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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 8658. (Read 26723496 times)

legendary
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Self made HODLER ✓

Thanks for the reply. As you said, a nice, round $1 million would be more than enough for most people in most countries. I believe the "classic" 21 BTC is a good amount to have, which makes the above goal almost a certainty. As for me, my stash has increased since that post of mine that you've quoted, but still in double digits (*), so I guess I still have some way to go before I can consider myself financially independent, whatever that may mean to each one of us. I can safely say, however, that if when BTC/USD reaches or exceeds $100k, my personal goal (not necessarily the one stated above) will have been reached by a good margin.

(*) The above is purely hypothetical, I forgot my passphrase, all coins gone, now only have what's left in my Kraken account (around 1000 Doge I think)...

As of currently, your purely hypothetical and approximate schrodinger stash seems to be pretty healthy to me. Maybe you are not "already there" but it is within the reasonable expectations that you end up "making it" if we are patient and a bit lucky... and are able to recover the private keys when the time comes.

See? Today you (we all) are one step closer: $9157 Smiley
legendary
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This is good, I like this! Happy Sunday (or Saturday night depending on where you are)
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legendary
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Time for the bears to take down the decor and hand in the keys. It's over, you furry sacks of fat.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
legendary
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Getting primed for over 9k$ btc

Already reached $9.1K...
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
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9k HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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Sorry guys this evening is turning into a drunk-fest...... with another lovely couple .....

Can’t speak BTC anymore this evening focus is based elsewhere

Speak you fellas tomorrow

Cheers and enjoy Saturday for this moment!

The only liquid my body can take in...



Hahahah, jk, have fun mate!
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Video shows garbage being dumped into a river (supposedly in ecuador), which seems to me to be one of the reasons why governments are needed.

Nah..
The guy would just get his ass beat and thrown in the river..


There seems to be a lot of assumptions in your speculated assertion regarding what would happen to such a guy who is dumping a garbage truck into the river in a hypothesized non-governmental world.  




Video shows garbage being dumped into a river (supposedly in ecuador), which seems to me to be one of the reasons why governments are needed.

Because the president there managed to stop this you mean? Looks like the constitution didn't stop anything  Huh
This wouldn't be an argument for the need of government, but clearly the failure of such systems.

I figured that some folks might want to argue the other side, and it is possible that we might not have enough facts.  Nonetheless, there is a bit of a problem with any volunteerist societal arrangement is that individuals will sometimes act in ways that put the cost of their behaviors onto someone else or the system.  


Edit:
AYH... by the way.. as I type.  (you are welcome, jojo)...   $9,119.50 observed;... and still going...perhaps?
legendary
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Sorry guys this evening is turning into a drunk-fest...... with another lovely couple .....

Can’t speak BTC anymore this evening focus is based elsewhere

Speak you fellas tomorrow

Cheers and enjoy Saturday for this moment!

 What?!  There's something other than Bitcoin? 
       
legendary
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It's all mathematics...!
Getting primed for over 9k$ btc
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Video shows garbage being dumped into a river (supposedly in ecuador), which seems to me to be one of the reasons why governments are needed.

Because the president there managed to stop this you mean? Looks like the constitution didn't stop anything  Huh
This wouldn't be an argument for the need of government, but clearly the failure of such systems.
legendary
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BTC + Crossfit, living life.
Sorry guys this evening is turning into a drunk-fest...... with another lovely couple .....

Can’t speak BTC anymore this evening focus is based elsewhere

Speak you fellas tomorrow

Cheers and enjoy Saturday for this moment!
legendary
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I dont understand what fight bears are fighting? We will pass $9k so why not just let it happen?

Because up-and-down-and-up-and-down make traders rich?

Until it brakes and makes traders poorer than before!
legendary
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BTC or BUST

Video shows garbage being dumped into a river (supposedly in ecuador), which seems to me to be one of the reasons why governments are needed.

Nah..
The guy would just get his ass beat and thrown in the river..
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
heck, we can do better...a WO wonderful hatcoin (WOW or WOH).

