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legendary
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精神分析的爸
Honestly, if you need transactions to clear really quickly I'd suggest using litecoin at this point.

Yes, it's a shitcoin, but if you've got a hooker in your room, she's done her job, and you want her gone (that's why you pay hookers: To leave) a 2.5 minute confirmation time is of high value. Right now standing around for 30 minutes doing idle chitshat is not worth any amount in fees :-)

Bitcoin transfers are instant.

Care to elaborate? Or are you just trying to grind lightfoots gears?
legendary
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Honestly, if you need transactions to clear really quickly I'd suggest using litecoin at this point.

Yes, it's a shitcoin, but if you've got a hooker in your room, she's done her job, and you want her gone (that's why you pay hookers: To leave) a 2.5 minute confirmation time is of high value. Right now standing around for 30 minutes doing idle chitshat is not worth any amount in fees :-)

Bitcoin transfers are instant.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
I remember some of you guys used to grin a lot... How's your sh!tcoin doing?



18 Months In, Few People Use, Mine or Buy Privacy Coin Grin

https://www.coindesk.com/18-months-few-people-use-mine-buy-privacy-coin-cryptocurrency-grin

Not sure why you are so up in arms because of a $20-30mil market cap alt.
Nobody really bought it, but you could have mined it on a video card, which is not really possible with other coins.
It's too difficult to use, hence it is mostly a developer toy. Plus, it has high inflation in a first few years as supply is growing linearly (at around 63 mil/year).
Not really anonymous, either.



Yeah.  People do not understand that the innovation in MimbleWimble is not the "privacy", but the potential for scaling with a lightweight blockchain.  I think that is why so many bitcoin talk OGs were interested.

But it is unproven tech, and  Grin is the proving ground for better or worse.

It's economics are also interesting.  And in some ways obviously not designed for competition with BTC.  I have never mined, nor bought a single pip of Grin, myself.

I find people's obsession with alts failing to be a telling thing about someone's security when it comes to Bitcoin's place as the lindy project with network effect.

In the end we HAVE to do the experiments.

Some coin HAS to try to be a world computer and do all calc on chain. (ETH)
Some coin HAS to have no blocksize limit and store all kinds of data on chain and centralize. (BSV)
Some coin has to have inflationary monetary policy. (Doge?)
Some project has to have an opaque base layer, and be capable of truly private use. (Monero?)
ETC ETC ETC
Grin gets to try to prove out mimblewimble.

And then there are all the projects that have no purpose because they try to compromise on one or more of those aspects in the name of "moderation" (BCH?).  

We simply cannot live in a world where BITCOIN exists as an open source distributed ledger tech attempting to become money where competing forks and copycat software does not exist.  Can't have both of those things.

It sucks for those of us old enough to have less life left to live as this stuff works itself out... but it has to work itself out.

My bet is on Bitcoin.  (Well, and I do keep a Monero side bet so to speak...  I just list that here to make JJG froth)
legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
Honestly, if you need transactions to clear really quickly I'd suggest using litecoin at this point.

Yes, it's a shitcoin, but if you've got a hooker in your room, she's done her job, and you want her gone (that's why you pay hookers: To leave) a 2.5 minute confirmation time is of high value. Right now standing around for 30 minutes doing idle chitshat is not worth any amount in fees :-)

legendary
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Ibian does not seem to "get it". There is no magic wand to wave over bitcoin to get what you want or "deserve".
When did I ever say anything of the sort?
legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?

? The only supply and demand involved is demand for space in each block. The supply of space is fixed, at 1MB. It doesn't matter if there is one miner or one billion, or what the hash rate of the network is. The only thing that sets fees is how much people are willing to pay to get into a block. When demand is low, fees are low, and visa-versa.

Right. Also the more miners, the greater the difficulty and the less profit per miner anyway. It's a pure queen's race and the perfect example of a perfect marketplace. Has no bearing on fees beyond a 2 week difficulty adjustment period.

Ibian does not seem to "get it". There is no magic wand to wave over bitcoin to get what you want or "deserve". That's part of the reason why I like it: The rules are pretty solid.
legendary
Activity: 2268
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Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?

? The only supply and demand involved is demand for space in each block. The supply of space is fixed, at 1MB. It doesn't matter if there is one miner or one billion, or what the hash rate of the network is. The only thing that sets fees is how much people are willing to pay to get into a block. When demand is low, fees are low, and visa-versa.
The miners compete for solved blocks and fees. The more miners, the less each of them gain and the less each of them have the ability to manipulate the market as a whole.

Also it's 2MB. Remember? We had that whole civil war on the best way to increase the size?


You mean by mining empty blocks to artificially increase demand for block space? Admittedly I have not looked for a while, but does that still happen? The only time when the mempool is full that I see empty blocks is if one is mined immediately after another one.

And technically it's still 1MB in the code, we just don't have to include all of the transaction data we used to, so we can squish more in.
Someone explained how mining empty blocks work recently. I don't know much about all the little tricks they can use, but basically it's a gamble. It doesn't always work and when it doesn't that's mining power out the window.
legendary
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yes
In my view, price is creeping up again, ready to blow higher with leaps.

The current stability is good. Feeds the rocket.
legendary
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All good things to those who wait
My mind is telling me not to expect much of the price in the coming days, but I have a gut feeling that there's something brewing. A calm before the storm? The price is stabilizing around $9700 refusing to go up or down. May be this is a sign that the bulls are preparing to charge the $10K resistance like a red flag and level up 1K and more?



