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legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
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1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

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1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin

..but if you comparejavascript:void(0); strings you have to use quotes Smiley

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"1 BTC" == "1 BTC"

Put this way,

"1 BTC" = "1 BTC"

would just raise an error, right?



Well I guess a variable of "1 BTC" could recursively store itself and then lead to an "OutOfMemory" situation. Smiley

hmm, i doubt so. It's an (anonymous) string literal, which should be read-only (const).
But i got the joke and i like it Cheesy Cheesy
Are there "named variables" in this manner in any language you are aware of?
There are quite some freaky languages out there, like the famous INTERCAL
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
Quote
1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin

..but if you compare strings you have to use quotes Smiley

Quote
"1 BTC" == "1 BTC"

Put this way,

"1 BTC" = "1 BTC"

would just raise an error, right?



Well I guess a variable of "1 BTC" could recursively store itself and then lead to an "OutOfMemory" situation. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 3439
Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Quote
1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin

..but if you compare strings you have to use quotes Smiley

Quote
"1 BTC" == "1 BTC"

Put this way,

"1 BTC" = "1 BTC"

would just raise an error, right?

legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 3439
Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Computing Pi beyond 40 digits is pointless except as an academic exercise. Any phone today can compute pi to 100 digits even with inefficient programming.

The most distant spacecraft from Earth is Voyager 1. It's about 12.5 billion miles away. NASA only needs 15 decimal digits of pi to have an error margin of 1.5 inches at that distance.

If we used 40 digits of pi, you could calculate the circumference of the entire known or visible universe. About 46 billion light-years. To an accuracy equal to the diameter of a hydrogen atom.

There is no need for 1 million digits of pi, or waste 100 days to calculate trillions of digits.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/news/2016/3/16/how-many-decimals-of-pi-do-we-really-need/

I think I just printed pi on one of my school paper notebooks or something to 50 digits and used that as the cover. 3.1415xxxxxx ... heh.

What's the value of Pi?

Mathematician - 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481
Physicist - 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716
Engineer - about 3 something


Engineers use a minimum of 3 significant digits as a rule.

Dude, you just ruined a mathematician's joke  Cheesy
legendary
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Quote
1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin

..but if you compare strings you have to use quotes Smiley

Quote
"1 BTC" == "1 BTC"
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
Computing Pi beyond 40 digits is pointless except as an academic exercise. Any phone today can compute pi to 100 digits even with inefficient programming.

The most distant spacecraft from Earth is Voyager 1. It's about 12.5 billion miles away. NASA only needs 15 decimal digits of pi to have an error margin of 1.5 inches at that distance.

If we used 40 digits of pi, you could calculate the circumference of the entire known or visible universe. About 46 billion light-years. To an accuracy equal to the diameter of a hydrogen atom.

There is no need for 1 million digits of pi, or waste 100 days to calculate trillions of digits.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/news/2016/3/16/how-many-decimals-of-pi-do-we-really-need/

I think I just printed pi on one of my school paper notebooks or something to 50 digits and used that as the cover. 3.1415xxxxxx ... heh.

What's the value of Pi?

Mathematician - 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481
Physicist - 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716
Engineer - about 3 something


Engineers use a minimum of 3 significant digits as a rule.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
@Biodom: I prefer conversations on the web to be non personal, objective, non insulting and/or funny/entertaining.
I don't get much out of flaming, at least it's sometimes entertaining my lil selfie  Grin

While i tend to "interfere" in discussions quite often, why would i judge such behaviour in someone else?
That wouldn't make much sense, would it?

However, i'm an outside spectator in the ongoing conversation between Bob, you and JJG, so i can't answer your question because i like to stay neutral.
Overall, my point of view in general is: Everybody can do/act as he pleases, as long as nobody gets harmed in any way. Like "respectful anarchy".

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1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin


+1 WOsMerit
legendary
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Quote
1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?

technically the first statement is not a boolean.

but the second statement is TRUE .  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1708
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Because some of us are still used to 2017 pump levels. I made that mistake, too.
But JJG got me straight again  Wink

What are "we" saying now then?

Are we in like mid-2017 ish price levels, where we might have a decently large pullback before continuing up in a kind of blow-off top?

Or might we end up in more of a kind of 2013 double top performance where we might be somewhere in the first price bubble (whether it has peaked or not might be another question), and then our pullback would be longer than the one(s) that happened after August 2017.

I keep getting the sense that the top of this particular bubble could end up dragging into 1st quarter or 2nd quarter of 2022.. but surely there is a whole hell of a time between now and then, so it is difficult to suggest how this bubble could get there - so maybe in the end, those folks who have been more reliant on the four year fractal for providing their guidance end up being correct and we just get another cycle that ends up playing itself out in the last quarter of 2021.. I still don't know how that happens either and could reasonably result in tops that range anywhere in the $150k territory to even up to $1.5 million.. and yeah no one finds this helpful to have such a broad range and the higher end of the range does come off as a bit over-the-top in terms of probabilities, especially to be able to reach it by the end of the year (which then causes me to consider that if the top ends up being even close to that $1.5million high for this cycle, then it just seems more reasonable that the cycle could take a wee bit longer to play out).

