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legendary
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Neighborhood Shenanigans Dispenser
Not to mention the hypocrisy and double standard that has soared into the stratosphere.

The hypocrisy, on both sides, is so absolutely distasteful in the most personally-selfish way, that it sickens me.

EDIT: Speaking of personally-selfish, back to degenerate dip-buying. Got some more powder loaded on Gemini, but not looking to target anything at these current ~$34.2k levels. If we dip back to $33k it's game-on, but mostly in a wait-and-see position right now.
EDIT2: OK, saw us dipping back down to $33.7k. Placed dip orders for $250 @ $33.5k and another $250 @ $33k. Gotta run out and deal with more vet stuff with one of our kitties.
legendary
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I can't do it.

I can't post explicit yaoi.

I'm trying to view everything through the lens of a calm, right-of-center constitutionalist, on a rational level. Not through either clinical democratic or republican lenses, tainted by current events.

We're hurdling towards communism and people are cheering it on.

I'm just really sad waking and catching up on the last couple pages.


Not to mention the hypocrisy and double standard that has soared into the stratosphere.

legendary
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Notice the massive fake head-and-shoulder pattern that these whales are trying to paint...  Roll Eyes

Nailed it.
full member
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Meanwhile, new bear attack. Looking forward reading what the experts think of all this.

I may be wrong but, I think this looks like normal market movement.  

I had done some TA last night and assumed an overly strong rebound after the dip followed by another short dip before leveling off.  I'm assuming we will see some short up and down in the 33k to 36k range before leveling off and moving upward again.

I've been wrong before though.

*Edit - all of my buy orders have executed except one at $32.5 that was set to make me feel better if we dropped below my TA.

Filled at $32.5k...
legendary
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BTC or BUST
I can't do it.

I can't post explicit yaoi.

I'm trying to view everything through the lens of a calm, right-of-center constitutionalist, on a rational level. Not through either clinical democratic or republican lenses, tainted by current events.

We're hurdling towards communism and people are cheering it on.

I'm just really sad waking and catching up on the last couple pages.


Very sad to see.. Especially among “hardcore” bitcoiners..

We should be against every last tiny thing any government does, other than get smaller..


Wonder if y’all would be all for traditional monetary services like visa and PayPal shutting down services to sites such as theDonald.win and 4chan, leaving them to bitcoin only, as was done to Wikileaks..

You guys still even support Wikileaks?

Y’all think 4chan, 8kun, TD, etc should be blacklisted by ISPs?
legendary
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精神分析的爸
I do not really get this discussion about censorship. I don't see any censorship here, I see (rather large) companies exercising their contractual freedom in highly centralized environment. I'll admit that these times there is a narrowly defined narrative what is the right thing to say and think and often companies trying to avoid customer unhappiness in form of a shitstorm tend to follow that narrative to please their customer/user base.

But since you are basically unheard/invisible if you're not on Twitter (anymore) it is a form of censorship nonetheless nowadays. It is somehow ironic how many BTC-enthusiasts actually use Twitter and not something like mastodon. Decentralization does not only fix the monetary system, it would also fix social networks and energy production etc.. Email for example is decentralized, gmail might kick you, but then you can use hotmail (or go straight to protonmail if you're one of the brighter candles on the cake) or even register your own domain and run it from your living room on a rpi.

If Amazon decides not to deal anymore with Parler, that is fine by me. If Jack Dorsey thinks the orange nutjob is not worth the trouble anymore, that's his decision. People unhappy with that or missing the wisdom of Donnie should vote with their feet/d and use another company for their needs.
What keeps them from running their own infrastructure? Mind you, that was actually the thought behind the internet, being decentralized and everybody being able to run a service on their own computers.

