Dharma.io is a thing in it ..... ??
The one on Eth is vaporware.
Show him this:
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/56207/bzx-attacked-again-645k-in-eth-estimated-to-be-lost
He always do like to listen to Ivon on Tech .... and they where talking about "decentralized finance"
He was a bit impressed and wondering what it exactly was and if its worth any time...
I don't think any of these guys know in 1994 Nick Szabo thought up smart contracts and it wasn't something vitalik came up with.
One day I expect ETH will burn when all the lies become evident to those that didn't DYOR.