Surely, difficult to speak with any kind of confidence without coming off as a wee bit of a kook.. but at the same time, I have hardly any sense of financial expectations that any of the UPpity BTC price performances need to play out to make me feel MOAR better financially.. even though psychologically there could be some good feelings in regards to pointing at the no coiners who had continued to fail/refuse to take any kinds of meaningful actions to acquire some corns in case they catch on.. and BTC prices going up to the upper end of the range - even $500k to $1.5k would surely be quite validating (just in case some of us don't already feel validated enough.. .I was even feeling pretty validated in the $10k to $20k range.. so, there is that angle, too)


Alright, but "we" learned that BTC historic chart moves/prices can't simply be mapped onto the future.
While a $1k dump/pump thrilled the shit out of me in 2017, it's just a "meh" occurrence nowadays, but relatively speaking, a -$1k move in Q1 of 2017 would be like about a -$5k move in the todays. If expressed in percent, the same price movements would "feel" bigger in absolute values, maybe you remember our little discussion about this, some weeks or months ago.
Even relatively spoken, $500k is plausible, because it would be under 900% move up from current price, which we "know" BTC does like to do, post halvening.
That is what we used to know. With the s-curve hypothesis, the nearing liquidity crisis and big institutional money flowing in for the long haul, it is clearly possible that there will be no -80% two year lasting bear market in the next years. As the time goes on, your mappings of a peak in Q1/2 2022 could even turn into a plateau, followed by further plateaus, gradually decreasing by height and increasing in duration, what would result in said s-curve.
I like the idea, and i would be happy to observe this, and it's not only unrealistic to happen, because we didn't have it yet. Honey badger will surprise (most of) us, and hopefully not in proudhon's favour. The end of cycles as we know them, followed by "steps".
I realized i have to look back to 2017 like early adopters looked back at 2013 in 2017, but there's still no right way to look forward.

EDIT: Just checked the price ($56.6xx) and like that i'm "in the money" while i bought a bit too high today. I could also have waited for that second dip, what seems quite a regular thing following significant dumps, lately. IDC. I got more sats, that's all that counts. May i quote nullly:

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1 BTC = 1 BTC

or is it

Quote
1 BTC == 1 BTC
?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
LOL the jokes write themselves Cheesy

https://twitter.com/michaelmiraflor/status/1371424970593562631

NFTs getting hacked and stolen

Probable false flag for TPTB to create laws on immutability.
legendary
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Computing Pi beyond 40 digits is pointless except as an academic exercise. Any phone today can compute pi to 100 digits even with inefficient programming.

The most distant spacecraft from Earth is Voyager 1. It's about 12.5 billion miles away. NASA only needs 15 decimal digits of pi to have an error margin of 1.5 inches at that distance.

If we used 40 digits of pi, you could calculate the circumference of the entire known or visible universe. About 46 billion light-years. To an accuracy equal to the diameter of a hydrogen atom.

There is no need for 1 million digits of pi, or waste 100 days to calculate trillions of digits.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/news/2016/3/16/how-many-decimals-of-pi-do-we-really-need/

I think I just printed pi on one of my school paper notebooks or something to 50 digits and used that as the cover. 3.1415xxxxxx ... heh.

As a mostly layman when it comes to maths (and sciences) funzies, could it be that one of the goals of continuing to attempt to calculate pi to further digits is to see if there might be a zero in there somewhere (I mean a last digit)? - and then we know how many actual digits pi has, rather than what seems to be an infinite number of digits without a last digit.  


Can't be down if you never had anything to sell

That's true.. there are quite a few peeps in the world who think like that in regards to bitcoin.. they are kind of in a state of detachment..

0-5% to me for the idea to make a nft out of it....

Actually 0% sounds good in regards to this part of your proposal.

 Tongue Tongue Tongue


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Semi-serious proposal:

Hat master (or someone else) should make a collage of WO hats, arranged in artistic manner (maybe this could be decided from several options) and post it on some NFT platform for some ridiculous $ price (no less than $100K starting, maybe more), which will be probably matched when btc hits 100K or 250K or 1000K. Time is on our side.
Some credit should also go to three other notable contributors:
1. The one who first arranged hats in a linear (square) fashion (I am so sorry, I can't remember who it was and no time to check multiple pages back)
2. The one who arranged them all on a train-that was funny.
3. the hats as a meme suggester.