One addition to the above, I might have left the impression that you and I are customers of Twitter or Parler or Facebook, that is not what I meant. We are in fact a supplier, we deliver the product that Facebook sells to advertisers, governments and aliens (basically everbody who pays for it). In turn we are paid for our generous delivery (you'd be astonished what the data about you - your data is worth to them) with "free" services that we can use. This bargain seems obviously too good for most of us to take care and take things into our own hands (i.e. using open standards like Jabber) and run our own services or use easily exchangeable small service providers that offer that to us for a small fee.


Anything that is removed, is by definition, censorship, whatever the motivation for removing it. Even if there are 100 twitters, if the industry as a whole deletes posts of a certain type, it has the same effect as mass censorship.

To ensure we remain a free society, censorship must be fought whatever the form. Even if that form is the profit seeking of media companies.

There is just too much temptation for political corruption and manipulation of opinions by deciding what gets removed and what remains. Only laws should determine that because laws are voted on by our representatives and can't as easily be manipulated as an employee making a biased decision about a post.


I beg to differ. I generally agree about censorship being bad and to fight it wherever possible.
Censorship in my definition is if LE forces your registrar to withdraw your DNS server delegation so that you basically disappear from the intertubes.

Though I believe that everything already is prone to fail when we made companies provide platforms for formation of opinion in the general public (that is insane in the first place).
Twitter is for fun at most, not more. If your business or your free speech depends on having access to Twitter (or whatever service) there is so much that has gone wrong before that. Companies can and should not be expected to be just good for the sake of it, where necessary they should be regulated but otherwise they are just expected to be greedy and profit driven, which is fine as this makes money to live for everybody.

What I am trying to say is that if democracy needs to rely on one or more huge companies to play nice and fair - we're essentially FUBAR'd. Contractual freedom needs no fixing, the infrastructure we rely on for formation of opinion does need a lot of fixing though.

I am aware that the large players like Facebook, Twitter etc. would like to see themselves positioned as communication providers instead of content providers, so that they can say "look, we're like ATT, we don't know what people are talking about over our channels and it's essentially their own business". I disagree with that, they have a website where they publish content to earn money, much like a newspaper or blog etc. and they should be held legally responsible for what is posted there.


If Amazon decides not to deal anymore with Parler, that is fine by me.

What keeps them from running their own infrastructure?

Mind you, not only Amazon kicked them off their infrastructure, but at the same time Apple and Google removed their mobile app.
Feels very centralized and coordinated.


That's what I am saying (even I didn't mention mobile market). Decentralization would for example mean that everybody can write software ('an app') for your mobile and publish it on their own website to install with a click. Being so heavily dependent from the goodwill of one single company is something I could never accept and therefor I never had and will never have any sort of smartphone.
member
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Tulsi Gabbard (D) is someone that everyone could have rallied around . She is all about common sense.

In this interview she tells how there are very few moderates left in the Democratic party. She is awesome. Have a listen to what she says about the corruption in DC.

Ex-Congresswoman Exposes the Reality of the DNC & Govt. | Tulsi Gabbard | POLITICS | Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3j3RSxMSEg

Right.  I was thinking she would help the left swallow the jagged pill of Trump in office the next 4 years by her being the vice-president (replacing Pence).    They will need something to keep their heads from exploding when he removes the Biden admin.  

legendary
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This is not OK.
The FBI has made a public statement that there is no evidence the Antifa were part of the Trump riot.  They should know as they have already arrested over 93 rioters.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-chaos/?sh=1a52d8726379

Damn communist organisation FBI protecting it's left-wing comrades!

careful, p-shep. some might not catch the sarcasm.  Cheesy

Shut up! Even manatees support Trump!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55631498
full member
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Meanwhile, new bear attack. Looking forward reading what the experts think of all this.

I may be wrong but, I think this looks like normal market movement.  

I had done some TA last night and assumed an overly strong rebound after the dip followed by another short dip before leveling off.  I'm assuming we will see some short up and down in the 33k to 36k range before leveling off and moving upward again.

I've been wrong before though.

