

Of course I'm newbie in bitcointalk and bitcoin community overall... and I accept this and no offense to the mighty seniors.

Btw I do enjoy your and nullius post and I spare time to read your long posts.

Any way it wasn't a proposal but...





..infofront, please lock; it is over.
Is this "stupid-ass" proposal too?
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