The number of coins is limited to xhomerix -issued (he is the treasurer).
Should be no more than 100-150 so far, a few more later. This is a strict one hat-one token situation (collectible).
Or, maybe one hat gives you 10-100 coins so it is somewhat more liquid, so you can give your heroes a coin or two.
Could be a sidechain if we don't want ERC-something.

69 coins divisible 69 decimal places.  What's wrong with the liquidity of that?  Not that anyone will ever own a whole coin.. instead fractions of a coin.. .. and gosh.. fungibility would be a bit fucked up, because presumably each coin has some kind of collectible hat-based WO history...    Like any bitcoin-imitation wannabe get rich from scarcity, it is bound to have a variety of scammy seeming issues, including issuance and distribution and butt-hurtedness of late-comers.
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legendary
Activity: 3962
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
It won't go to $400K you delusional fools!

If someone really needs $400K to be rich... you are doing it wrong and it is more Bitcoin what you need so that you can reach your goals with a much lower price.

Fools.

Aiai..... bitserve.... the word “never” is just to strong to use though I do agree on trying to gain as much BTC as possible

I don't think I used the word "never"... but yeah, my main point is exactly that. Price alone won't make anyone rich if he doesn't have enough stake in the game in first instance. Never.

And I only made a "bet" that I would be perfectly glad to "lose". IF. Wink

I see your point and I agree, except that the current price may be too high for a newcomer to be able to accumulate "enough stake" in the game to achieve financial independence at a much lower price...

Out of curiosity, what amount would you (or other fellow WOs) consider a healthy stash that one should have in order to realistically achieve financial independence? I know that it depends on country of residence, lifestyle, etc., but would love to hear your opinions on this.

If you are just getting into bitcoin, you do not have any choice.

You have to buy at today's prices, figure out your strategy and tailor your accumulating approach to your own circumstances.  Accumulation takes time, so even though in 2013, I might have been hesitant to say that you have to look ahead beyond 2 years, I think that these days, bitcoin is much more of an established investment in which you can plan to stay in a minimum of 4 years, but really 4-6 years is a prudent starting point.  If you are just getting in, you should not be expecting to retire in 4-6 years, but instead maybe be in a lot better position 4-6 years down the road to reassess what to do based on the BTC accumulation strategy that you have been following for the previous 4-6 years, which would likely including DCA, buying on dips, possible front loading and researching and tweaking your plans and system along the way.

Each person sets his/her targets in accordance with his own situation.  A new person who comes in at 50 years old and an already decently established investment portfolio is going to chose how to allocate differently than someone who is just graduating high school and maybe living on their own for the first time, whether that is at 16 years old or 18 years old or 21 years old or whatever age it is that someone might be first establishing his/her investment strategies, including probably considering that college is part of the plan or whatever younger person early life plans are part of the expenses and investments.

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As a final note I think I can give you the following great advise: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19097436

IOW, I don't think you really need any additional advise from me.

Great for you, bitserve, to point out that thread with AlcoHoDL's own words. 

Even though AlcoHoDL was somewhat insightful in putting in a pretty decent chunk of investment in to BTC during an extended down period, the more important thing in his two posts in that thread seems to be that he identified a variety of long term fundamentals of bitcoin (at least reasons that he wanted to be "into" bitcoin), and that he had considered that his timeline for investment was at least 10 years (which is actually longer than the 4-6 year minimum that I am suggesting in my above response). 

So yeah 10 years does seem like a more reasonable investment timeline than 4-6 years, and so even though I was attempting to grant more shorter term flexibility and options, there remains a lot of wisdom if anyone who is just coming in allows for both the investing of money that can be afforded to lose and allowing the investment to play out for 10 years.. and might not even be as important concerning when the investor bought (top, middle, or bottom of the cycle) but just the fact that the investor is letting the whole matter ride for 10 years from the time of the investment... By the way, these kinds of long term allowances is one of the presumptions of the values of DCA investing also.
legendary
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Once we get going make sure you reference the MRV-Z and Puell multiple to assess the top  Wink

Because, you know, we will be the only ones doing that, so it will work for sure.

Guess we'll see, but I don't think the number of people using the indicators will affect their usefulness. 
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