75% to the hat master, 10%-linear arrangement and compilation dude, 5% to the train idea dude, 5% to whoever first started talking about hats as a meme (was it el_duderino?), 5% to the WO 100K party fund (or 500K fund).
Numbers could be debated:
0-5% to me for the idea to make a nft out of it....jk
 Grin



Actually some kind of NFT hat artworks could be a cool project ....

Hopefully in another thread if it degenerates into a money-making NFT scammening scheme..

From my humble bumble opinion: ain't nobody got time for dat shit in this here thread..

That said, the  "200MA Multiple" is certainly a useful metric.

But how do you feel about the whole thing?   Wink

Inquiring minds want to know how you feel.

 Tongue Tongue Tongue
legendary
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How do you determine that the Bitcoin price is not overvalued?

I tend to look at various (long term) indicators which may give guidance on this point.

https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-mvrv-ratio/#:~:text=MVRV%20is%20simply%20the%20ratio,spotting%20market%20tops%20and%20bottoms.
https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-nvt-price/
https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-vwap-ratio/
https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-price-models/

The Mayer Multiple is also a good one.

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mayer-multiple/
https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-mayer-multiple/

But in the end it's also about your own gut feeling. A simple rule could be: when in ultra bull market phase, think about selling some if price doubles again within 3 weeks.

No worries, were not in 'ultra bull market phase' yet.

Great charts... But fuck Trace Mayer.

Sorry... and it is obviously well known here that I am not exactly a "Saif Maxi".  But there is a big difference between thinking there might be one or two interesting crypto assets in the unicorn land (I think 1) and shilling a premined shitcoin with slips of paper at a bitcoin conference by using your reputation.

I just want to continue to make sure that reputation remains ruined.

That said, the  "200MA Multiple" is certainly a useful metric.

Fuck Trace.
legendary
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How do you determine that the Bitcoin price is not overvalued?

Just take a look at the book from any exchange. On the one side are people who think Bitcoin is overvalued and want to buy it for less than the current market price, on the other are people who think Bitcoin is undervalued and want to sell it for more than the market price.

So the real question is what is the value to *you*? No one else can answer that for you (though many will attempt to try).

I'd think the phycological .01=$1000 or 100k price might stick for a moment.
legendary
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https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1371237471296585731?s=21

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Game theory 101: the first central bank to print fiat to buy #bitcoin for itself will win.


Just waiting for the day  Grin


Or, as history shows, will see a lot of Nimitz class aircraft carriers suddenly moving in its direction. But first one needs to take one for the team, then critical mass will follow, but we're few years from that

I seriously doubt it if China, Russia or EU do it.
Then again, if it is a country which starts with "I" and ends with "n" or another cough-NK-cough, then, sure, it's quite possible.

EU has the brrrrr printer, China is oppressing its citizens and fighting the capital outflow, Russia has the most to gain but anything that can be perceived as challenging current status quo would be fought against, so don't see any of them willingly accepting BTC anytime soon. It has to start with a small nation dipping their toe in first, floods always start with a drip first
legendary
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Semi-serious proposal:

Hat master (or someone else) should make a collage of WO hats, arranged in artistic manner (maybe this could be decided from several options) and post it on some NFT platform for some ridiculous $ price (no less than $100K starting, maybe more), which will be probably matched when btc hits 100K or 250K or 1000K. Time is on our side.
Some credit should also go to three other notable contributors:
1. The one who first arranged hats in a linear (square) fashion (I am so sorry, I can't remember who it was and no time to check multiple pages back)
2. The one who arranged them all on a train-that was funny.
3. the hats as a meme suggester.

75% to the hat master, 10%-linear arrangement and compilation dude, 5% to the train idea dude, 5% to whoever first started talking about hats as a meme (was it el_duderino?), 5% to the WO 100K party fund (or 500K fund).
Numbers could be debated:
0-5% to me for the idea to make a nft out of it....jk
 Grin



Actually some kind of NFT hat artworks could be a cool project ....
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Need to finish this week over 70k or I'll probably have to give up my silly dream of home ownership. It's annoying because I have to move out of my apartment either way at the end of May and would rather not move twice but I guess it's not in the cards.


Oh gawd!!!!!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

funny (or do I mean strange?) how some peeps who had supposedly been into bitcoin for a while (of course shitcoins too) have figure out how to take the more complicated paths in life that cause them to become poor or to stay poor even in a bitcoin bull market that could have easily-peasily brought them 5x to 6x returns with pretty damned straight forward HODLing strategies in the past 6 months-ish.

In case you have wondered what a weak-hand's face looks like, while seeing a 5% dip:



It requires the highest level stupidity to make a loss on the eve of one of the most memorable bull runs in Bitcoin history. HFSP

hahahahaha... Ivomm already said it.. earlier.   Wink

LOL the jokes write themselves Cheesy

https://twitter.com/michaelmiraflor/status/1371424970593562631

NFTs getting hacked and stolen

Who would'uve thunk?  There might be some scams related to NFTs.

Go figure.   Shocked Shocked
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