*Edit - all of my buy orders have executed except one at $32.5 that was set to make me feel better if we dropped below my TA.
legendary
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The FBI has made a public statement that there is no evidence the Antifa were part of the Trump riot.  They should know as they have already arrested over 93 rioters.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-chaos/?sh=1a52d8726379

Damn communist organisation FBI protecting it's left-wing comrades!

careful, p-shep. some might not catch the sarcasm.  Cheesy
legendary
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Neighborhood Shenanigans Dispenser
I can't do it.

I can't post explicit yaoi.

I'm trying to view everything through the lens of a calm, right-of-center constitutionalist, on a rational level. Not through either clinical democratic or republican lenses, tainted by current events.

We're hurdling towards communism and people are cheering it on.

I'm just really sad waking and catching up on the last couple pages.
legendary
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Merit: 2617
Far, Far, Far Right Thug
If Amazon decides not to deal anymore with Parler, that is fine by me.

What keeps them from running their own infrastructure?

Mind you, not only Amazon kicked them off their infrastructure, but at the same time Apple and Google removed their mobile app.
Feels very centralized and coordinated.


Because they are cowards they only make big moves like that in unison.

The Apple meme was good: "Think different*" *until we don't like your thoughts.

When people make the justification that these are private companies and can do what they wish, that would be fine IF voices didn't target the infrastructure of the internet as well.
AWS is used everywhere, it is even used to power Netflix whilst Amazon has a competing video platform.

If people still see Gab or Parler somewhere after the apps are taken down and big hosting providers cancel them, they go after ICANN, ISPS etc.

It is totally ridiculous if the material posted is not illegal. Isis posted killings and propaganda on Twitter and on Youtube. Should they also be deplatformed, or are they for some reason too big and too inconvenient to lose?

Furthermore I bet most people don't even know that Parler actually followed some form of authentication with a phone number whilst you only ever needed an anonymous email address and can just sign up like trolling egg on Twitter.


legendary
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yes
Meanwhile, new bear attack. Looking forward reading what the experts think of all this.
legendary
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We choose to go to the moon
If Amazon decides not to deal anymore with Parler, that is fine by me.

What keeps them from running their own infrastructure?

Mind you, not only Amazon kicked them off their infrastructure, but at the same time Apple and Google removed their mobile app.
Feels very centralized and coordinated.
hero member
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Decentralize everything
Grayscale have opened up investments into their crypto trusts again (except ETH for some reason):

Quote
As of the time of writing, products such as the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust and the Grayscale Digital Large Cap Fund Trust are all available for new investors, although the Grayscale Ethereum Trust remains unavailable. The Grayscale XRP Trust is inactive, and will likely remain so.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/grayscale-reopens-crypto-trusts-for-investment-as-bitcoin-price-climbs
hero member
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I do not really get this discussion about censorship. I don't see any censorship here, I see (rather large) companies exercising their contractual freedom in highly centralized environment. I'll admit that these times there is a narrowly defined narrative what is the right thing to say and think and often companies trying to avoid customer unhappiness in form of a shitstorm tend to follow that narrative to please their customer/user base.

But since you are basically unheard/invisible if you're not on Twitter (anymore) it is a form of censorship nonetheless nowadays. It is somehow ironic how many BTC-enthusiasts actually use Twitter and not something like mastodon. Decentralization does not only fix the monetary system, it would also fix social networks and energy production etc.. Email for example is decentralized, gmail might kick you, but then you can use hotmail (or go straight to protonmail if you're one of the brighter candles on the cake) or even register your own domain and run it from your living room on a rpi.

If Amazon decides not to deal anymore with Parler, that is fine by me. If Jack Dorsey thinks the orange nutjob is not worth the trouble anymore, that's his decision. People unhappy with that or missing the wisdom of Donnie should vote with their feet/d and use another company for their needs.
What keeps them from running their own infrastructure? Mind you, that was actually the thought behind the internet, being decentralized and everybody being able to run a service on their own computers.