And I wonder what the $4.5 billion tethers printed since March 30th and May 14th are waiting for? If only 1/3 of this amount is used for bitcoins, a price above $14K is definitely possible this year.

legendary
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精神分析的爸
BOOOYYYYYYZZZZZZZ  Cool Cool Cool Cool
Just saw i can wear my hat again!
Hold my beer...

Welcome back Max Headroom Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 541
Merit: 362
Rules not Rulers
Good morning Bitcoinland.

More of the same: up, down, and ending up sideways... currently $9769USD/$13562CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Yawn. Stronger coffee please.

looking at that chart, can't I see a similar "Elusive Golden Cross" a few months ago? Immediately afterwards bitcoin fell of a fucking cliff.

yea, because TA cannot predict real life events, like the virus or the price of Bitcoin

ftfy


 Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 541
Merit: 362
Rules not Rulers
Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?

? The only supply and demand involved is demand for space in each block. The supply of space is fixed, at 1MB. It doesn't matter if there is one miner or one billion, or what the hash rate of the network is. The only thing that sets fees is how much people are willing to pay to get into a block. When demand is low, fees are low, and visa-versa.
The miners compete for solved blocks and fees. The more miners, the less each of them gain and the less each of them have the ability to manipulate the market as a whole.

Also it's 2MB. Remember? We had that whole civil war on the best way to increase the size?


You mean by mining empty blocks to artificially increase demand for block space? Admittedly I have not looked for a while, but does that still happen? The only time when the mempool is full that I see empty blocks is if one is mined immediately after another one.

And technically it's still 1MB in the code, we just don't have to include all of the transaction data we used to, so we can squish more in.
legendary
Activity: 4242
Merit: 5039
You're never too old to think young.
Good morning Bitcoinland.

More of the same: up, down, and ending up sideways... currently $9769USD/$13562CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Yawn. Stronger coffee please.

looking at that chart, can't I see a similar "Elusive Golden Cross" a few months ago? Immediately afterwards bitcoin fell of a fucking cliff.

yea, because TA cannot predict real life events, like the virus or the price of Bitcoin

ftfy
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?

? The only supply and demand involved is demand for space in each block. The supply of space is fixed, at 1MB. It doesn't matter if there is one miner or one billion, or what the hash rate of the network is. The only thing that sets fees is how much people are willing to pay to get into a block. When demand is low, fees are low, and visa-versa.
The miners compete for solved blocks and fees. The more miners, the less each of them gain and the less each of them have the ability to manipulate the market as a whole.

Also it's 2MB. Remember? We had that whole civil war on the best way to increase the size?
sr. member
Activity: 541
Merit: 362
Rules not Rulers
Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?

? The only supply and demand involved is demand for space in each block. The supply of space is fixed, at 1MB. It doesn't matter if there is one miner or one billion, or what the hash rate of the network is. The only thing that sets fees is how much people are willing to pay to get into a block. When demand is low, fees are low, and visa-versa.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
Why would having more miners make any difference in fees. Any miner will mine the highest value transactions, that's just like saying wheels will fall into potholes.

*shakes head*
uh... supply and demand?
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
A sidenote: I personally believe that there is some validity in ESP, don't know how to explain it from a scientific view point, let's leave it at that.
Superstition is probably genetic. Even someone like Jung believed in synchronicity. We see patterns where there are none, that's all it is.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
BOOOYYYYYYZZZZZZZ  Cool Cool Cool Cool
Just saw i can wear my hat again!
Hold my beer...
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 3439
Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Wow, sorry to hear this, kind of drastic, but, bro, any amount of btc is good as long as your mind is on a right track as a bitcoiner.

WAaaaaa!!!
WTF happened  Huh

So sorry VB. Cry

Correct, a drastic measure, but of an indirect unforeseen, not generated by me.
These are strange and difficult times for everyone including family and friends.
I am sure many of you would have acted the same.

Shit dude, i'm sorry for your loss.
Take my last sMerit.

legendary
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Merit: 4839
Addicted to HoDLing!
however as much as i believe bitcoin is the future of money/wealth/store of value/whatever you want to call it i do live in the present. and i do realize that my "plan," while it has worked in the past, may need drastic revision at any point.

never stop learning.

Fair enough.  If all of a sudden, some very large and unanticipated expense rolled into your door.. you might have to say fuck.  And, you might have liquidate a decently large portion of your bitcoin's even though it was either last or towards the end of you liquidation list.

Nice for us to have those kinds of options, even though they do not necessarily resolve all issues that might end up coming in our direction.. including some major issues that could undermine our bitcoin stash, too..

I am in a similar situation to the one you describe and probably the solution is to sell BTC, this is the true magic of Bitcoin, the alarm light of the Fiat reserves has gone on, according to my plan, I cannot face the unforeseen and continue decapitalizing me, BTC will save my ass like other times.

No need to comment on the reason for this decision, we have enough shit in this 2020
As soon as I can recover financially, I will start buying again
Nothing changes, the same VB1, Bull, StrongHat, but practically with 0 BTC

Man, sorry to hear that VB...

Well, at least it was need, and not fear, that made you sell. After all, there are much more important things in life than even Bitcoin... In the end, it's just a tool, a means to realise our wants and needs. And if there's a great need for something very important, you use your fiat/BTC/whatever you have...

Just keep accumulating. I strongly believe that in a few years' time, having even one (1) BTC will be enough to set you up for life.
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