One addition to the above, I might have left the impression that you and I are customers of Twitter or Parler or Facebook, that is not what I meant. We are in fact a supplier, we deliver the product that Facebook sells to advertisers, governments and aliens (basically everbody who pays for it). In turn we are paid for our generous delivery (you'd be astonished what the data about you - your data is worth to them) with "free" services that we can use. This bargain seems obviously too good for most of us to take care and take things into our own hands (i.e. using open standards like Jabber) and run our own services or use easily exchangeable small service providers that offer that to us for a small fee.


Anything that is removed, is by definition, censorship, whatever the motivation for removing it. Even if there are 100 twitters, if the industry as a whole deletes posts of a certain type, it has the same effect as mass censorship.

To ensure we remain a free society, censorship must be fought whatever the form. Even if that form is the profit seeking of media companies.

There is just too much temptation for political corruption and manipulation of opinions by deciding what gets removed and what remains. Only laws should determine that because laws are voted on by our representatives and can't as easily be manipulated as an employee making a biased decision about a post.
sr. member
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Hey, this is Trump's chance to pardon cop killers.  What's not to like?

like Clinton pardoned the bomber of the capitol? I think not. But that's the problem. Some of you thought really, that you lived for 4 years in a facist dictatorship and finally you voted the dictator out of  the office. I lived in a country with a dictatorship. Let me tell you this. "You don't vote a facist dictator out of the office". So You thought really that Trump will pardon a cop killer. I am sure that you believe this with you heart like other believe they lived in a facist dictatorship the last 4 years.
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 good old days but I think we can not compare these two different realities
sr. member
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Tulsi Gabbard (D) is someone that everyone could have rallied around . She is all about common sense.

In this interview she tells how there are very few moderates left in the Democratic party. She is awesome. Have a listen to what she says about the corruption in DC.

Ex-Congresswoman Exposes the Reality of the DNC & Govt. | Tulsi Gabbard | POLITICS | Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3j3RSxMSEg

And she rosted Harris like hell in the presidential debate. Sadly Harris will be your next president für 3 1/2 year or so.
sr. member
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I am sure that the division will continue under Biden, Trump voters feel cheated of their victory and do not accept the new president. You can see even here how deluded some people are.

Just like Hillary voters felt cheated of their victory and decided not to accept the result...

Man, yeah, those 2016 riots. Such a tragic loss of so many lives.

I have the feeling that some of you forgot about the riots earlier this year. Where people died and buildings burned down. But these were mostly peaceful protest and to make the assumtion that all BLM protestors are responsible for these riots and death is not okay. BUT when its come to the "Trump supporters" then they all equal and are all responsible. Maybe the ones who vote for him too. Yes the voters of Trump are responsible too. That's hypocrite. And btw the leader of BLM call explicit for more violence on twitter if I remember correctly.

I read here that all Trumps supporters are responsible for the roits and how can you defend them. Then I ask. "all BLM Supportes are responsible for the riots, how can you defend them? Or at least be silent". This is stupid. I my opinion you are responsible for your self for your actions. If you do bad things, you belong to jail. If I like someone, I am not responsible for the action of other, who like him too. This is midevil.

rioters are rioters. They must be convicted and go to jail. But some rioters are more equal. Because I read 90 of 1xx antifa rioters where not convicted at all. But maybe here we get the same outcome. Some of them will be convicted, because they are criminals and are responsible for the death of people. Some are not. We will see.

Sorry. I am a little tired of this discussion. I see this all on twitter the whole day long. I am even not a citizen at all. We will see, what the next 4 years bring to the rest of the world. I fear, that war is comming again. So even if you hate Trump to the bones, at least he didn't start a new war and you can ignore the rest of his achievements.

But overall I like this thread. At least you didn't go each other agains the throat. Cheesy And block each other. Because we have all something in common here and this is the bitcoin, its price and getting rich as hell to be not part of this crazy world and its problems any more. Buy an island and let the rest do what ever they want to do ... Cheesy
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